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It's hard to beat a good 280 with good handloads for any nondangerous game. If you don't handload just get a 270.
But if you do,a 280 is mighty nice,and has a couple of advantages over the 270. One is that there are lots of premium bullets in weights of 160 grains and up. The 270 has one,the 160 grain Nosler semispitzer. Second is that there are lots of really high BC long range bullets for the 280,the 270 offers less options in this category as well.
The 270 is really the all around rifle for Everyman. The 280 is really the all around rifle for guy who want a 270 and 30-06 rolled into one and doen't mind handloading to get it.
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It's hard to beat a good 280 with good handloads for any nondangerous game. If you don't handload just get a 270.
But if you do,a 280 is mighty nice,and has a couple of advantages over the 270. One is that there are lots of premium bullets in weights of 160 grains and up. The 270 has one,the 160 grain Nosler semispitzer. Second is that there are lots of really high BC long range bullets for the 280,the 270 offers less options in this category as well.
The 270 is really the all around rifle for Everyman. The 280 is really the all around rifle for guy who want a 270 and 30-06 rolled into one and doen't mind handloading to get it. Great post doc! Regarding the 280AI, nobody should expect it to be a 7RM, but another 100fps is never a bad thing and really plays well with the heavier bullets the 280 can handle.
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Not only can the .280 AI match the velocity of 150-grain .270 bullets with 160's C'mon JB, of course it was meant to be funny, but you know you don't have to AI a 280/160 combo to match speeds with the 270/150. 
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JOC wrote about Western Tool and Copper Works bullets alot.
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It's hard to beat a good 280 with good handloads for any nondangerous game. If you don't handload just get a 270.
But if you do,a 280 is mighty nice,and has a couple of advantages over the 270. One is that there are lots of premium bullets in weights of 160 grains and up. The 270 has one,the 160 grain Nosler semispitzer. Second is that there are lots of really high BC long range bullets for the 280,the 270 offers less options in this category as well.
The 270 is really the all around rifle for Everyman. The 280 is really the all around rifle for guy who want a 270 and 30-06 rolled into one and doen't mind handloading to get it. Only problem with your line of thinking is in the current brass market 280 hulls are scarce as hens teeth, while 270's are everywhere.
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I think an awful lot of the .270's popularity had to do with JOC and a zippy 130gr loading.
Maybe, but those 130 grain bullets were mostly Noslers & that fact had as much to do with the success of the 270 as did the caliber or JOC's writing...............I kinda doubt he would have gotten as much performance out of cheaper C&C bullets of the day. MM Not true. Jack O' began using the .270 in 1925 and he mostly used Winchester Positive Expanding Points and Remington Bronze Points and he says they were excellent.
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JOC wrote about Western Tool and Copper Works bullets alot. Those too.
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It's hard to beat a good 280 with good handloads for any nondangerous game. If you don't handload just get a 270.
But if you do,a 280 is mighty nice,and has a couple of advantages over the 270. One is that there are lots of premium bullets in weights of 160 grains and up. The 270 has one,the 160 grain Nosler semispitzer. Second is that there are lots of really high BC long range bullets for the 280,the 270 offers less options in this category as well.
The 270 is really the all around rifle for Everyman. The 280 is really the all around rifle for guy who want a 270 and 30-06 rolled into one and doen't mind handloading to get it. Only problem with your line of thinking is in the current brass market 280 hulls are scarce as hens teeth, while 270's are everywhere. Haven't bought any lately, so I ran a quick check. Took me 30 seconds to find two sources. Hens teeth are waaaaay more scarce.
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LOL, that might be true!
On the shelves here there are no 280 shells. However, 270 brass is in every store.
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...270brass is in every store. and so is ammunition. For the Worldwide Big Game Hunter, there is no substitute for ammo availability should SHTF and your ammo is lost, stolen or you run out (having to sight-in after an accident or some other issue). If in any given year I'm travelling to Asia, Australia/NZ, Europe or Africa (heck, even going up to Alaska or Canada) and spending tens of thousands of dollars on hunts, it's absolutely foolish to bring along a 280. You will not find 280 ammo. I will always find 270 Winchester ammo in some bullet weight or another and that's why my Model 70 in 270 Winchester is my all-around light deer/sheep/plains game cartridge; else, it's my 300 win mag or my 375 H&H or 416 rem mag depending on the scenario.
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Won't .270 ammo work in a .280?
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Won't .270 ammo work in a .280? Brass will. You just have to be smarter than the average bag of brass to make it work. 
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I think an awful lot of the .270's popularity had to do with JOC and a zippy 130gr loading.
Maybe, but those 130 grain bullets were mostly Noslers & that fact had as much to do with the success of the 270 as did the caliber or JOC's writing...............I kinda doubt he would have gotten as much performance out of cheaper C&C bullets of the day. MM Not true. Jack O' began using the .270 in 1925 and he mostly used Winchester Positive Expanding Points and Remington Bronze Points and he says they were excellent. I have several of Jack's books and grew up reading his articles in Outdoor life and I remember him being quite fond of the 130 gr. Winchester Silvertip. I'm pretty sure the positive expanding points were never made/loaded for anything but the .25-06.
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Won't .270 ammo work in a .280? No, but there's an "elk hunter" on that same forum that uses the 280 in a 338 WM... I've learned an awesome amount of chit on this forum! 
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Won't .270 ammo work in a .280? No, but there's an "elk hunter" on that same forum that uses the 280 in a 338 WM... I've learned an awesome amount of chit on this forum! See how versatile it is? Try that with a .270 round!
I probably hit more elk with a pickup than you have with a rifle. I have yet to see anyone claim Leupold has never had to fix an optic. I know I have sent a few back. 2 MK 6s, a VX-6, and 3 VX-111s.
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You're right. I checked my book and Jack calls them 'Winchester Pointed Expanding Bullets'. You're also correct that he was a big Silvertip fan.
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See how versatile it is? Try that with a .270 round!
Right? And here John's been "lying" about that B29 of his...
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C'mon this thread needs to keep going,just got some more popcorn and beverages.
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I really like all of the '06 based rounds I've tried.
But the more I work with the damn '06 itself it keeps making me think that's all a guy really needs
I probably hit more elk with a pickup than you have with a rifle. I have yet to see anyone claim Leupold has never had to fix an optic. I know I have sent a few back. 2 MK 6s, a VX-6, and 3 VX-111s.
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If in any given year I'm travelling to Asia, Australia/NZ, Europe or Africa (heck, even going up to Alaska or Canada) and spending tens of thousands of dollars on hunts, it's absolutely foolish to bring along a 280. You will not find 280 ammo. I will always find 270 Winchester ammo in some bullet weight or another and that's why my Model 70 in 270 Winchester is my all-around light deer/sheep/plains game cartridge; else, it's my 300 win mag or my 375 H&H or 416 rem mag depending on the scenario.
hummm, that's important folks... and I like the 280 so it's not prejudiced. Jerry
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