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Gunner, mount a go pro on the end of your barrel and let us see how it works out for you. Maybe we can judge the bang flops etc...

gunner, if you like the 35, you'd love the 9.3x62mm

How about 7.92 x 57...

I have been watching this thread since it's inception, waiting to see if anyone would actually give what I consider to be THE best answer. A couple have touched upon it, but nobody has really put it into concise terms.

The answer is (drumroll please):

Shoot the deer where the scapula and humerus meet (Or just slightly behind it). Break that joint and it's good night Irene every time. It will produce a bang flop (with quick death, no running, struggling, or getting up) more reliably than any other shot placement, including head, neck, heart or high shoulder.....

Nope, I've shot that joint a couple of times on accident, and they run.

I've seen both joints doubled and seen em wheelbarrow themselves into the brush before expiring.

Since I've seen that, and I've never seen a head shot deer move, I think I don't agree with your statement at all.

That's okay. But you are wrong

Right here at the crosshair, or at said joint right next to crosshair will bang flop a deer and keep it there, more reliably than any other shot. I have done it more times than I can remember.

BTDT - slugs, ML and centerfire bullets. No guarantee of a flop - and, if you get one, don't expect the deer to be in that exact spot when you arrive.

That is the boiler room of the central nervous system. It imparts more shock to CNS than any other shot. It drops every deer, every time IME.

Obviously a brain shot will produce a fast kill also. But it is not as high percentage of a shot.

The high shoulder shot you spoke of earlier kind of does same thing. Only to a lesser effect and deer will still flop, but will not die as fast. And may flop around and try to get up for a while before it dies......

I think the scapula shot or high shoulder shot gives you the best chance of bang/flop but there are no guarantees. Watch these two videos:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zcDmsECHDiU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRnL_Mk2p9E

Okay so I just learned a couple of new terms today when I was trying to find the above deer vitals pic that illustrated my point. The area I am referring to is apparently called the "autonomic plexus" or "hilar zone":





The above was taken from Terminal Ballistics Research. There are other places where I found the same types of statements, but TBR pretty much summed up exactly what I was trying to convey. My experience with said shot placement, as stated, has always been the same. Time and time again. DRT deer. For those who stated they experienced runners, or no guarantee of a flop, well, that just doesn't even seem possible to me. JME.

From a different article:

FWIW, I used to be a big fan of this shot. But I can tell you with no uncertainty, that the deer will not dies as quickly as with the shot I described. The only other shot that will kill as fast is a brain shot.

The last sentence of the last paragraph above pretty much describes the high shoulder shot.....

That would be a fun idea BSA, damn sure wouldn't work with my Sharps rifles, that black powder BOOM cloud would kill the movies.

Oh yes, I love my 9.3-62mm too, 320 gr Woodleighs at 2400 get the nod there.

Sorry. Not true IME.

It's an excellent shot that gives positive results and quick death IME . But I have smashed that joint to atoms,quartering on where the bullet was constructed well enough to damage the chest vitals as well and penetrate clear back behind the off side ribs, on not only deer sized game but larger animals as well and they still made SOME tracks.

I am distrustful of those "every time" shots.Nor in absolutes when it comes to this stuff. When an animal collapses instantly to the shot my first reaction is to reload, stay with him, and be ready to shoot again immediately.Seen plenty of broken "rules".

Don't buy into the Berger fragmenting bullet business either for normal distances. The shot placement advice was good but thats where it ends for me.I've seen bullets smashed to atoms on deer shoulders and break legs and all you got was three legged wounded buck or elk.

They make about as many tracks as a deer shot in the brain when hit correctly. It shuts eveything down----instantly.

Anyway, said shot is best advice I can give OP........

Three inches off low-pull it a little, misjudge distance-and you're into brisket. Three to four inches higher or a couple right is the smart bet.

Nor is that bundle of nerves all that big of a target and knowing its exact location hidden inside is mostly a guess.

Bob, the only absolute Ive seen is that when a well hit critter collapses on the spot,rear end first, then the front end follows...said critter is not getting up....



a number of different shot placements will accomplish this. But like you, if the critter goes down like a rug has been yanked out from under it, I'm reloaded and watching it through the scope for a while....

Gotta agree Ingwe.

When the ass end drops, followed by the front end, that animal is DOWN.

Any animal that instantly falls in a different fashion I get suspicious about, and jack another round in for a couple minutes...waiting...

Ingwe that's an interesting observation. Never really thought about it.

Where are all the points of aim to hit that small bundle when they are not 90 degree perfect broadside? Or are they always? 😏