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Ken: Yes, I do want to shoot a .358 NM. Thank you. Regarding the brass, it's not the belt, per se, rather it's the increased recoil, muzzle blast and the 'magnum' designation. I've never been crazy about magnums when 'lesser' cartridges can do nearly the same thing and be more pleasant to shoot.
l told my pap and mam I was going to be a mountain man; acted like they was gut-shot. Make your life go here. Here's where the peoples is. Mother Gue, I says, the Rocky Mountains is the marrow of the world, and by God, I was right.
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A .35 Whelen can't do "nearly the same thing" that a .358 NM can do.  If it's recoil then stay with the Whelen,nothing wrong with it.
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A .35 Whelen can't do "nearly the same thing" that a .358 NM can do. If it's recoil then stay with the Whelen,nothing wrong with it. I didn't realize the .358NM was so much more effective, and yes, recoil is a concern.
l told my pap and mam I was going to be a mountain man; acted like they was gut-shot. Make your life go here. Here's where the peoples is. Mother Gue, I says, the Rocky Mountains is the marrow of the world, and by God, I was right.
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Ken: That's a beaut! Is that an M70? I can't wait to shoot it!
l told my pap and mam I was going to be a mountain man; acted like they was gut-shot. Make your life go here. Here's where the peoples is. Mother Gue, I says, the Rocky Mountains is the marrow of the world, and by God, I was right.
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Ruger M 77 tang safety. Now I got to load some shells for it.
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The 358 NM is an awesome cartridge even in a 22" barrel. The Norma and the 358 win are the only two 35s I could give care about. I had a 35 Whelen but happily convinced myself into a 9.3x62.
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The 358 NM is an awesome cartridge even in a 22" barrel. The Norma and the 358 win are the only two 35s I could give care about. I had a 35 Whelen but happily convinced myself into a 9.3x62. Why? What's your reasoning?
l told my pap and mam I was going to be a mountain man; acted like they was gut-shot. Make your life go here. Here's where the peoples is. Mother Gue, I says, the Rocky Mountains is the marrow of the world, and by God, I was right.
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I had a 358 Norma for a while and it is a really good round, 2750 fps with 250's and 3070 fps with the 200 gr TTSX from a 22" barrel. I have had a 35 Whelen for many years and decided the extra 200 fps of the Norma wasn't worth it to me for the extra recoil. Other's may feel otherwise but I am more than happy with the standard 35 Whelen for my "big" gun.
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Has anyone considered a 7600 in 35 whelen? Cheap synthetic replacement stock, duracoat the steel parts($40) and you've got a fast repeater bear thumper!! I have a Whelen AI in a 7600 and due to concerns about the reduced extraction from the pump gun I full length resize and back off top end a bit with it. Turns into a couple compromises that I would not do again...
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Brown bear wise, my buddy has guided since I can't recall when now...
His backup was 338 win mag and it worked all the time. He now runs 416 Ruger.
Just shot a pretty big bear for himself this year, first one for him ever. Said he wished he'd brought the 416. Not sure what that meant as I have not had time to talk to him since then. He has been busy and just sent a few pictures and htat note.
He has said before, that for some reason the only rounds he has been impressed with are 458 and 460, IF the hunter can shoot, those have been impressive stop/droppers.
Though many rounds kill.
Nothing said here on this thread would change my mind from 35 whelen as its what you want. Its why I went 338-06. Its what I wanted.
If specifically after big bears, I am likely to carry a larger round. Always wanted a 416 Rem and a 458 Lott for whatever reasons.
That said if it was a hurry up trip, I"d grab something smaller that I already had and realize my limits and just keep going. Hmmm. Like Sitka dumb fu ck said there's not such thing as knock down power. Why aren't you using a .223 Rem? Considering the source, I feel better knowing you are too slow to see the obvious, idiot.
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l told my pap and mam I was going to be a mountain man; acted like they was gut-shot. Make your life go here. Here's where the peoples is. Mother Gue, I says, the Rocky Mountains is the marrow of the world, and by God, I was right.
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The 358 NM is an awesome cartridge even in a 22" barrel. The Norma and the 358 win are the only two 35s I could give care about. I had a 35 Whelen but happily convinced myself into a 9.3x62. Why? What's your reasoning? High_Noon, I wanted 9.3x62. The 35 Whelen is a decent cartridge but feel I get more out of a 9.3 performance wise on game. Additionally, I have a handful of medium bores and often what is above or below, or lack there of, dicrates what stays or gets replaced. I think we all kinda do that. I am not terribly fond of 35s anyway. I had made a short 20 inch rem 700 358 win and that gun was an awesome woods rifle/berry picker. And befor I got my own, I saw a mountain side full of game taken with the 358 Norma by my good friend. I like the big Sweed. Again, nothing wrong with the 35 Whelen but I'd rather have a 9.3x62 over one. What else is there to say? The 35 Whelen is a rifle that shoots bullets. I'd be happy. With a 30-06, 338 wm, 35 Whelen, 9.3x62, or 375 H&H.
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High_Noon,
I wanted 9.3x62. The 35 Whelen is a decent cartridge but feel I get more out of a 9.3 performance wise on game. Additionally, I have a handful of medium bores and often what is above or below, or lack there of, dicrates what stays or gets replaced. I think we all kinda do that. I am not terribly fond of 35s anyway. I had made a short 20 inch rem 700 358 win and that gun was an awesome woods rifle/berry picker. And befor I got my own, I saw a mountain side full of game taken with the 358 Norma by my good friend. I like the big Sweed. Again, nothing wrong with the 35 Whelen but I'd rather have a 9.3x62 over one.
What else is there to say? The 35 Whelen is a rifle that shoots bullets. I'd be happy. With a 30-06, 338 wm, 35 Whelen, 9.3x62, or 375 H&H. Sounds reasonable to me. I too am considering the 9.3x62. For me, I think what it will boil down to is what rifle I can find that has the characteristics I'm looking for, be it .35W or 9.3x62.
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l told my pap and mam I was going to be a mountain man; acted like they was gut-shot. Make your life go here. Here's where the peoples is. Mother Gue, I says, the Rocky Mountains is the marrow of the world, and by God, I was right.
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The 358NM is a different breed of cartridge from the Whelen... It has 375H&H type performance (and recoil) with a little lighter bullets and recoil. I had a 721 rebarreled for the cartridge and it is the single worst piece of machining I have ever seen. The leade is completely missing on one side because the chamber is so far off-center! And that is only one of MANY special features...
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Sitka deer: That really sucks. Did the smith refuse to stand behind his work - did you not have any recourse?
l told my pap and mam I was going to be a mountain man; acted like they was gut-shot. Make your life go here. Here's where the peoples is. Mother Gue, I says, the Rocky Mountains is the marrow of the world, and by God, I was right.
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It is a bit more tangled than that... barrel is useless, action would likely cost more to fix than it is worth and the smith is dead.
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I'm sorry to hear that. Getting screwed like that is really frustrating. I'd be lying if I said I haven't considered such a scenario with a semi-custom or a custom build.
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l told my pap and mam I was going to be a mountain man; acted like they was gut-shot. Make your life go here. Here's where the peoples is. Mother Gue, I says, the Rocky Mountains is the marrow of the world, and by God, I was right.
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