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223 AI
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What the hell.....
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[bleep] it: 30-06: ![[Linked Image]](http://i1180.photobucket.com/albums/x401/chiefbsa/IMG_0275_zpsglfipjjb.jpg) 338 win mag: ![[Linked Image]](http://i1180.photobucket.com/albums/x401/chiefbsa/DSC00152_zpsopr943d5.jpg) You were talking elk hunting right??? 
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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Here is a practical man.^^^^ I salute you sir. 
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.22 LR ![[Linked Image]](http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk220/jds44/CZ452-22_zps5yefhjoh.jpg) .308 Winchester ![[Linked Image]](http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk220/jds44/20151127_065358_zpsdqcxmnpi.jpg)
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Anybody who seriously concerns themselves with the adequacy of a Big 7mm for anything we hunt here short of brown bear, is a dufus. They are mostly making shidt up. Crunch! Nite-nite!
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The 280 Remington is overbore.
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22 lr
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I'd rather have a 12-gauge 870 and a .300 Winchester than anything, but if I had to stick to rifles, I'd say my .300 and .22-250, just because I don't see me hunting anything larger than moose in the next few years!
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Depends on where you live/hunt. For here, a .22 and almost anything else from .243 up.
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.257 Roberts and .35 Whelen.
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u need 3 a shotgun a 22lr and a 30-06
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How about 5.56 and 7.62 NATOs?
Takes care of Many practical needs.
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.300 H&H & .375 H&H. So many choices. 
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Wylde-chambered AR and .338WM if you don't load; .375 Ruger if you do.
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How about 5.56 and 7.62 NATOs?
Takes care of Many practical needs. There's that practicality again. Good call.
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Screw you! I'm voting for Trump again!
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223 and 30-06 would work for me.
But that is boring and I'd never be down to only 2 weapons.
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The thing always missing from these 2 or 3 rifle battery threads is that no one ever says...."for what"?
The 280 Remington is overbore.
The 7 Rem Mag is over bore.
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This, unless the .22lr is a given then if we are talkin 2 centerfire rifles it would be .223 Rem .300 Win.........................Hb
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The thing always missing from these 2 or 3 rifle battery threads is that no one ever says...."for what"? Paper to Elk, <500
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The thing always missing from these 2 or 3 rifle battery threads is that no one ever says...."for what"? Paper to Elk, <500 In that case, I'd like to change mine to... .17hmr and .223AI
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And I'd say CF since RF is pretty much a staple.
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That was Jack O'Connor's choice for a two-gun battery, and it still rings true 50 years later.
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The thing always missing from these 2 or 3 rifle battery threads is that no one ever says...."for what"? Paper to Elk, <500 That's easy...223 and a 7 Rem mag.  Or substitute any one of two dozen comparable and overlapping, duplicitous cartridges in the same power range of the 7 RM.
The 280 Remington is overbore.
The 7 Rem Mag is over bore.
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How about 5.56 and 7.62 NATOs?
Takes care of Many practical needs. There's that practicality again. Good call. Or this.
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Thomas Jefferson
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Easy.
I'd go 223 and 308.
Factory ammo is everywhere with lots of choices.
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And I'd say CF since RF is pretty much a staple. If we're taking rimfire as a given, I'm changing my answer to .223 and .308.
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It depends on a lot of stuff. Heck, I owned just a 30-06 for years, and it worked fine. I even hunted groundhog with it. You have to remember, I'm an Ohio Valley deer hunter. My 'ought-sixes have taken whitetail, coyote, groundhog, boar, and one very unlucky chipmunk. The latter was only confirmed by blood splatter.
The '06 can cover a lot of ground. 55 Accelerator can knock a Coyote at 200 yards. 180 grainers will down a moose.
Dangerous game? If I was going to hunt really dangerous big stuff in NA, I'd go with 35 Whelen on the top end, the chances of me doing this are nil, and the idea of a 2 gun battery would probably be out the window anyway.
Groundhog? Out to 50 yards, I'm cool with 22 LR for the second rifle. Beyond that, I'm using the 30-06 or 25-06
Coyote? If I'm doing more than 150 yards on a dog, I'd not use .223 REM. I've got a 25-06. However, I've also nailed them right fine with 30-06 and 165 grainers while deer hunting out to 250 yards.
Therefore assuming NA-only, and anything less than the biggest bears, I'd go with 30-06 and .22 LR.
YMMV
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.300 H&H & .375 H&H. So many choices. Any big game hunting in the world.
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7-08 and .338 Win Mag.
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256 Newton , 338 win mag.
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Rimfire / centerfire 22LR and 7x57
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This ^^^^ And then throw in a 12ga for good measure...
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Montana centerfire:
257 Rob, 270 Win
World centerfire:
270 Win, 375 H&H
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the battery must be ready for situations that will never occur
“Perfection is achieved not when there is nothing more to add, but when there is nothing left to take away”.
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the battery must be ready for situations that will never occur
No relationship to reality.
“Perfection is achieved not when there is nothing more to add, but when there is nothing left to take away”.
Antoine de Saint-Exupery. Posted by Brad.
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"There's more to optics than meets the eye."--anon
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BobinNH
the battery must be ready for situations that will never occur
No relationship to reality. RinB: I understand.....but i will never be without a 375 H&H.
The 280 Remington is overbore.
The 7 Rem Mag is over bore.
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16bore eventually refined the search to everything from paper to elk, under 500 yards.
I could get by with my Sauer drilling, a 16x16/6.5x57R. The 6.5x57R provides very similar ballistics to the 6.5x55, and I also have an 8" .22 Magnum insert for the right-hand shotgun barrel, which groups well enough at 50 yards to take any sort of small game. And I wouldn't even have to add a shotgun!
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I actually hope I never have to make that type of decision. I can't decide when it is just a question on the fire.
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The thing always missing from these 2 or 3 rifle battery threads is that no one ever says...."for what"? Paper to Elk, <500 Then my 270/280 & 9.3X62 becomes an 8T .24 and a 7 Rem.
Anybody who seriously concerns themselves with the adequacy of a Big 7mm for anything we hunt here short of brown bear, is a dufus. They are mostly making shidt up. Crunch! Nite-nite!
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The thing always missing from these 2 or 3 rifle battery threads is that no one ever says...."for what"? Paper to Elk, <500 Do you really need two for this? How about just picking a rifle you like first and then make sure it is chambered for a cartridge between .243 and .300 Mag that will expand bullets at 500 yards. If you need two, buy a second just like the first as a spare.
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Given the parameters:
223
30-06
I wouldn't mind a 243 in the light spot either.
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In 1996 when I moved here, that's what I had, a Ruger 77 Mk II SS .338 and a heavy barreled Ruger 77 VT .25-'06. I changed because the volume of shooting for varmints went up. With a .17 HMR which didn't exist back then covering a lot of that additional volume I could go back without any trouble. Tom
Anyone who thinks there's two sides to everything hasn't met a M�bius strip.
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The thing always missing from these 2 or 3 rifle battery threads is that no one ever says...."for what"? Paper to Elk, <500 Do you really need two for this? How about just picking a rifle you like first and then make sure it is chambered for a cartridge between .243 and .300 Mag that will expand bullets at 500 yards. If you need two, buy a second just like the first as a spare. Kinda started off as being silly with the "3 rifle battery" thread. Boredom if you will. However, the appeal of a baby rifle and a thumper with similar BC's and velocity is appealing for wind education. Is it likely to happen? The world may never know.....
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222 and 400 Whelen.
222 for all varmints and fur and load reduced load cast bullets for rimfire applications.
400 Whelen for everything else in the world.
Chronographs, bore scopes and pattern boards have broke a lot of hearts.
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For my big game hunting I am very quickly settling down to just using my .308s and .300WMs.
Quite frankly though, the older I get and the less and less time I have to fiddle with stuff, the more I think just using (centerfires) .223, .308, and .300WM for everything makes sense.
Then I play with a 6.5 and it all goes out the window..
THE CHAIR IS AGAINST THE WALL. The Tikka T3 in .308 Winchester is the Glock 19 of the rifle world. The website is up and running!www.lostriverammocompany.com
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These two will work for anything I do, 243 and 270. ![[Linked Image]](http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e78/montanasam/A%202015/Spring%202015%20002_2.jpg)
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Sam, the 243 just needs to be a Rob.
“Perfection is Achieved Not When There Is Nothing More to Add, But When There Is Nothing Left to Take Away” Antoine de Saint-Exupery
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Brad, there is a Roberts in the safe as well!
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These two will work for anything I do, 243 and 270. Good choice, Sam. Can't argue with that pair.
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Experience hath shewn, that even under the best forms of government those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny.
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Start young, hunt hard, and enjoy God's bounty.
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These two will work for anything I do, 243 and 270. If those were 223 and 308, I'd say you had the two rifle battery dialed in.
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John Stark.
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I suspect that when most guys list a cartridge they actually picture a specific rifle in their minds.
For me, a Sako L461 which happens to be a .222 would fill the light rifle spot. Would be happy with this rifle chambered in any cartridge it would handle. .222/.223/.17Rem.
On the heavier end, I could use practically anything .24 cal or larger. Today I'd likely go with my Redneck built Model 70 featherweight in 25-06.
While recognizing that the various 6.5s will always be handicapped by the need to special order loading components and/or ammo, I'd also be happy with this rifle if rebarreled as a swede or .270.
OTOH, the heavier slot might also be easily filled with a short action rifle. I have both a model 70 featherweight in .243, and one of the MRC X2 1/8 .260s. The MRC hasn't even had a scope mounted or the first round loaded for it yet.
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To be honest, when I was 19 I had a 10/22 Carbine and a "Centurion 98" 30-06(Mauser sporter by Century Arms) in a Butler Creek plastic stock. Both were wearing Weaver Classic(K4 and V9 respectively) scopes and I honestly did not know that I needed anything else...
Loaned out my 30-06 and didn't get it back(not the guy's fault and he made it up to me) when I was 28. Bought a CZ550 Premium in 270 and STILL didn't think I needed anything else...
Then I decided to get a Savage 99 a few years ago as I had always thought they were cool, then I decided to get that .300 Win Mag I wanted when I was a kid, then by some miracle my old 30'06 found its way home(turns out it had been locked up in a police evidence locker for years with no charges ever filed, got a phone call out of nowhere asking if I was ever going to pick up my rifle or should they dispose of it), then...I've found once you get past that "2 Rifle Battery" it's a VERY slippery slope.
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Brad, there is a Roberts in the safe as well! I remember Sam... it's lonely Will say though, I've always thought a 243 and 270 the finest, practical, two-rifle pairing for Montana. I just happen to be a Rbt's nut.
“Perfection is Achieved Not When There Is Nothing More to Add, But When There Is Nothing Left to Take Away” Antoine de Saint-Exupery
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I shudder at the thought...but if I had to:
22LR
.300WSM
Mercy ceases to be a virtue when it enables further injustice. -Brent Weeks
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30-06 and
375 Ruger Alaskan, because my wife bought it for me on our #1 wedding anniversary, and it plays hell on whitetails and elk
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#1- 22long rifle
#2 - a medium bore(.338 up),relatively high velocity, that when hand loaded up or down can be used for any situation. Also,can use cast bullets(adequate bore dia.) for hunting purposes. memtb
You should not use a rifle that will kill an animal when everything goes right; you should use one that will do the job when everything goes wrong." -Bob Hagel
“I’d like to be a good rifleman…..but, I prefer to be a good hunter”! memtb 2024
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For my big game hunting I am very quickly settling down to just using my .308s and .300WMs.
Quite frankly though, the older I get and the less and less time I have to fiddle with stuff, the more I think just using (centerfires) .223, .308, and .300WM for everything makes sense.
Then I play with a 6.5 and it all goes out the window.. We think a lot the same. I thought my .308 world was perfect and now have 2-.260 projects. I wouldn't want to but a .22LR and 30-06 would serve well.
Good Shooting!
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257 Roberts and a 30-06
That would work.
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My three rifle battery was a 22LR, 35 Remington and a 30/06. If I've got to drop one, it would have to be the 35 Remington just because I might get a long shot in a few locations I hunt. The 30/06 will work up close, but past 150 yards I don't want to use my 35 Remington.
So : 22LR and 30/06
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A light 260 and a handy 338WM for all of N.A.
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Why does a man who is 50 pounds overweight complain about a 10 pound rifle being too heavy?
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These two will work for anything I do, 243 and 270. My pair is a .257 Roberts and a .280AI. Tom
Anyone who thinks there's two sides to everything hasn't met a M�bius strip.
Here be dragons ...
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.257 Roberts, and 9.3x62. Seem to have a pair of each kickin around.. And I wouldn't hafta wrestle the Missus for a 9.3..
But I would anyway.
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