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The Associated Press ISLAND PARK, IDAHO Authorities say a 15-year-old boy hunting black bears with his father mistakenly shot and killed a 500-pound male grizzly bear in eastern Idaho. The Idaho Department of Fish and Game says the father and son from California later that evening on May 5 returned to their family cabin and realized it was a grizzly bear. Authorities say that the next morning they contacted Idaho Fish and Game to report what happened. Fish and Game officials in a news release Thursday say the juvenile has been issued a warning and the father a citation for the taking and possessing a protected species. A court date is set for June 1. Officials say the carcass of the 9-year-old grizzly bear has been confiscated. IDAHO Read more here: http://www.idahostatesman.com/news/state/idaho/article78685112.html#storylink=cpy
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He could be in for some expensive hurt. Island Park does have grizzlies and a hunter needs to be careful of what he shoots. If this was in an area where there aren't any, he could be excused, but not there.
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Wait a sec . . . kid shoots gizz and father gets citation?
Kid - you're supposed to kill BooBoo, not Yogi.
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Wait a sec . . . kid shoots gizz and father gets citation?
Kid - you're supposed to kill BooBoo, not Yogi.
Idaho has non-resident Jr-mentored tags. The kid has to be within normal talking range of a licensed adult. Since the adult is technically in charge and is responsible for keeping the kid from doing stuff like this, he gets the ticket. It says right in the regs: Caution: grizzly bears may be encountered in Units 64, 65, 66 & 67
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I'm just trying to wrap my mind around shooting a 500 pound grizzly and not realizing it was indeed a grizzly until later that evening?
Good grief, that is pretty close to shooting an elk and thinking it was a mule deer.
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I'm just trying to wrap my mind around shooting a 500 pound grizzly and not realizing it was indeed a grizzly until later that evening?
Good grief, that is pretty close to shooting an elk and thinking it was a mule deer. There are lots of 500 lb Black Bears killed here every year.
One shot, one kill........ It saves a lot of ammo!
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It's the hunter's responsibility to know his quarry and identify/be sure of his target. If it was indeed a mentored situation, then the adult should pay the price.
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I'm just trying to wrap my mind around shooting a 500 pound grizzly and not realizing it was indeed a grizzly until later that evening?
Good grief, that is pretty close to shooting an elk and thinking it was a mule deer. There are lots of 500 lb Black Bears killed here every year. It doesn't matter if it's a 250 lb grizzly just because there are lots of black bears around that size. If they couldn't tell the difference, they had no business shooting. Much less being out hunting black bears.
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I'm just trying to wrap my mind around shooting a 500 pound grizzly and not realizing it was indeed a grizzly until later that evening?
Good grief, that is pretty close to shooting an elk and thinking it was a mule deer. That happen down south of Baker,MT. Some guys shot a big bull elk and paraded it around town and stopped at the bar bragging about the huge mule deer they shot
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While the bear wasn't all that big for a grizzly, it was 9 years old, clearly not a youngster. It would have the classic face and hump of an adult.
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Well...15 year olds have done much worse. The guy turned himself in...still gets in some [bleep]...I bet it's the last time he or junior tells the truth to the COs
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I'm just trying to wrap my mind around shooting a 500 pound grizzly and not realizing it was indeed a grizzly until later that evening?
Good grief, that is pretty close to shooting an elk and thinking it was a mule deer. Just saying... http://billingsgazette.com/news/sta...e1da577-c771-54c3-abe9-033bf7324d69.html
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To give the guy a little benefit of the doubt, a llama in the shadows has a profile very much like a cow elk. They could be easily mistaken. OTOH, your average elk hunter would have to question why his elk had a fleece and toenails.
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Well...15 year olds have done much worse. The guy turned himself in...still gets in some [bleep]...I bet it's the last time he or junior tells the truth to the COs We have no details at all. They did have a cabin there. It's quite possible they'd already bragged to the neighbors who would wonder why the bear suddenly disappeared. It's also possible that one of the neighbors is who recognized it for what it was. We just don't know that stuff.
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A Wyoming game and fish employee killed a grizzly two years ago. He is employed as a large predator specialist. And he shot across a highway. And he's still employed by the state.
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I know a guide that had a client shoot a coal black grizzly thinking it was a black bear...
Mark Begich, Joaquin Jackson, and Heller resistance... Three huge reasons to worry about the NRA.
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Mark Begich, Joaquin Jackson, and Heller resistance... Three huge reasons to worry about the NRA.
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When I was about 18 or so, we had someone from Calif get a Shiras Moose tag in Utah.
The supposed hunter had never fired a gun before in his life. Had never hunted big game before. etc etc etc
His trophy was a ranchers roping horse.
Game and fish fined him. Confiscated his rifle. They informed the state of Calif which placed him on a 5 year hunting probation (no hunting).
And the rancher sued him for $25k stating the value of the horse and the cost to replace in.
I think all fines levied and suits settled cost him close to $50k
Think that was 1981.
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Mistakes can happen, but also some people are too ignorant to make decisions, and shouldn't be hunting. An example: I was a teenager in a small community close to Mt. St. Helens before it erupted. This was the hunting season after the Columbus-day-storm, which uprooted millions of trees in our area... A "hunter" and his son-in-law from out-of-state decided to go hunting for a buck. (Their first hunt, by the way) They had their deer tags and rifles and started hunting the Toutle River drainage coming off Mt. St. Hel... They wound up shooting 5 (yes, 5) cow elk which were blocked-in just like a corral in a small draw with trees down on the exits out of the draw. They didn't know what to do with all the "deer", so their son-in-law drove back home and returned the next morning with his flatbed truck and a winch. They winched the bloated cows which had not been gutted onto the flatbed and drove them to the game department checkout to report their "deer" success. The game warden in our area gave me this story the afternoon after it had happened... He looked like he could have used a stiff drink. They lost their licenses, lost their guns, lost their vehicles, and had a very large fine.
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I once mistook a really big porcupine on an open slope at a distance for a griz thru the spotting scope. Fortunately, we were hunting caribou or black bear.... Griz/brown bear and I have a deal. If they don't try to put big ugly holes in me, I won't to them either. Worked for 40 plus years, so far.... Including the neighborhood ones, who have left tracks on my sidewalk, in the flower beds, on the deck, in the bed of the truck, down the driveway.... I miss my dog. I have no idea what's going on out there anymore!
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