|
Joined: Oct 2009
Posts: 1,784
Campfire Regular
|
OP
Campfire Regular
Joined: Oct 2009
Posts: 1,784 |
A friend of mine shot my CZ452 American and really liked it. Today I got a text from him and he is wanting to purchase his first gun. His budget is limited to $2-300. I have mentioned of course the CZ 452/455. I know he will not change barrels ever, so a 452 makes more sense (though harder to get). He is also not a loony yet, so I think a trainer may be the best best as far as staying with CZ. No plans for competing or hunting, just plain plinking and fun. I have heard really good things about the Mark II, Ruger Rimfires, Marlin... as fun as it is to spend someone else's money, maxing out at $300 doesn't give a lot of options for a new CZ. Specially if looking to get scope and rings. Am I wrong to think a Savage MarkII will get him in the game?
|
|
|
|
Joined: Aug 2007
Posts: 115,424
Campfire Sage
|
Campfire Sage
Joined: Aug 2007
Posts: 115,424 |
Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
|
|
|
|
Joined: Oct 2009
Posts: 1,784
Campfire Regular
|
OP
Campfire Regular
Joined: Oct 2009
Posts: 1,784 |
|
|
|
|
Joined: Aug 2007
Posts: 115,424
Campfire Sage
|
Campfire Sage
Joined: Aug 2007
Posts: 115,424 |
Sorry. The Ruger.
I would vote CZ but finding one at that price could take a while.
Travis
Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
|
|
|
|
Joined: Oct 2009
Posts: 1,784
Campfire Regular
|
OP
Campfire Regular
Joined: Oct 2009
Posts: 1,784 |
Yes, that's my concern... On the bright side I got my DIP 25MOA rail and some 30mm Weaver QD meds on the mail this week.
Will put 6MQ atop my maple stocked 452 this weekend hopefully.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Aug 2003
Posts: 19,822
Campfire Ranger
|
Campfire Ranger
Joined: Aug 2003
Posts: 19,822 |
Pablo, Tell him to go get a Ruger American Rimfire. A Compact model # 8306 (threaded for a suppressor), 12.5" LOP, with a fixed 8x Leupold Scope, shot into 3/8" @ 50 yards across the hood of my tractor about a month ago, using CCI Standard Velocity 40 RN. I think my LGS was asking $299.00 for the rifle. The full size is Model # 8305 and has a 13.75" length of pull, more suitable for grown ups. Adjustable trigger, uses 10/22 magazines, fiber-optic sights, and two buttstock options, one for iron sight use and the other is slightly raised for scope use. Ed
Last edited by APDDSN0864; 04/21/16. Reason: added/modified text
"Not in an open forum, where truth has less value than opinions, where all opinions are equally welcome regardless of their origins, rationale, inanity, or truth, where opinions are neither of equal value nor decisive." Ken Howell
|
|
|
|
Joined: Aug 2003
Posts: 19,822
Campfire Ranger
|
Campfire Ranger
Joined: Aug 2003
Posts: 19,822 |
Yes, that's my concern... On the bright side I got my DIP 25MOA rail and some 30mm Weaver QD meds on the mail this week.
Will put 6MQ atop my maple stocked 452 this weekend hopefully. Getting ready for the "Enemy At The Gates" match? Ed
"Not in an open forum, where truth has less value than opinions, where all opinions are equally welcome regardless of their origins, rationale, inanity, or truth, where opinions are neither of equal value nor decisive." Ken Howell
|
|
|
|
Joined: Oct 2009
Posts: 1,784
Campfire Regular
|
OP
Campfire Regular
Joined: Oct 2009
Posts: 1,784 |
Ed, you're going to make me buy one of those!!!! Re: Enemy at the gates (Stalingrad) We shot it at 50m fixed distance, prone, no support, no slings, etc. Doubt you need repeatable clicks and 25MOA rail for that, although it shouldn't hurt. However, we can add some variety and make a field course at different undisclaimed distances between say 12m-100m, sort of a military silhouette instead of a chick/ram/turkey/hog one
|
|
|
|
Joined: Oct 2009
Posts: 1,784
Campfire Regular
|
OP
Campfire Regular
Joined: Oct 2009
Posts: 1,784 |
BTW, spoke with my friend and he would prefer a CZ, despite me saying that the RAR would still be very functional, maybe he is becoming a loonie? I guess accurate guns that look pretty will do that to you.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 6,368
Campfire Tracker
|
Campfire Tracker
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 6,368 |
Whittaker Guns has the CZ 452 American in stock for $369.99, They had a special run of them but it appears they are selling so if he really wants one he should act fast, I have seen used ones selling for more than that.
drover
223 Rem, my favorite cartridge - you can't argue with truckloads of dead PD's and gophers.
24hourcampfire.com - The site where there is a problem for every solution.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jul 2001
Posts: 60,088
Campfire Kahuna
|
Campfire Kahuna
Joined: Jul 2001
Posts: 60,088 |
The 452's are fine rifles, but the Ruger Americans are pretty good too. Whatever suits the budget and is available!
“Montana seems to me to be what a small boy would think Texas is like from hearing Texans.” John Steinbeck
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jan 2008
Posts: 4,219
Campfire Tracker
|
Campfire Tracker
Joined: Jan 2008
Posts: 4,219 |
Here's another vote for the RAR Compact. I really like the rotary feed magazine and the light weight at about 6 1/4lbs.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Aug 2003
Posts: 19,822
Campfire Ranger
|
Campfire Ranger
Joined: Aug 2003
Posts: 19,822 |
Ed, you're going to make me buy one of those!!!! Re: Enemy at the gates (Stalingrad) We shot it at 50m fixed distance, prone, no support, no slings, etc. Doubt you need repeatable clicks and 25MOA rail for that, although it shouldn't hurt. However, we can add some variety and make a field course at different undisclaimed distances between say 12m-100m, sort of a military silhouette instead of a chick/ram/turkey/hog one Yes, yes I am. Derek needs it. I was practicing the Enemy At The Gates with random distances when I shot that 3/8" group, sighting in that rifle. No knob twirling, just Kentucky windage and guesstimating holdover out to 110yds on those little IPSC scale silhouettes. I'm almost ready! Ed
"Not in an open forum, where truth has less value than opinions, where all opinions are equally welcome regardless of their origins, rationale, inanity, or truth, where opinions are neither of equal value nor decisive." Ken Howell
|
|
|
|
Joined: Aug 2003
Posts: 19,822
Campfire Ranger
|
Campfire Ranger
Joined: Aug 2003
Posts: 19,822 |
Earl, Is that the rifle you used to kill the squirrel in the picture in the background? Ed
"Not in an open forum, where truth has less value than opinions, where all opinions are equally welcome regardless of their origins, rationale, inanity, or truth, where opinions are neither of equal value nor decisive." Ken Howell
|
|
|
|
Joined: Aug 2003
Posts: 19,822
Campfire Ranger
|
Campfire Ranger
Joined: Aug 2003
Posts: 19,822 |
The 452's are fine rifles, but the Ruger Americans are pretty good too. Whatever suits the budget and is available! John, Sponxx is one of those fortunate sons who found one of the maple stocked 452's... Yes, I'm envious as it shoots as good as it looks. Ed
"Not in an open forum, where truth has less value than opinions, where all opinions are equally welcome regardless of their origins, rationale, inanity, or truth, where opinions are neither of equal value nor decisive." Ken Howell
|
|
|
|
Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 4,419
Campfire Tracker
|
Campfire Tracker
Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 4,419 |
Maybe have him shoot a ruger 10/22 too since that is in his price range.
Help keep our sport going. take a kid outdoors!
|
|
|
|
Joined: Apr 2005
Posts: 8,900
Campfire Outfitter
|
Campfire Outfitter
Joined: Apr 2005
Posts: 8,900 |
Nobody mentioned any Savages....inexpensive enough that he could have enough money to buy a scope, too.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jan 2008
Posts: 4,219
Campfire Tracker
|
Campfire Tracker
Joined: Jan 2008
Posts: 4,219 |
Earl, Is that the rifle you used to kill the squirrel in the picture in the background? Ed I wish! Would be NICE if they were that size. Wouldn't it? Then even I could make head shots again.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Nov 2013
Posts: 28,754
Campfire Ranger
|
Campfire Ranger
Joined: Nov 2013
Posts: 28,754 |
Had a couple of CZs myself and agree they're great, but they have a couple of ergonomic issues for me in th field. My 77/22 is much better in that regard, but you can't get one for $300 in any condition. The American has a tang safety and multiple stock options, plus the adjustable trigger. Irons available too. Can't see how you could do better for the money.
Don't need another .22, but if they ever make it in stainless, I'm getting one for sure.
Maybe I'll get one anyway.
Last edited by Pappy348; 04/21/16.
What fresh Hell is this?
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 10,594
Campfire Outfitter
|
Campfire Outfitter
Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 10,594 |
I love the Ruger RAR, especially the compact version. I also bought a Savage with the Accu Trigger and put a Leupold 4x rimfire (that cost as much as the rifle) on it just before the RAR was introduced, and that gun is no slouch, either. My wife took over the Savage and is pleased as punch, even though I'd buy her any .22 she wants.
"Don't believe everything you see on the Internet" - Abraham Lincoln
|
|
|
|
558 members (16gage, 160user, 1Longbow, 1234, 007FJ, 10gaugemag, 53 invisible),
2,469
guests, and
1,223
robots. |
Key:
Admin,
Global Mod,
Mod
|
|
Forums81
Topics1,191,427
Posts18,470,733
Members73,931
|
Most Online11,491 Jul 7th, 2023
|
|
|
|