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80% Lower and Jig Kit? #11151224 04/28/16
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OP Bugout4x4 Campfire Regular B Joined: Dec 2015 Posts: 840 Arizona	I need some expert judgment about whether this Product is junk or not. Honestly I am not familiar with he AR at all and have always dealt with and built Sporting Rifles. But now I am thinking about getting one put together before they possibly become a thing of the past. I have the skills and tools needed and looking to do an 80% Lower like this one. I would appreciate all the knowledge I can get on this. This one Junk? or acceptable? Anything better out there? http://www.chkadels.com/AR15-Lower-Receiver-And-Jig-Kit-80-Percent-33484 When I no longer have the right to protect my own person or property...my person and property have become public property in common.

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Re: 80% Lower and Jig Kit? Bugout4x4 #11151234 04/28/16
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RWE Campfire Ranger Joined: Sep 2007 Posts: 26,524 Old North State	That is a polymer lower. Is that what you want compared to the aluminum offerings? Before you ask which is better, I'll ask what your intended use will be, and what your worst case use will be.

Re: 80% Lower and Jig Kit? RWE #11151277 04/28/16
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OP Bugout4x4 Campfire Regular B Joined: Dec 2015 Posts: 840 Arizona	Originally Posted by RWE That is a polymer lower. Is that what you want compared to the aluminum offerings? Before you ask which is better, I'll ask what your intended use will be, and what your worst case use will be. Just general Self defense or Coyote situations within a couple hundred yards. One of the Bolt actions will come out if I truly need long range accuracy. But I wouldn't want it to break into pieces if I dropped it either. When I no longer have the right to protect my own person or property...my person and property have become public property in common.

Re: 80% Lower and Jig Kit? Bugout4x4 #11151298 04/28/16
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rost495 Campfire Kahuna R Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 57,475 Alaska	with lowers around 50 bucks.... I'd never waste the time to mill one unless I just wanted to. Poly one my BIL bought a completed lower, stock and all, for 100 bucks plus tax and shipping last week... We can keep Larry Root and all his idiotic blabber and user names on here, but we can't get Ralph back..... Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, over....

Re: 80% Lower and Jig Kit? rost495 #11151315 04/28/16
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OP Bugout4x4 Campfire Regular B Joined: Dec 2015 Posts: 840 Arizona	Originally Posted by rost495 with lowers around 50 bucks.... I'd never waste the time to mill one unless I just wanted to. Poly one my BIL bought a completed lower, stock and all, for 100 bucks plus tax and shipping last week... You are right...this would be the way to go. I no longer hold an FFL and was just curious about the option to step around the dealer? With the stigma that comes along with the term "AR" the less records the better considering the possibility of future legal actions they might pull against AR's. Know what I mean? Last edited by Bugout4x4; 04/28/16. When I no longer have the right to protect my own person or property...my person and property have become public property in common.

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Re: 80% Lower and Jig Kit? Bugout4x4 #11151442 04/28/16
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rost495 Campfire Kahuna R Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 57,475 Alaska	Records mean nothing really. They know how has guns. Who had guns. thats common knowledge. YOu are on a data base simply because you come on this forum or other shooting ones. I could care less if my gun is papered or not. They will come after me and my wife. And at that point, it really only takes a win to own all they had at that point and move on. Its going to be very ugly and bloody when they decide to come get them here. Whether you paper em or not. My BIL thinks that way though, never buy a gun with a 4473.... yet he blasts stuff weekly, is on the internet, and is locally known to be a big gun guy... yeah they ain't going to come check on him right... AND if you have a non papered, but still illegal at that time in the future, gun, what are you going to do with it then? You can't take it out and shoot it or use it...It simply has to sit and wait for the bloodbath, and as noted once that starts I can use a 22lr single shot and pop the first idiot in the head and obtain all that idiot has then... Food and water and shelter will end up being much more important, but I know you agree on that part. We can keep Larry Root and all his idiotic blabber and user names on here, but we can't get Ralph back..... Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, over....

Re: 80% Lower and Jig Kit? rost495 #11151478 04/28/16
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OP Bugout4x4 Campfire Regular B Joined: Dec 2015 Posts: 840 Arizona	Originally Posted by rost495 Records mean nothing really. They know how has guns. Who had guns. thats common knowledge. YOu are on a data base simply because you come on this forum or other shooting ones. I could care less if my gun is papered or not. They will come after me and my wife. And at that point, it really only takes a win to own all they had at that point and move on. Its going to be very ugly and bloody when they decide to come get them here. Whether you paper em or not. My BIL thinks that way though, never buy a gun with a 4473.... yet he blasts stuff weekly, is on the internet, and is locally known to be a big gun guy... yeah they ain't going to come check on him right... AND if you have a non papered, but still illegal at that time in the future, gun, what are you going to do with it then? You can't take it out and shoot it or use it...It simply has to sit and wait for the bloodbath, and as noted once that starts I can use a 22lr single shot and pop the first idiot in the head and obtain all that idiot has then... Food and water and shelter will end up being much more important, but I know you agree on that part. I understand. But I was thinking at least it would be one not in any transfer records. I agree with you about the reality of the true situation if the SHTF. That was the whole concept behind the FP 45 "Liberator" Pistol package. Dropped with one Round intended only to acquire better things. Been telling Ammo Hoarders this for years. It wouldn't happen overnight and what happens when your Unique or Obsolete rounds run out? Going to have to do the inevitable anyways. When I no longer have the right to protect my own person or property...my person and property have become public property in common.

Re: 80% Lower and Jig Kit? Bugout4x4 #11151584 04/29/16
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rost495 Campfire Kahuna R Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 57,475 Alaska	actually the liberator came wiht like 4 rounds IIRC, but the point was you only need to do things off radar and a little bit here and there to move forward. I"m not at all convinced that having anything off paper means a damn thing these days. Even if you have... but they catch you somehow... We can keep Larry Root and all his idiotic blabber and user names on here, but we can't get Ralph back..... Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, over....

Re: 80% Lower and Jig Kit? Bugout4x4 #11152984 04/29/16
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Yondering Campfire Tracker Y Joined: Oct 2014 Posts: 4,755 Skagit County, WA	One thought about some of the 80% lowers out there right now - if you're going to do one (in aluminum), at least get something that's already hard anodized. You give up a lot of wear resistance with the bare aluminum lowers. Even with an anodized 80%, the trigger pins still wear against bare aluminum, but at least everything else is protected. Polymer is a different story of course.

Re: 80% Lower and Jig Kit? Yondering #11153110 04/29/16
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OP Bugout4x4 Campfire Regular B Joined: Dec 2015 Posts: 840 Arizona	Originally Posted by Yondering One thought about some of the 80% lowers out there right now - if you're going to do one (in aluminum), at least get something that's already hard anodized. You give up a lot of wear resistance with the bare aluminum lowers. Even with an anodized 80%, the trigger pins still wear against bare aluminum, but at least everything else is protected. Polymer is a different story of course. Much appreciate the straight forward tech advice you share here... So would Polymer be better in this case? or not a wise option to consider at all? Thank you. When I no longer have the right to protect my own person or property...my person and property have become public property in common.

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Re: 80% Lower and Jig Kit? Bugout4x4 #11153215 04/29/16
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BarryC Campfire Outfitter Joined: Mar 2004 Posts: 12,806	Personally, I wouldn't screw with either of them. I'd only consider AL if I could get it hard coat anodized. The pin holes are the most important part to get anodized. Nothing else really wears. You can ceracoat all that. Islam is a terrorist organization.

Re: 80% Lower and Jig Kit? Bugout4x4 #11153243 04/29/16
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rost495 Campfire Kahuna R Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 57,475 Alaska	I've GOT to find a place to hardcoat anodize some white lowers I have when I got screwed on a bulk lower buy..... We can keep Larry Root and all his idiotic blabber and user names on here, but we can't get Ralph back..... Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, over....

Re: 80% Lower and Jig Kit? BarryC #11153293 04/29/16
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OP Bugout4x4 Campfire Regular B Joined: Dec 2015 Posts: 840 Arizona	Originally Posted by BarryC Personally, I wouldn't screw with either of them. I'd only consider AL if I could get it hard coat anodized. The pin holes are the most important part to get anodized. Nothing else really wears. You can ceracoat all that. Thank you for the blunt truth! Like Rost implied...it just isn't worth messing with. The idea is now gone... I am now getting the picture that all that stands between a working AR and a piece of junk is a layer of anodization? Chevy tried this with the Vega. They produced an aluminum block with anodized Cylinders and expected it to last...Huge failure. So unless there are Iron lowers available, an AR is no longer a target my sites. When I no longer have the right to protect my own person or property...my person and property have become public property in common.

Re: 80% Lower and Jig Kit? Bugout4x4 #11153415 04/29/16
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rost495 Campfire Kahuna R Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 57,475 Alaska	LOL, I"ve got more rounds through a cheap AR lower than most folks will shoot in 2 lifetimes. Last I tried to do a check as to how many barrels I'd put on, at least 2-3 of our lowers have got to have 100K give or take through each one... There were SS lowers around years ago. I have not looked, there is no need for them... You will die long before you wear out the anodizing on the pin holes on a 50 buck lower... We can keep Larry Root and all his idiotic blabber and user names on here, but we can't get Ralph back..... Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, over....

Re: 80% Lower and Jig Kit? Bugout4x4 #11153417 04/29/16
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rost495 Campfire Kahuna R Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 57,475 Alaska	Plus for 50 bucks, its well cheap enough if you are anal, to have anotehr lower or 10 stashed... We can keep Larry Root and all his idiotic blabber and user names on here, but we can't get Ralph back..... Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, over....

Re: 80% Lower and Jig Kit? rost495 #11153452 04/30/16
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OP Bugout4x4 Campfire Regular B Joined: Dec 2015 Posts: 840 Arizona	Originally Posted by rost495 LOL, I"ve got more rounds through a cheap AR lower than most folks will shoot in 2 lifetimes. Last I tried to do a check as to how many barrels I'd put on, at least 2-3 of our lowers have got to have 100K give or take through each one... There were SS lowers around years ago. I have not looked, there is no need for them... You will die long before you wear out the anodizing on the pin holes on a 50 buck lower... I understand, and I get it When I no longer have the right to protect my own person or property...my person and property have become public property in common.

Re: 80% Lower and Jig Kit? Bugout4x4 #11153602 04/30/16
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hookeye Campfire Ranger H Joined: Feb 2016 Posts: 17,818 Armpit of midwest	Bare lower, no anodizing? Eh, when done have it Cerakoted. For 60 bucks completed these days, wouldn't mess with an 80%. Some 80% lowers are of older design, saw one that wasn't as reinforced at the front pin to magwell. Done on a mill, everything lined up perfect and it ran like a pickle seeder. Kills me, how so many want an 80% and buy them off the web, with a credit card (or get the rest of the parts that way). Last edited by hookeye; 04/30/16.

Re: 80% Lower and Jig Kit? Bugout4x4 #11153607 04/30/16
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hookeye Campfire Ranger H Joined: Feb 2016 Posts: 17,818 Armpit of midwest	Wanna project? Go for an 80% if one wants. Satisfaction, learning experience.......price might be worth it. Am not an AR guy really, even though I've had one or two hanging around for the last 20 yrs. Useful, but I don't cop a wood over 'em.

Re: 80% Lower and Jig Kit? Bugout4x4 #11153623 04/30/16
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antelope_sniper Campfire 'Bwana A Joined: Nov 2011 Posts: 30,955 Colorado	There are a couple outfits that make 80% lowers locally, and they take cash. You can also buy the 80% anodized Andersons. Each go for about $60.00 or 3 dollars less then a serialized Anderson after transfer fee. Since the background fee is per purchase, and not per lower, if you pick up two or more, right now, the serialized are actually cheaper. There are advantages and disadvantages to both, you just have to decide what works best for you needs. Last edited by antelope_sniper; 04/30/16. You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it. You cannot over estimate the unimportance of nearly everything. John Maxwell

Re: 80% Lower and Jig Kit? antelope_sniper #11153674 04/30/16
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OP Bugout4x4 Campfire Regular B Joined: Dec 2015 Posts: 840 Arizona	Originally Posted by antelope_sniper There are a couple outfits that make 80% lowers locally, and they take cash. You can also buy the 80% anodized Andersons. Each go for about $60.00 or 3 dollars less then a serialized Anderson after transfer fee. Since the background fee is per purchase, and not per lower, if you pick up two or more, right now, the serialized are actually cheaper. There are advantages and disadvantages to both, you just have to decide what works best for you needs. I really appreciate the positive reply The idea has been coaxed out of me. Looking at AK plates now...lol Just joking If I do get one I will just go above the radar and get a good quality lower. As far as under the radar goes...Great Granddad was good to me, but they didn't make AR's back then. When I no longer have the right to protect my own person or property...my person and property have become public property in common.

Re: 80% Lower and Jig Kit? Bugout4x4 #11153701 04/30/16
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rost495 Campfire Kahuna R Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 57,475 Alaska	First bang gives away under radar... thats why you need a can or two... We can keep Larry Root and all his idiotic blabber and user names on here, but we can't get Ralph back..... Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, over....

Re: 80% Lower and Jig Kit? rost495 #11153704 04/30/16
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antelope_sniper Campfire 'Bwana A Joined: Nov 2011 Posts: 30,955 Colorado	Originally Posted by rost495 First bang gives away under radar... thats why you need a can or two... Yea, but I imagine you would still need that pesky ATF stamp on an 80% can. You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it. You cannot over estimate the unimportance of nearly everything. John Maxwell

Re: 80% Lower and Jig Kit? Bugout4x4 #11153709 04/30/16
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rost495 Campfire Kahuna R Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 57,475 Alaska	or a machinist friend. But mostly, when it gets ugly, its going to get really ugly and not much is going to matter RE records or such. Thats assuming you don't give in when they come for the first evil objects.... We can keep Larry Root and all his idiotic blabber and user names on here, but we can't get Ralph back..... Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, over....

Re: 80% Lower and Jig Kit? antelope_sniper #11153735 04/30/16
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OP Bugout4x4 Campfire Regular B Joined: Dec 2015 Posts: 840 Arizona	Originally Posted by antelope_sniper Originally Posted by rost495 First bang gives away under radar... thats why you need a can or two... Yea, but I imagine you would still need that pesky ATF stamp on an 80% can. Oh no...Nothing that could be considered as illegal guys. When I no longer have the right to protect my own person or property...my person and property have become public property in common.

Re: 80% Lower and Jig Kit? Bugout4x4 #11153867 04/30/16
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rost495 Campfire Kahuna R Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 57,475 Alaska	LOL cans have never been illegal We can keep Larry Root and all his idiotic blabber and user names on here, but we can't get Ralph back..... Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, over....

Re: 80% Lower and Jig Kit? rost495 #11153876 04/30/16
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OP Bugout4x4 Campfire Regular B Joined: Dec 2015 Posts: 840 Arizona	Originally Posted by rost495 LOL cans have never been illegal He was talking about ATF stamps so I was not sure what you guys were actually referring to. lol When I no longer have the right to protect my own person or property...my person and property have become public property in common.

Re: 80% Lower and Jig Kit? Bugout4x4 #11154606 04/30/16
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antelope_sniper Campfire 'Bwana A Joined: Nov 2011 Posts: 30,955 Colorado	Originally Posted by Bugout4x4 Originally Posted by rost495 LOL cans have never been illegal He was talking about ATF stamps so I was not sure what you guys were actually referring to. lol Ownership of a can requires an ATF "tax stamp". A little piece of paper that cost I think $200.00 plus you have to fill out a form 4, and wait 6-12 months before you can pick it up. You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it. You cannot over estimate the unimportance of nearly everything. John Maxwell

Re: 80% Lower and Jig Kit? Bugout4x4 #11154624 04/30/16
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Yondering Campfire Tracker Y Joined: Oct 2014 Posts: 4,755 Skagit County, WA	Originally Posted by Bugout4x4 Originally Posted by Yondering One thought about some of the 80% lowers out there right now - if you're going to do one (in aluminum), at least get something that's already hard anodized. You give up a lot of wear resistance with the bare aluminum lowers. Even with an anodized 80%, the trigger pins still wear against bare aluminum, but at least everything else is protected. Polymer is a different story of course. Much appreciate the straight forward tech advice you share here... So would Polymer be better in this case? or not a wise option to consider at all? Thank you. I'd expect a polymer lower to wear less than aluminum, Nylon 6 (which most of them are made of) wears pretty well actually. You can use anti-rotation pins to eliminate the pin hole wear in an anodized 80% lower. Cerakote is a pretty poor substitute for hard anodizing though. The wear resistance isn't nearly as good. I'm with rost though; the 80% stuff just isn't worth the time, unless you just want a project. Good complete lowers are the way to go for me.

Re: 80% Lower and Jig Kit? Bugout4x4 #11155551 05/01/16
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Fubarski Campfire Outfitter F Joined: Oct 2009 Posts: 12,479 KCMO	Make your decision on the completed lower you want. Go find it on armslist in your state. Buy it with no paperwork. Ain't really no justification for 80% lowers anymore.

Re: 80% Lower and Jig Kit? Bugout4x4 #11156016 05/01/16
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MistWolf New Member M Joined: Nov 2013 Posts: 21	Polymer lowers are much more fragile than aluminum lowers. If you're going to do an 80% lower, start with a 7075 forging. They do cost more than many finished lowers, but you'll have the satisfaction of having machined it yourself

Re: 80% Lower and Jig Kit? Bugout4x4 #11156026 05/01/16
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OP Bugout4x4 Campfire Regular B Joined: Dec 2015 Posts: 840 Arizona	I really appreciate all the advice Gentlemen. When I no longer have the right to protect my own person or property...my person and property have become public property in common.

Re: 80% Lower and Jig Kit? Bugout4x4 #11156082 05/01/16
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rost495 Campfire Kahuna R Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 57,475 Alaska	I'd love to figure out how to machine one out... maybe after I hope to learn to rebarrel bolt guns... It would be fun, but negative profitable. We can keep Larry Root and all his idiotic blabber and user names on here, but we can't get Ralph back..... Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, over....

Re: 80% Lower and Jig Kit? MistWolf #11156511 05/01/16
Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 19,175 North of Des Moines kwg020 Campfire Ranger
kwg020 Campfire Ranger Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 19,175 North of Des Moines	Originally Posted by MistWolf Polymer lowers are much more fragile than aluminum lowers. If you're going to do an 80% lower, start with a 7075 forging. They do cost more than many finished lowers, but you'll have the satisfaction of having machined it yourself Carbon fiber lowers are fragile but I think you will find these are as tough as any other polymer lower on a pistol. kwg http://www.tnarmsco.com/liberator-80-receiver-blank-w-jig/ For liberals and anarchists, power and control is opium, selling envy is the fastest and easiest way to get it. TRR. American conservative. Never trust a white liberal. Malcom X Current NRA member.

Re: 80% Lower and Jig Kit? kwg020 #11156788 05/01/16
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Yondering Campfire Tracker Y Joined: Oct 2014 Posts: 4,755 Skagit County, WA	Originally Posted by kwg020 Originally Posted by MistWolf Polymer lowers are much more fragile than aluminum lowers. If you're going to do an 80% lower, start with a 7075 forging. They do cost more than many finished lowers, but you'll have the satisfaction of having machined it yourself Carbon fiber lowers are fragile but I think you will find these are as tough as any other polymer lower on a pistol. kwg http://www.tnarmsco.com/liberator-80-receiver-blank-w-jig/ I've got a completed lower from those guys (for about 1/3 the price of their 80% and jig), and wouldn't recommend them to anybody I wanted to stay friends with. They aren't worth the $35 their lowers cost, never mind the FFL fee. I sure wouldn't pay $100 for an unfinished version.

Re: 80% Lower and Jig Kit? Bugout4x4 #11156960 05/01/16
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rost495 Campfire Kahuna R Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 57,475 Alaska	whats wrong with their lowers? We can keep Larry Root and all his idiotic blabber and user names on here, but we can't get Ralph back..... Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, over....

Re: 80% Lower and Jig Kit? Bugout4x4 #11157176 05/01/16
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TomT Campfire Regular T Joined: May 2002 Posts: 2,840 USA	Hi all, While I have to admit that I haven't read all of the responses to this post, I HAVE just recently finished a 80% Polymer 80 lower receiver, using a drill press, 4"x3" XY vice, and a dremmel tool. I used a RRA lower parts kit. The actual process was easier than I thought, as there are many YouTube videos to show you the process. A good pair of dial calipers, and a complete lower receiver on hand, for a visual and mathematical reference is also a good idea. My opinion, don't waste your money. I was expecting the quality of the "plastic" (polymer) to be equal in quality (toughness) of the lower of my Glock 17, but it's MUCH softer. There is NO comparison to my Colt or Stag lowers, and while it will probably work (haven't fired it yet), I feel like any side-to-side pressure on the completed weapon will crack it in half like a plastic water pistol. I MAY just leave it unused in the safe, OR I may get a .22LR bolt/carrier/mag assembly and have an AR/22LR. I have a second one, that I think I'm just going to keep (unfinished) as a conversation piece. That's my honest, unabashed opinion. YMMV -TomT "I'm from the government, and I'm here to help"

Re: 80% Lower and Jig Kit? rost495 #11157633 05/02/16
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Yondering Campfire Tracker Y Joined: Oct 2014 Posts: 4,755 Skagit County, WA	Originally Posted by rost495 whats wrong with their lowers? Other than the hour or so needed to deburr everything and clearance the lower to fit your upper - their lowers hold a mil-spec upper off-center at the rear, because of where they positioned the recess for the rear lug. I sent mine back twice, the first time the replacement had the same issue; it's still back with them again, on my dime. Like this; it rubs the bcg against the buffer tube:

Re: 80% Lower and Jig Kit? Bugout4x4 #11157849 05/02/16
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rost495 Campfire Kahuna R Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 57,475 Alaska	Got it. We can keep Larry Root and all his idiotic blabber and user names on here, but we can't get Ralph back..... Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, over....

Re: 80% Lower and Jig Kit? Yondering #11158268 05/02/16
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antelope_sniper Campfire 'Bwana A Joined: Nov 2011 Posts: 30,955 Colorado	Originally Posted by Yondering Originally Posted by rost495 whats wrong with their lowers? Other than the hour or so needed to deburr everything and clearance the lower to fit your upper - their lowers hold a mil-spec upper off-center at the rear, because of where they positioned the recess for the rear lug. I sent mine back twice, the first time the replacement had the same issue; it's still back with them again, on my dime. Like this; it rubs the bcg against the buffer tube: I think the technical term for that is "junk". Thanks for the heads up!! You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it. You cannot over estimate the unimportance of nearly everything. John Maxwell

Re: 80% Lower and Jig Kit? Yondering #11158678 05/02/16
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kwg020 Campfire Ranger Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 19,175 North of Des Moines	Originally Posted by Yondering Originally Posted by rost495 whats wrong with their lowers? Other than the hour or so needed to deburr everything and clearance the lower to fit your upper - their lowers hold a mil-spec upper off-center at the rear, because of where they positioned the recess for the rear lug. I sent mine back twice, the first time the replacement had the same issue; it's still back with them again, on my dime. Like this; it rubs the bcg against the buffer tube: Interesting. I'll have to take a look at mine. kwg For liberals and anarchists, power and control is opium, selling envy is the fastest and easiest way to get it. TRR. American conservative. Never trust a white liberal. Malcom X Current NRA member.

Re: 80% Lower and Jig Kit? kwg020 #11159026 05/02/16
Joined: Oct 2014 Posts: 4,755 Skagit County, WA Y Yondering Campfire Tracker
Yondering Campfire Tracker Y Joined: Oct 2014 Posts: 4,755 Skagit County, WA	Originally Posted by kwg020 Interesting. I'll have to take a look at mine. kwg Please do, I'm interested to hear how yours fits. On the two I've had, and both of my bud's, you can see the misalignment on the outside too; the lower doesn't match up with the upper at the rear and it's worse on one side. When a company keeps insisting "we've never seen that before", I can't help but wonder if it's just me somehow, but I'm seeing it on 4 different lowers of theirs and at least 8 uppers that all fit mil-spec lowers correctly. I think it's their design flaw, because the rear lug pocket is measurably off to one side in the lower, by about the amount you see in the pic above. That just seems really weird to me, given how common and consistent most other AR15 mil spec receivers are that fit each other correctly.

Re: 80% Lower and Jig Kit? Bugout4x4 #11163487 05/04/16
Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 19,175 North of Des Moines kwg020 Campfire Ranger
kwg020 Campfire Ranger Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 19,175 North of Des Moines	I have 2 that my son has been shooting without issue. I have put together a third one but I don't have an upper for it. They make a real light weight rifle. I did have to shape the back of the lowers where the upper meets it and the back pin fits through. With some work it makes a nice snug fit. I did have to file off some burrs to fit the front pin. I have about an hour in each one of the polymer lowers to fit it to my satisfaction but the light weight made it worth it. I have not viewed the lower with a bolt in it with the butt stock off. I plan on doing this with the one I have at home but it will be a while before I see the 2 that are at my son's place. He claims he has not had any issues shooting either one but I want to look at them. Thanks kwg For liberals and anarchists, power and control is opium, selling envy is the fastest and easiest way to get it. TRR. American conservative. Never trust a white liberal. Malcom X Current NRA member.

Re: 80% Lower and Jig Kit? Bugout4x4 #11181006 05/12/16
Joined: Oct 2014 Posts: 4,755 Skagit County, WA Y Yondering Campfire Tracker
Yondering Campfire Tracker Y Joined: Oct 2014 Posts: 4,755 Skagit County, WA	I've been out of town, and received my "fixed" lower back from TA while I was gone so I thought I'd update my earlier comments. They did get my polymer lower to fit a mil-spec upper now; it's still not perfect but it is functional. I have mixed feelings about it - TA did stand behind their warranty and finally fixed it, but that required shipping it back twice on my dime to fix something that shouldn't have been an issue in the first place.

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