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I honestly like and have hunted/killed with both cartridges.
However I would feel the 7 RM would cover ALL possibilities better but
that's just me.
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The Whelen is fine but a lighter rifle would be nice.
Better to spend the funds on good boots, good bino's and maybe a range finder as others have said. Plus the Nosler Ammo.
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Paul, I appreciate your response. I have since read extensively on the 7600, its design, many reviews, and conclude that I stand highly corrected, on believing the opinion of an old gunsmith. It appears that he had a bias against 7600. And, in believing his opinion of the 7600, I was wrong. It would have benefitted me if previous posters would have directed me to publications, or even explained how the 7600 design and mounting system helps to give it great accuracy even at long distances. But since previous posters had no intention of educating me, preferring instead, to respond as jerks, they demeaned the old gunsmith, whom I regarded as a friend. Badmouthing began on THEIR end, probably fueling their egos by a few brews. What they think of me is really none of my business. They know what I think of them. They started out taking the low road at the git go. Just to let you know, I've read magazine articles by writers I have a lot of respect for. They stated that pump action rifles have no ability to group shots. So your gunsmith falls in good company. Before 7600's came out I found out that it was difficult to get 760's to shoot well off sand bags. But after I learned how, they shot fine. The 7600 is a very accurate rifle but many poo hoo'd the 7600 without trying them. Perhaps your gunsmith read those articles too. The only issue I have with the 7600's is their recoil pad. I have arthritis and bersitus I need a soft recoil pad even on low recoil rounds such as the 270. But that's due to my short comings not the 7600. If you're shooting good groups off bags you are doing well. That 7600 in 35 Whelen is an awesome rifle. I believe it is good for any animal in the Western Hemisphere. Also don't believe it when people tell you it isn't any good for longer distances a decent 200 to 225 grain bullet loaded to 60,000 PSI is a fairly flat shooting cartridge. Just look at the bc on the bullet, look at the velocity, then look at the tables. My brother reliably took deer to 450 yards with his whelen. I hope to see more of your posts.
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I'd get a 300 WBY. There's nothing better for elk
I probably hit more elk with a pickup than you have with a rifle. I have yet to see anyone claim Leupold has never had to fix an optic. I know I have sent a few back. 2 MK 6s, a VX-6, and 3 VX-111s.
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Split the difference. Get a 32 Special
I prefer classic. Semper Fi I used to run with the hare. Now I'm envious of the tortoise and I do my own stunts but rarely intentionally
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I personally wouldn't worry about what people say. I would concern my self with what I can do. Shoot the one you own. If you can't shoot it as far and as tight as you need, loan a different rifle and see if you can shoot that one better. If you can clearly see a difference buy a different rifle. Or loan one, or shoot your brother in laws, or sneak closer. Or buy an archery tag. I think a 35 wheeled would be ample elk medicine.
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You have the rifle! Get in shape and have your boots broken in, spend the extra dollars on good glass.
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For years I took either a 300 WSM or 7mmRM but every animal shot was under 300 yards and most right around 200.
Next trip will be my 35 Whelen and my 30-06 as backup....
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Don't be worried about the 35 Whelen on an elk hunt. I took one on several hunts and finally took a small bull at a tad over 300 yds. DRT and whip out the camera. I also was pushing a 225 gr TSX @ 2700 fps.
JOC was right. The 270 Winchester on a Model 70 is a great combination as is the 30/06 and 375 H&H
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So the girlfriend has bro. Wants me to come out Colorado. 300 yd longest shot he has taken should I get a 7 mag or just take the whelen? Perfect excuse for a new rifle, not that a guy needs an excuse The Whelen will handle the chore quite well if need be, even at 3 hundy A slouch the whelen is not.
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Both will kill. I hunted with a 7Mag with good success for years, then acquired a 35Whelen, the difference between the two are more one shot knock downs with the Whelen than the 7.
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It's a remmy 7600 though. Shoots nice tight groups. I'm a midwest whitetail hunter. Got a savage 300 99 and a 250 sav ruger 77. That is my battery. Pretty lame. No mags I remember reading years ago a statement by John Jobson I believe. He said, concerning elk hunting, "If you see someone carrying a 300 Savage he probably knows something you don't." As a couple others suggested the 300 is also fully capable of dumping an elk. You already have an adequate elk package. I'd suggest the Whelen as primary and also take the Sav99 for backup. Jim
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Curious to see what the OP will do.
All of them do something better than the 30-06, but none of them do everything as well.
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SLDUCK,
If a bullet from a big game cartridge destroys an elk's heart and/or lungs, it will die. So take the rifle with which you're most confident.
I've used 160 grain Partitions out of my 7MM Rem Mag. Elk died.
A .280 Rem might just be a great way to kill elk.
I haven't seen any big game animal go very far after its topside oxygenated blood flow stopped. Nothing living remains in that condition very long without stuff necessary for oxygenating blood and pumping it topside.
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+100 Best Elk hunter I ever knew killed well over 100. 1894 special order Winchester rifle in 30-30. His best quote: "Son you a'int huntin' Elk till' you can smell them.: Take the 35 with TSXs or partitions, get close. As for the silly debate on accuracy. Scope mounting has zero to do with accuracy differences. Pumps and semis are just not as stiff end to end as a well bedded bolt gun. That said "minute of Elk" as ethical ranges <300 is so big, a rifle that groups 5" will kill every time. Remember a 5" group is only 2.5" off the POA. My go to rifle shoots 3 165 TSXs @3100 in 1" all day long, although my best was killed @18 paces with a .61 flinter and yes, I could smell him.
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Someone above asked what does a M7600 weigh? Well, I just weighed one of mine in 35W with a 2-7VX2 on it and in came in at 7.90#. On a trip to northern Idaho some years ago I took both a Rem 700--7Mag, and the 7600 35W. After the first day, that heavy 7Mag stayed in the tent. Those with no experience with 760's/7600's don't have a clue how accurate and lightweight they are. AND, NO, they DO NOT rattle. A 225 grain AB, TTBC, NP, TTSX does rather well in the Whelen on NA big game. A bit much for deer but certainly does the job. WN
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Go with the 7 Rem with 160 partitions
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Go for the romance, take the Whelen
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