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Louis...I tried them...and tried them...in a variety of cf .22s with the following twists 8,9,10,12,14 from .222s to .22-250s and I just plain couldn't get them to shoot to any degree of satisfaction.
Im a HUGE TTSX fan 50 or 55 grainers though Im sure 62s would work too....Also have had good results with 55 and 60 gr. Hornadys, the 63 gr. Sierra SMP....the 60 Nosler Partition wouldn't shoot quite as well as Id like, though it will shoot an inch, which realistically is better than you need. It performs well when it lands on something. Where talking Blacktails here, most being antelope sized, but even a big one of over 200 lbs, the advice given by Ingwe is about all ya need to know. I'd like to add my personal favorite which Tom left out, and that is the good old Speer 70 grain SMP. Its more than happy with a one in 12 Twist. NO need to reinvent the wheel here. As said, proper shot placement and you've got venison on the table.
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Shot the 62 Sciroccos in both a #1 .223 and a Noveske barreled AR today. Meh, 1.25" to 1.5" groups. They were seated about .010 to .015" off the lands in the Ruger
The #1 put 5 Berger 77gr into 7/16", so I know it's got a good barrel. I may try seating the Sciroccos to kiss the lands and see if they do better.
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"...the left considers you vermin, and they'll kill you given the chance..." Bristoe
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One could argue I should just shoot these, and not worry any more...  ![[Linked Image]](http://i712.photobucket.com/albums/ww127/tex_n_cal/20160807_152955_zpsq1doikrc.jpeg)
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That your thinking of anything besides a 7_08 is somewhat mind boggling! Glad you didn't bring that crap here from the fish group!
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no need for any cannon like the 7/08 when the 223 and great bullets will kill any deer that walks.
Though I can honestly say I've not shot a deer with the 223 past 600 yards as of today.... but out to that I've not lost a single one....
We can keep Larry Root and all his idiotic blabber and user names on here, but we can't get Ralph back..... Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, over....
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That your thinking of anything besides a 7_08 is somewhat mind boggling! Glad you didn't bring that crap here from the fish group! I love this stuff! The grammatical and typos errors go good with this thought process. 
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That your thinking of anything besides a 7_08 is somewhat mind boggling! Glad you didn't bring that crap here from the fish group! Ha! Where do you think I caught the 7mm-08 bug? ![[Linked Image]](http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w84/pharmseller/IMG_2988_zps35396acc.jpg) P
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I have no clue of where you hunt. I'm guessing where deer are small, killed at close distance, and at low altitude. I hunt the Rockies exclusively. Nothing is ever ideal when elevation is above 7000' and all you can see are towering peaks. Wind gusts, sage brush, off-the-charts blood pressure, sucking air for oxygen, and you think you're going to make a very marginal cartridge work? I have never, ever, ever and never seen any hunter hunting any big game in the Rockies with a .22 center fire. In fact, I'd go with every Rocky Mountain state having laws proscribing use of .22 center fire cartridges for big game hunting.
LMAO. Internet GOLD. Travis
Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
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I didn't see that..Ive got him on ignore...but you are right..its GOLD! 
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I have killed several deer using my .223AI 8" twist with the 53grTSX, 62grTTSX and my daughter used the 64gr BSB on a big doe. The shot was around 120yds and she busted both shoulders, the exit was the size of a quarter. The doe made about a 60yd death sprint before giving up the ghost. All three bullets performed similar with a complete pass through, some have dropped on the spot and others have made a short death sprint...all died within sight. She now says the .223AI is her rifle. Lol I may need a .22-250AI with a 8" twist to go with the .223AI. ![[Linked Image]](http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c369/12970/Mobile%20Uploads/2014-11/399D64E9-A20A-440A-B326-6057F0C25684_2.jpg) ![[Linked Image]](http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c369/12970/Mobile%20Uploads/2014-11/500FAB4A-12EF-4678-B5D8-A7FC84CE6973_1.jpg)
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Isn't a .22-250 AI overkill?  Did you have any trouble getting the 64 BSB to shoot?
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IIRC without looking at my notes I was getting 3/4" groups @ just over 3,200ft/s. The 53gr TSX and 62gr TTSX were more accurate but to be fair I have not really played with the BSB.
I found a decent load using H335 and loaded them up for her to use. I had a 150yd limit on the distance I would let her shoot since this was her first deer hunt.
In fact I decided to get a box of the BSB after you made a post about them expanding so much. I wanted something that would dig deep and expand in case my daughter's shot was less than perfect.
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They do indeed 'perform' above and beyond what you expect, but I just plain couldn't get them to shoot well in anything. Closest I came was 1 inch groups in my 1 in 12 .223AI...and they were only an inch when the stars lined up...
Too bad too, cause the bullet is a sure killer...
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I think I have a box of 64 BSB's...might have to try crowding the lands of the #1 and see if they'll shoot better that way.
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Alright Poobs and Tex, what's the BSB abbreviation? Brigade Support Battalion? ......................I'm thinking 64 gr Noslers?
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"...the left considers you vermin, and they'll kill you given the chance..." Bristoe
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Good job getting that young lady out and getting it done Coach. Fine job buddy, oh BTW, can't tell that that little Fishman in your avatar is one of your pups either.
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Thanks for the clarification Oh Scholar of all things linguistic. 
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Good job getting that young lady out and getting it done Coach. Fine job buddy, oh BTW, can't tell that that little Fishman in your avatar is one of your pups either. Thanks gunner. Yeah my boy is screwed! Lol I hope he grows out of it and starts looking more like his mother, he skipped the .223AI with the 64gr BSB and jumped on a 6.5 Creed and 140gr A-Max. ![[Linked Image]](http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c369/12970/Hunting%20Victims/759A2BF9-3798-405F-A203-87D1B2EF2EC3.jpg) She likes to fish more than hunt. Here she is this past spring with a couple of slabs. ![[Linked Image]](http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c369/12970/EE201519-47E5-4DA8-BF09-D11D155E4E0C.jpg)
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