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I have been without a 9mm for about 25 years and have decided I need another one. I have always liked the Hi-Power and just got an email from Bud's Guns and they have a bunch of different surplus Hi-Power clones in varying conditions. I don't have any experience with any of them so if y'all have any opinions on these as to which are better please chime in. They have the Israeli Kareen, FEG Hi-Power, FN Hi-Power and Mauser SA-80.
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For that amount of money my first choice would not be a surplus clone but a brand new Sig 2022 or Walther PPX.
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The P35 was always a favorite of mine but, since I got a CZ-75B about 3 years ago my mind has changed. I call my CZ an improved Browning Hi Power. I highly recommend it to the Browning and have also bought the PCR and the P-06 models. Another plus is that a new CZ is about the cost of the used Browning.
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there is an excellent thread over on the smith & wesson forum on hipowers. i like them, and have several. Few years ago i bought a belgian FN made for export to israel. it is a nice pistol except the finish is not the high blue you would expect of a hi power. eventual started producing their own, and thats where the kareem came from. The early feg's they also purchased were decent. personally i think joe has it right. I have seen israeli cz75's in various configerations for sale in the mid 300 dollar range as surplus and i would call it an improved browning hi power too. They are really that good. When i was looking to buy one i ended up buying two, a B model and the D "commander" size model. link to the thread http://smith-wessonforum.com/firearms-knives-other-brands/475827-high-power-clones.html
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I can't speak to any of the others but I once owned an FEG , it went away.
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I can't speak to any of the others but I once owned an FEG , it went away.
Mike Just for the record - why? Since FN is the original maker, that would be my first choice.
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Honestly speaking, it's hard to really appreciate the Hi Power until the trigger has been dealt with, and a proper set of grips are put on the gun; then the stars align.
I'm not sure what they were thinking with the original grips, but they do everything they can possibly do to screw up the ergonomics of the pistol, and the ergos are so good that even all that effort fails. But when you put something like Spegel grips on a Hi Power and give it a proper trigger, then the Hi Power starts to move into a class all its own.
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I have a NIB Box - FEG Model PJK 9HP Hi-Power that is identical to the photo below - imported by KBI. <><> http://www.m1garand.net/Photos/sell/FEG_HiPower/images/Untitled-3.jpg <><> FEG was a long established maker of firearms in Hungary - KBI was a private U.S. company & importer of firearms manufactured under contract and KBI's specifications. Michael Kassner was the President and owner of KBI. Michael Kassner was also the modern incarnation of 'Charles Daly Firearms' who long imported firearms from old world foreign gun makers and was known for providing quality and affordable firearms to American shooters under his specifications. The Feg PJK Hi Power was named for his wife Pamela Jane Kassner - Also, the PJK Hi Power clone is based on an earlier coveted model of the original Browning Hi Power and 'parts' are said to be 100% interchangeable with the FN & BHP. This FEG pistol is considered by some Hi Power enthusiasts to rival, (even surpass) Fabrique Nationale and Browning Hi Powers models in fit, finish, and performance. Having 'both', I think that's a bit of a stetch - but I can appreciate the sentiment.
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The parts do interchange, fwiw.
The FEG is one Hell of a MkII BHP.
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Owning both a Belgian made Hi-Power, and a CZ-75, I will take the CZ every time.
Of course if you are willing to spend some serious $$$ (much like a custom 1911) you can get a very nice BHP, but in the stock form, I find the pistol to be a dog as compared to modern offerings.
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I also own both - and I'll take 'both' every time! 
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I have a NIB Box - FEG Model PJK 9HP Hi-Power that is identical to the photo below - imported by KBI. <><> http://www.m1garand.net/Photos/sell/FEG_HiPower/images/Untitled-3.jpg <><> FEG was a long established maker of firearms in Hungary - KBI was a private U.S. company & importer of firearms manufactured under contract and KBI's specifications. Michael Kassner was the President and owner of KBI. Michael Kassner was also the modern incarnation of 'Charles Daly Firearms' who long imported firearms from old world foreign gun makers and was known for providing quality and affordable firearms to American shooters under his specifications. The Feg PJK Hi Power was named for his wife Pamela Jane Kassner - Also, the PJK Hi Power clone is based on an earlier coveted model of the original Browning Hi Power and 'parts' are said to be 100% interchangeable with the FN & BHP. This FEG pistol is considered by some Hi Power enthusiasts to rival, (even surpass) Fabrique Nationale and Browning Hi Powers models in fit, finish, and performance. Having 'both', I think that's a bit of a stetch - but I can appreciate the sentiment. having both, i can appreciate what you wrote and the sentiment. My memory is week on this, but the early ones were i think suppose to be a lot better than the later ones.
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Owning both a Belgian made Hi-Power, and a CZ-75, I will take the CZ every time.
Of course if you are willing to spend some serious $$$ (much like a custom 1911) you can get a very nice BHP, but in the stock form, I find the pistol to be a dog as compared to modern offerings.
aw mickey, you would have to say that. having bought a 75b and the smaller version a few months ago i would call them an improved hi power. they are pretty sweet.
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My favorite CZ is a model that seems to be largely overlooked. I like it for some things it doesn't have as well as some extras it has . . . My first CZ was the CZ-85 Combat. The 'Combat' designation stands for the lack of a firing pin block safety - which gives the 85 Combat a slight advantage in the trigger pull department. The basic CZ-75, 85 pistols available today have the 'B' designation which stands for 'firing pin block safety'. The only difference between '75' and' 85' pistols is that the CZ-85 pistols feature ambidextrous controls & I'm left handed. But more than that, I chose the CZ 85 Combat for having features: Manual safety + safety stop on hammer Sights - 3 Dot Fully adjustable rear sight Over travel adjustment on trigger Drop free magazine I bought my CZ 85 Combat many years ago when the glossy blue finish was still available. <><> https://www.slickguns.com/sites/default/files/cz-85-combat-9mm2.jpg <><> - I don't think mine is quite this blue!
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Owning both a Belgian made Hi-Power, and a CZ-75, I will take the CZ every time.
Of course if you are willing to spend some serious $$$ (much like a custom 1911) you can get a very nice BHP, but in the stock form, I find the pistol to be a dog as compared to modern offerings.
This. I've owned both and still have my CZ. No flies on a good BHP, however, but I wouldn't go cheap on one.
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I have probably the cheapest HiPower you can get - the FM m95. I don't see any functional disadvantage to it compared to my Silver-Chrome BHP that I wish I still had. I had planned to have some custom work done on it, but frankly, it's just fine as it is with the mag disconnect removed and a little judicious polishing. The only reason to spend more money on a HP as far as I can tell is to have a pretty gun.
As to the HP doggishness.....simple fixes for that. A HP with simple trigger improvement and good grips is still one of the most user-friendly pistols ever made.
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My favorite CZ is a model that seems to be largely overlooked. I like it for some things it doesn't have as well as some extras it has . . . My first CZ was the CZ-85 Combat. The 'Combat' designation stands for the lack of a firing pin block safety - which gives the 85 Combat a slight advantage in the trigger pull department. The basic CZ-75, 85 pistols available today have the 'B' designation which stands for 'firing pin block safety'. The only difference between '75' and' 85' pistols is that the CZ-85 pistols feature ambidextrous controls & I'm left handed. But more than that, I chose the CZ 85 Combat for having features: Manual safety + safety stop on hammer Sights - 3 Dot Fully adjustable rear sight Over travel adjustment on trigger Drop free magazine I bought my CZ 85 Combat many years ago when the glossy blue finish was still available. <><> https://www.slickguns.com/sites/default/files/cz-85-combat-9mm2.jpg <><> - I don't think mine is quite this blue! Good info ( and NICE pic) on the CZ.. I'm also a LH shooter so the M85 would be the only one I'd consider.. Mackay advised me re: the CZ models several months ago and I'd like to try one but there's literally NONE around here..
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Owning both a Belgian made Hi-Power, and a CZ-75, I will take the CZ every time.
Of course if you are willing to spend some serious $$$ (much like a custom 1911) you can get a very nice BHP, but in the stock form, I find the pistol to be a dog as compared to modern offerings.
aw mickey, you would have to say that. having bought a 75b and the smaller version a few months ago i would call them an improved hi power. they are pretty sweet. I just picked up a NIB CZ-75 P-01 off GunBroker. Looking forward to taking delivery. I've only had one CZ handgun before, a 75B, and it was a total dog on reliability (even after hundreds of rounds of break in, plenty of lube, and even with FMJ), but I hear so much praise from owners that I decided it must have been one of those one in a million experiences. I loved the way it felt and shot, despite the unreliability, so give me a reliable one and I will likely be very happy.
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My favorite CZ is a model that seems to be largely overlooked. I like it for some things it doesn't have as well as some extras it has . . . My first CZ was the CZ-85 Combat. The 'Combat' designation stands for the lack of a firing pin block safety - which gives the 85 Combat a slight advantage in the trigger pull department. The basic CZ-75, 85 pistols available today have the 'B' designation which stands for 'firing pin block safety'. The only difference between '75' and' 85' pistols is that the CZ-85 pistols feature ambidextrous controls & I'm left handed. But more than that, I chose the CZ 85 Combat for having features: Manual safety + safety stop on hammer Sights - 3 Dot Fully adjustable rear sight Over travel adjustment on trigger Drop free magazine I bought my CZ 85 Combat many years ago when the glossy blue finish was still available. <><> https://www.slickguns.com/sites/default/files/cz-85-combat-9mm2.jpg <><> - I don't think mine is quite this blue! Good info ( and NICE pic) on the CZ.. I'm also a LH shooter so the M85 would be the only one I'd consider.. Mackay advised me re: the CZ models several months ago and I'd like to try one but there's literally NONE around here.. there are israeli surplus cz's coming in. J&G had them so did aim surplus. They had a number of different models. one of the ones i got had "massada" marked on the slide. pretty cool
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I am left handed too, but specifically picked the B and C model shown. have a on/off switch, can pull the hammer back on kind of a half cock position, and while you can carry with hammer back and safety on, i don't and thus don't really use the safety. the holster is what the B model resides in. It is a U.S. leather cathey enterprises left hand holster designed for the beretta 92 military. The only problem is the brigadeer is too fat to fit in it. It will accept the taurus clones of the 92, and works just right with the cz. the C model i took the grips off and put on some rubber ones. magazines for both will equally work in either gun, and you can put the larger mag in the c model. neither one have a decocker which i didnt care about. there is also a "police" version. mags drop out of these too. they do have that black paint job they are so fond of. ![[Linked Image]](http://i449.photobucket.com/albums/qq219/gumpy038/cz75.jpg)
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I would really like to try one of the SA only models of the CZ. I realize that might cut down on some of the utility of the pistol, but I am mostly interested in shooting it that way anyhow.
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I would really like to try one of the SA only models of the CZ. I realize that might cut down on some of the utility of the pistol, but I am mostly interested in shooting it that way anyhow. Most I have found really need some additional tuning of the trigger to make it a good and proper single action. But once that is done, it's really great.
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I couldn't stand it anymore. There has been a CZ75B at my buddy's shop for a couple weeks and it followed me home today.
I ran 15 rounds through it at about 15 yards on an 8 inch steel plate and it was a pure pleasure to shoot. I threw one off the plate because I was trying to push myself, but 14 out of 15 was good.
It is looking like a keeper so far.
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I ended up taking that C model down to a czcrank in mesa, he is on the cz forum and does custom work on them. the question i had was replacing the mail recoil spring. it had a large spring with a small spring inside. He had never seen that before. I ended up buying another spring for both guns, but they are just spares.
I believe you can get 18 or 20round mags for them too.
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The CZ 75 Sp01 has the ambi safety. If you are not familiar with CZCustoms or Cajun Gun works, they both have trigger tuning services or parts to make them any way you want.
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I would really like to try one of the SA only models of the CZ. I realize that might cut down on some of the utility of the pistol, but I am mostly interested in shooting it that way anyhow. Most I have found really need some additional tuning of the trigger to make it a good and proper single action. But once that is done, it's really great. Is it possible to take away that spongy take-up after the reset?
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I can't speak to any of the others but I once owned an FEG , it went away.
Mike Just for the record - why? Since FN is the original maker, that would be my first choice. 1. Changing magazines changed the trigger , it might have an acceptable trigger with one magazine and a terrible trigger with the next magazine. 2. Some factory ammo was too long to work in the factory magazine. 3. I despise a magazine disconnect safety on a handgun. Mike
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I can't speak to any of the others but I once owned an FEG , it went away.
Mike Just for the record - why? Since FN is the original maker, that would be my first choice. 1. Changing magazines changed the trigger , it might have an acceptable trigger with one magazine and a terrible trigger with the next magazine. 2. Some factory ammo was too long to work in the factory magazine. 3. I despise a magazine disconnect safety on a handgun. Mike Oh - so most of it wasn't a problem with that gun in particular....just normal HiPower stuff that goes away with the removal of the disconnect. I haven't ever seen any factory ammo that wouldn't fit my HiPower mags. What ammo was that? What brand of mags?
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I can't speak to any of the others but I once owned an FEG , it went away.
Mike Just for the record - why? Since FN is the original maker, that would be my first choice. 1. Changing magazines changed the trigger , it might have an acceptable trigger with one magazine and a terrible trigger with the next magazine. 2. Some factory ammo was too long to work in the factory magazine. 3. I despise a magazine disconnect safety on a handgun. Mike Oh - so most of it wasn't a problem with that gun in particular....just normal HiPower stuff that goes away with the removal of the disconnect. I haven't ever seen any factory ammo that wouldn't fit my HiPower mags. What ammo was that? What brand of mags? I don't remember the ammo , the magazine was the one that came with the gun. Mike
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