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SW 329PD for me with 240 grain 1200 fps limited expansion bullet. This was after much research.
I suspect that anything that makes a loud bang will work 99% of the time.
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Phil, what kind of bullet were they?
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Double Wow  Good job Phil! TRIPLE WOW!  Good shooting, Phil.
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Buffalo Bore loads 147 gr hard cast bullets at 1100fps from a 4" bbl.
Phil Shoemaker Alaska Master Guide, Alaska Hunter Ed Instructor FAA Master pilot www.grizzlyskinsofalaska.comAnyone who claims the 30-06 is not effective has either not used one, or else is unwittingly commenting on their marksmanship.
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Holy crap! What a story.
Sounds like my Sig P226 with 16 rounds of that BB 147gr. just might be adequate after all.
I'd also pack an extra pair of titey whiteys.
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Oh, and as much as I appreciated the light weight of the little 9mm, it's larger magazine capacity and ability to rapidly make multiple hits, I am not yet ready to give up either my S&W M-65 357 or my S&W 44 Mtn Gun ! And the jury is still out on whether a pistol like my son's Hamilton Bowen 475 Linebaugh would have been an asset or a detriment as complete pass throughs could have endangered others. Plus I was able to achieve 3 hits with the 9mm, each eliciting a response from the bear, by the time it would have taken me to recover and shoot a second shot from the SA Linebaugh.
Wow! I only come here about once an week and was checking this specific topic since I was thinking of ordering a box or two of the Buffalo Bore for the upcoming season. The timing and your response in this situation is incredible. I hope the couple you were guiding left a good tip!!!! It is ironic that you alluded to the multiple hits vs possible 1 hit (or miss!) with a larger weapon. The last time I fired my 44 magnum, I wondered if I would be able to get off more than one shot under duress due to the recoil and how quickly an animal/attacker could be on me. Thank you for sharing this experience. I am ordering a couple boxes pronto!
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[...] I had originally offered my article of my testing with the ammo to Lee Hoots, the editor at Wolfe Publishing, but he says he is not interested as there is not sufficient interest in the subject. I will eventually explore the possibility of working with AK F&G or somewhere where the topic is relevent. Looking at the hits this thread received, I believe Mr. Hoots is of his editorial rocker.
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I was just in Juneau a few weeks ago and had my Glock 43 with buffalo bore ammo in it for hikes in the wilderness.
My friends thought I was stupidly under gunned. Now I feel much better about my decision.
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The BB ammo performed just as well from the Glock 43 and I did a lot of my testing with it as I knew it would be popular due to it's size and weight and actually had been carrying mine in the chest pocket of my Simms waders but the day of the incident was wearing hip boots so decided to take the S&W.
Another side note on my tests was that a lot of 9mm 115 gr fmj ammo , while not as deep penetrating as BB, was a pretty solid performer as well. And the little 30 cal Tokarev with steel jacket fmj was very close behind the BB 357 with 180 grs !
Phil Shoemaker Alaska Master Guide, Alaska Hunter Ed Instructor FAA Master pilot www.grizzlyskinsofalaska.comAnyone who claims the 30-06 is not effective has either not used one, or else is unwittingly commenting on their marksmanship.
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Mr Shoemaker;
Could you please write several books about your interesting life in Alaska.
Thank you in advance
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In the past 33 years of living and guiding on the Alaska peninsula from our families homestead I have never had to kill a bear in defense of live or property. DLP as the state refers to it. Thanks for sharing your story. It certainly contributes to the knowledge base of many!
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Mr Shoemaker;
Could you please write several books about your interesting life in Alaska.
Thank you in advance I'll second that. mike r
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Wow,Pretty impressive.I would like to read that article !.
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Phil, glad it worked out easy to get complacent living up here. I get used to my areas and often dont carry going to change my bad habits. Makes me feel better about my choice of the Glock 20 and 220 gr cast loads by BB. Take care Kurt
Did any of the 9 mm exit the bear?
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Has anyone used the 10mm Auto for bear protection?
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[...] I had originally offered my article of my testing with the ammo to Lee Hoots, the editor at Wolfe Publishing, but he says he is not interested as there is not sufficient interest in the subject. I will eventually explore the possibility of working with AK F&G or somewhere where the topic is relevent. Looking at the hits this thread received, I believe Mr. Hoots is of his editorial rocker. Yup!
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Did any of the 9 mm exit the bear?
I'm curious as well. Sounds like it very well may have been full length shot angles coming and going?
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Did any of the 9 mm exit the bear?
I'm curious as well. Sounds like it very well may have been full length shot angles coming and going? Talk about remaining cool on the stool MM, damn!
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Probably the best advice you will get is to learn to carry and deploy BEAR SPRAY effectively.
When applied by competent people,with the right intent, common sense goes along wayt
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I have used bear spray on a number of occasions and do recommended it -- but in this situation, where the bear came at a full charge through the brush and only appeared when he was within 6 feet of me and was between me and the clients within a very tight space, I am not so sure how effective bear spray would have been.
I admit it probably would have been better than than nothing
Phil Shoemaker Alaska Master Guide, Alaska Hunter Ed Instructor FAA Master pilot www.grizzlyskinsofalaska.comAnyone who claims the 30-06 is not effective has either not used one, or else is unwittingly commenting on their marksmanship.
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