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As I pointed out.
The big problem, however, is that CraigC apparently has little knowledge of the basics of interior ballistics. Combined with an obsessive need to "prove" the .44 Magnum is the only suitable heavy revolver cartridge on earth, this results in some interesting mental gymnastics. Explain. I have no need to prove anything, one way or another. The facts are what they are. I own 6 .45Colt's and 7 .44Mag's. I'm not arguing one over the other. Quite the contrary.
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You two are missing each other on this point. The pressure data John Barsness posted features revolvers with different barrel lengths. I know that. Craig claimed he used two identical revolvers, even in the same caliber identical would be difficult to achieve and they were in two different calibers. Simular or alike yes, identical, no.
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Explain.
I have no need to prove anything, one way or another. The facts are what they are. I own 6 .45Colt's and 7 .44Mag's. I'm not arguing one over the other. Quite the contrary.
Meh, you're determined to argue with anything that isn't your idea.
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As I pointed out.
The big problem, however, is that CraigC apparently has little knowledge of the basics of interior ballistics. Combined with an obsessive need to "prove" the .44 Magnum is the only suitable heavy revolver cartridge on earth, this results in some interesting mental gymnastics. Explain. I have no need to prove anything, one way or another. The facts are what they are. I own 6 .45Colt's and 7 .44Mag's. I'm not arguing one over the other. Quite the contrary. Got it. .429 is bigger than .452
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Now but you are being extremely obtuse. I have 2 S&W M29-2's bother with 6 1/2" barrel and on the same day with the same Ammo one is 50 to 80 FPS (depending on load) is faster than the other one
Simular E are alike, but not identical especially when they are not the same caliber plus the fact your data pales in comparison to hogdons because you have zero pressure data. You have not discovered any new truths, you just show a lack of understanding The guns are as close as you can make them and still resemble real guns that people buy over the counter. They're from the same maker, of the same vintage, have factory barrels and chambers. They are as close as two factory guns could be. Yeah, azzhole, I know that there are variations between individual guns but unless one of mine can be proven to be widely deviated from the norm, the test was valid. My loads are slower than Hodgdon's because they were fired from real guns, not pressure barrels. What do you mean I have no pressure data? All of Hodgdon's data has pressure levels. Now you're just arguing to argue. Admit it, it doesn't matter how the testing was conducted, you're going to argue with it because you don't like the results. YOU are the one with the agenda.
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Now but you are being extremely obtuse. I have 2 S&W M29-2's bother with 6 1/2" barrel and on the same day with the same Ammo one is 50 to 80 FPS (depending on load) is faster than the other one
Simular E are alike, but not identical especially when they are not the same caliber plus the fact your data pales in comparison to hogdons because you have zero pressure data. You have not discovered any new truths, you just show a lack of understanding The guns are as close as you can make them and still resemble real guns that people buy over the counter. They're from the same maker, of the same vintage, have factory barrels and chambers. They are as close as two factory guns could be. Yeah, azzhole, I know that there are variations between individual guns but unless one of mine can be proven to be widely deviated from the norm, the test was valid. My loads are slower than Hodgdon's because they were fired from real guns, not pressure barrels. What do you mean I have no pressure data? All of Hodgdon's data has pressure levels. Now you're just arguing to argue. Admit it, it doesn't matter how the testing was conducted, you're going to argue with it because you don't like the results. YOU are the one with the agenda. Hey, you nailed the holster guess, NOT. But your pussy hurt enough to start a thread about which you had to GUESS on. Only question I have, were both of your siblings parents retarded, or only one?
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Now but you are being extremely obtuse. I have 2 S&W M29-2's bother with 6 1/2" barrel and on the same day with the same Ammo one is 50 to 80 FPS (depending on load) is faster than the other one
Simular E are alike, but not identical especially when they are not the same caliber plus the fact your data pales in comparison to hogdons because you have zero pressure data. You have not discovered any new truths, you just show a lack of understanding The guns are as close as you can make them and still resemble real guns that people buy over the counter. They're from the same maker, of the same vintage, have factory barrels and chambers. They are as close as two factory guns could be. Yeah, azzhole, I know that there are variations between individual guns but unless one of mine can be proven to be widely deviated from the norm, the test was valid. My loads are slower than Hodgdon's because they were fired from real guns, not pressure barrels. What do you mean I have no pressure data? All of Hodgdon's data has pressure levels. Now you're just arguing to argue. Admit it, it doesn't matter how the testing was conducted, you're going to argue with it because you don't like the results. YOU are the one with the agenda. Number one I am not the azz hole here. Fact is you are now admitting what I said from the beginning. We're is the pressure data with your posted chrono'ed loads? Not there is where. Two different guns may or may not pressure up the same and that is the point. Mule Deers data has more merit since it is from Hogdon with pressure for each load and velocity.
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I care too. Which is why I have to refute misinformation when I see it. Do you really think you're talking to a moron here?
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I care too. Which is why I have to refute misinformation when I see it. Do you really think you're talking to a moron here?
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Number one I am not the azz hole here. Fact is you are now admitting what I said from the beginning. We're is the pressure data with your posted chrono'ed loads? Not there is where. Two different guns may or may not pressure up the same and that is the point. Mule Deers data has more merit since it is from Hogdon with pressure for each load and velocity. Not from where I'm sitting. You make an irrelevant point, as usual. As usual, you twist the argument to fit your answers. So now I have to test them in a pressure barrel for the test to be valid? Nonsense. How is that relevant to the world of real guns? What difference would it make anyway? The parameters you suggest would not be relevant to real world, real gun use. What happens in pressure barrels doesn't make a damned bit of difference to real world use. You're going in circles just to avoid the truth. How many different ways are you going to attack my efforts, just because you can't concede on a point? You're all hot air.
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I'll take rhetorical for $400, Alex..... This is how a witless idiot gets to 80,000 posts. Shameful.
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Now you're just arguing to argue. TFF
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Number one I am not the azz hole here. Fact is you are now admitting what I said from the beginning. We're is the pressure data with your posted chrono'ed loads? Not there is where. Two different guns may or may not pressure up the same and that is the point. Mule Deers data has more merit since it is from Hogdon with pressure for each load and velocity. Not from where I'm sitting. You make an irrelevant point, as usual. As usual, you twist the argument to fit your answers. So now I have to test them in a pressure barrel for the test to be valid? Nonsense. How is that relevant to the world of real guns? What difference would it make anyway? The parameters you suggest would not be relevant to real world, real gun use. What happens in pressure barrels doesn't make a damned bit of difference to real world use. You're going in circles just to avoid the truth. How many different ways are you going to attack my efforts, just because you can't concede on a point? You're all hot air. You need to sit somewhere else. It's only illerellevant if you don't understand it apparently.
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Number one I am not the azz hole here. Fact is you are now admitting what I said from the beginning. We're is the pressure data with your posted chrono'ed loads? Not there is where. Two different guns may or may not pressure up the same and that is the point. Mule Deers data has more merit since it is from Hogdon with pressure for each load and velocity. Not from where I'm sitting. You're all hot air. A quick look in a mirror will show the one full of hot air, no doubt
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What is it exactly that you think is wrong with the way I conducted my tests? You think that pressure barrels would make the results valid? Isn't that what's wrong with the Hodgdon data, that it doesn't apply to the real world?
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I haven't said one thing about your test, nothing right wrong or indifferent.
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We need 4ager in here to makes things really awesome.
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I haven't said one thing about your test, nothing right wrong or indifferent. God almighty damn, John! You just got through telling me that the results were invalid because the guns are not identical and I have no pressure data. Are you drinking this afternoon or what???
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Now you're arguing just for the sake of arguing.
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This whole thread is like a playground full of kids having a great time at recess with one kid alone on the teeter-totter telling everyone else they aren't having any fun...
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