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I was in a local shop and they have a Savage 24V 30-30/20 Gauge with a case hardened receiver. How accurate does the rifle barrel tend to be? How far off are the shotgun and rifle barrels when placing shots down range?

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The barrels aren't regulated and there isn't a provision for regulating the POI to be in sync with the POA, so accuracy can be a crap shoot. I've had Savage 24Vs that would shoot 2 MOA and Savage 24Vs that would randomly spread shots over 6".

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I got luck with my 223/12 ga and the rifle makes 1.5 inch groups and the scope maintains zero shooting buck shot.

I use it for beaver shooting and the only issue is I have to aim 4 inches high for close range shotgun shots because thats about how much higher the scope is above the shotgun barrel...

If you pass on it, please tell me price and where because my brother may be interested in it.



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Originally Posted by 260Remguy
The barrels aren't regulated and there isn't a provision for regulating the POI to be in sync with the POA, so accuracy can be a crap shoot. I've had Savage 24Vs that would shoot 2 MOA and Savage 24Vs that would randomly spread shots over 6".


Thank you for the information.

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Originally Posted by humdinger
I got luck with my 223/12 ga and the rifle makes 1.5 inch groups and the scope maintains zero shooting buck shot.

I use it for beaver shooting and the only issue is I have to aim 4 inches high for close range shotgun shots because thats about how much higher the scope is above the shotgun barrel...

If you pass on it, please tell me price and where because my brother may be interested in it.



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No luck with the one I had a few year ago---30/30 was 6" +/- at 65yds, and 20 ga slugs centered about 24-30" below the 30/30.
I guess if good it's OK. My was crap.
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I have a 22/410 inherited from my granddad who bought in waaay back when....at the same time, I've always thought the 30/30 and 20 gauge combo would be the best of the batch for versatility....

my cousin ended up with our granddad's in those chamberings, and he used it on his farm on squirrels, rabbits with success and it rode in his farm truck come deer season.. taking a fair number of deer, with the amount of shots he's put at them...

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Originally Posted by Seafire
I have a 22/410 inherited from my granddad who bought in waaay back when....at the same time, I've always thought the 30/30 and 20 gauge combo would be the best of the batch for versatility....

my cousin ended up with our granddad's in those chamberings, and he used it on his farm on squirrels, rabbits with success and it rode in his farm truck come deer season.. taking a fair number of deer, with the amount of shots he's put at them...


I have always thought that the 223 over 20 gauge was the best of the batch for versatility.

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Originally Posted by Wallyfish
No luck with the one I had a few year ago---30/30 was 6" +/- at 65yds, and 20 ga slugs centered about 24-30" below the 30/30.
I guess if good it's OK. My was crap.
Wally


Wow! That is awful.

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Originally Posted by Seafire
I have a 22/410 inherited from my granddad who bought in waaay back when....at the same time, I've always thought the 30/30 and 20 gauge combo would be the best of the batch for versatility....

my cousin ended up with our granddad's in those chamberings, and he used it on his farm on squirrels, rabbits with success and it rode in his farm truck come deer season.. taking a fair number of deer, with the amount of shots he's put at them...


One of the older fellas I hunt with has the 222/20 and the 222 shoots really well with Remington 50 grain SP. I have no idea how the shotgun barrel shoots though. The 22/410 sounds like a fun combination to have too.

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I have a 222/20 that puts the 1st shot in the 10-ring, but the POI shifts 6" high until the barrel cools.

The 22/410 or 22M/410 is a fun woods loafing gun, light, handy, reasonably accurate. My 22M/410 has a Bushnell Banner 4x20 on it.

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I had a 22mg/20. The rifle barrel was accurate as hell with a scope on it. Must have killed 300 ground hogs and all kind of other critters and vermin with that thing before some sum bitch stole my truck. Got the truck back but the scum bag kept my gun.


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The 24V is used a lot by folks not well versed in combination guns. I've owned two of them in 30-30/20ga, the last being a trim straight grip model that shot very well. I didn't have much experience with the first one, which was one of the first production run.

The straight grip gun would shoot 1.5" groups with about any factory ammo. I had a Weaver K-2.5 60-B P&CH on it. The secret is to let the barrel cool well between shots. It climbed at 2 o'clock real fast if shot fast.

The shotgun pattern center with 1 oz #6 shot, mu chuckar load, was 10" low at 5 o'clock at 40 yards. I never tried slugs.

My lifelong friend still uses it in SE AK for grouse and Sitka deer. He actually prefers it to a drilling in 16/8X57JR and BBF in 12ga/308 I gave him when he moved back up after buying a fishing lodge, Flyquest Adventures Lodge at Whale Pass on Prince of Wales Island.

He took a moose and scads of ptarmigan with it when he lived in Moose Pass many years ago.

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I have several Savage 24s and a couple of German combination guns that my Father bought in Germany during the late 1950s or early 1960s.


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What has been your experience with the 24Vs as far as walking as they heat up? Mine is limited to the one I mentioned and very limited.


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Most of the Savage 24Vs that I have owned have had a wandering POI. IIRC, those with the barrels that are soldered together near the muzzle are the worst of the bunch.

The rimfire 24s are more consistent, but handicapped by the crappy triggers.

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Originally Posted by barm
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I have a 22/410 inherited from my granddad who bought in waaay back when....at the same time, I've always thought the 30/30 and 20 gauge combo would be the best of the batch for versatility....

my cousin ended up with our granddad's in those chamberings, and he used it on his farm on squirrels, rabbits with success and it rode in his farm truck come deer season.. taking a fair number of deer, with the amount of shots he's put at them...


One of the older fellas I hunt with has the 222/20 and the 222 shoots really well with Remington 50 grain SP. I have no idea how the shotgun barrel shoots though. The 22/410 sounds like a fun combination to have too.


My granddad bought that at the Western Auto in Union WVa ( pop about 400 people...) it was one of his favorite guns of what he had.....he preferred squirrel and rabbit over venison, he darn sure used it a lot...

It was bought before WW2, at least we were always told...
however, no serials on Savages from those periods.

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He had a good one. The workmanship was very good back then. cool


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I had a Savage 24 in 30/30 & 20 ga. After wanting one for a while I was disappointed by the poor handling. It was accurate enough and shot cast bullets really well but I sent it down the road. If I was after something similar I'd probably opt for a Baikal in 308 & 12 ga. More versatile, shotgun barrel has interchangeable chokes and comes with two triggers for instant selection without having to mess about with the barrel selector. Handles better too IMO.

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Originally Posted by JFE
I had a Savage 24 in 30/30 & 20 ga. After wanting one for a while I was disappointed by the poor handling. It was accurate enough and shot cast bullets really well but I sent it down the road. If I was after something similar I'd probably opt for a Baikal in 308 & 12 ga. More versatile, shotgun barrel has interchangeable chokes and comes with two triggers for instant selection without having to mess about with the barrel selector. Handles better too IMO.


I did a quick search online and Baikal looks to be Russian? If it breaks or you need parts, who can service it? Who imports it here?

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Baikal IZH-94s are indeed Russian and I don't know if they are currently being imported. An outfit called EAA, European-American Armory, and Remington have imported them in the past. Parts? Who needs parts in a disposable society?

I had an EAA IZH-94 in 12 over 6.5x55 and could never get it to shoot worth a damn. Sold it to a friend who just knew that he had the magic touch to make it shoot, but he gave up on it and, AFAIK, it is still sitting on the shelf where he put it in 2008(?).

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I purchased a Baikal in 12ga./.308 about three years ago and am very surprised at the accuracy of the .308 barrel.
So far I have used it on deer , pigs and coyote and have nothing bad to say about the gun. In fact , I have grown rather fond of it.
I don't think it is going to break anytime soon. After all , it is Russian. In that event I will find a gunsmith to repair it.
European American Armory still lists these in several distributor catalogs.

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Originally Posted by 260Remguy
Baikal IZH-94s are indeed Russian and I don't know if they are currently being imported. An outfit called EAA, European-American Armory, and Remington have imported them in the past. Parts? Who needs parts in a disposable society?

I had an EAA IZH-94 in 12 over 6.5x55 and could never get it to shoot worth a damn. Sold it to a friend who just knew that he had the magic touch to make it shoot, but he gave up on it and, AFAIK, it is still sitting on the shelf where he put it in 2008(?).


Thank you for the info.

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Originally Posted by Stan_in_SC
I purchased a Baikal in 12ga./.308 about three years ago and am very surprised at the accuracy of the .308 barrel.
So far I have used it on deer , pigs and coyote and have nothing bad to say about the gun. In fact , I have grown rather fond of it.
I don't think it is going to break anytime soon. After all , it is Russian. In that event I will find a gunsmith to repair it.
European American Armory still lists these in several distributor catalogs.

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Yes, they are Russian and are very robust, just not the prettiest firearms you can buy.
Surprised to hear they are not readily available in the US as they are quite common here.

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I scratched the 30-30-20 itch with this one, made by Staggs Built. Very accurate with Barnes 130's, and you can regulate it should you need to.

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Originally Posted by JFE
Yes, they are Russian and are very robust, just not the prettiest firearms you can buy.
Surprised to hear they are not readily available in the US as they are quite common here.


I wonder why they are easier to find down under than here? How are the priced in Australia?

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Originally Posted by Fireball2
I scratched the 30-30-20 itch with this one, made by Staggs Built. Very accurate with Barnes 130's, and you can regulate it should you need to.

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Wow! That is a neat looking combo gun. I have never seen one like it. Do you know any of the history behind it?

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Stagg Built was a Phoenix , AZ company that was around in the 1960's-1970's.They went under for copyright infringements. There were approximately 2000 20 gauge/30-30 built by them.
Latest price on Gunbroker was $650.
Very well made accurate and desirable guns.

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Originally Posted by barm
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Yes, they are Russian and are very robust, just not the prettiest firearms you can buy.
Surprised to hear they are not readily available in the US as they are quite common here.


I wonder why they are easier to find down under than here? How are the priced in Australia?


In the used gun market they would fetch something in the region of US$600-800. Combo guns generally aren't that sought after here.

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