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Anybody have any input or suggestions for such a build? Would be looking to use standard AR lower. Utmost precision not required as this would be primarily for fun and plenty of cheap steel ammo...
The Daytona tactical kit has an appealing price but have heard sketchy things about their customer service.. Any tips or advice is much obliged..

Personally,

I would get one of the lowers designed to use AK mags, and plenty of East German steel mags to go with it.

Is there a source for those lowers you know of? I'd have to get one.

OP; you gotta go with AK mags with the curve because the rounds are tapered too much for a straight mag to work well. That is the thing. RRA has a lower that accomodates the AK mags but I don't know if they sell it for a part; I have only seen the complete rifles.

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2014/12/foghorn/new-cmmg-mk47-mutant-ar-15-7-62x39/

CMMG sells them as complete lowers. MSRP is about $600.

Thanks.

Cert, never had an AR derivative 7.62x39, but can vouch for the Eastern block steel mags. BTW- Forget the Russian "wood" brown. Overpriced and garbage. Lips will degrade, if they aren't already when you get them, expensive, and.. just plain schit. Go with Eastern bloc steel. PS- New isn't much more than used.

I hear you guys on the mags and I've read the dedicated AK mag lowers are a little more reliable but those are a bit more coin.. Was definetly looking to go the cheaper route on this one, hence giving thought to the Daytona tactical package.

Flave, you were jockin DT a while back no? Speak at me...

I have not used a communist upper but I have used Daytona Tactical.

Matter of fact 'flaveprecision runs Daytona Tactical exclusively.

We also run Smith & Wesson.

And Colts.




Clark

What am I missing? Cheap steel 223 is 25 cents a round and cheap steel case X39 is 25 cents a round, what value do you see in X39 AR upper? All I see is more problems for the same cost.

There will be no problems with DT.




Clark

Jimmy... I hear you, and have no decent answer other than something a little different to play with..
If enough guys said they had tried it and it was a goat!$%# I'd likely pass but until then I gotta support the economy best I can:)

If anybody has experienced those problems I'd like to hear about them..

good read.
http://www.alloutdoor.com/2014/11/25/making-ar-15-7-62x39-work-reliably/

Thanks 'stalker.. Some good points there

got me ordering a new barrel from deltateamtactical

Tag

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I recently bought a Stoner complete 7.62x39 upper w/bcg from Midway along with two 30 and one 10 round Stoner mags.

300+ rounds of Winchester, Remington, PPU, Hornady, Tula and handloads without a malfunction. One light primer strike on the Tula. 1.5" groups at 100 with all but Winchester and Tula which opened up to about 2.5"

Thanks ken..ill check those out

Palmetto has a deal, expires noon today, on their "KS-47" AR lower that takes AK mags.

http://palmettostatearmory.com/ks47-lower-receiver-ksb-retail.html

A downside is it only works with their upper - but their prices & selections are decent, so I ordered one. Will be interesting to see how well it works.

http://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-16-ks47-classic-carbine.html

I had no idea PSA had one of these. Good price too.

I got mine from Olympic Arms nice flat top and a threaded bull barrel--the mags were about $16 ea. when I bought 10

had no idea Oly made one. every oly i have had was superb

The online reviews for the KS-47's are pretty good.

Of course, the last AK I bought also had very good online reviews...

Nice thing about the olympic 7.62 x 39 lower is the mag well takes standard 223 mags--so change the bolt and upper to shoot 223

I. Assume you mean the Mutant in 7.62 x 39 which is not a 15 or a 10 size receiver and I twill only work with a CMMG Mutant upper.

Well with flave precision vouching for em I went ahead with the Daytona tactical package and C products 10 round magazine. As soon as it arrives and gets slapped together I'll give some feedback if anybody wants...

My KS-47 lower is here. Now I just need the matching upper & parts

i ended up buying a Radical arms upper and a bcg from primary arms. also bought 2 asc 30 round mags
it arrived today and i slapped it on a psa Blackhawk lower that also arrived today.
the only ammo i had was some i had loaded for a ak47 that was stolen last summer. i forget the internals of the load but the bullet was a cast Lee .
put a fastfire on top and burned 2 mags to see how it would do. 4 inches at 100 with the FF and tired eyes.
had 2 failures to feed but both were from lite loads. could hear they were lite and didn't even have to look.
all in all i really like it. now to work up some good jacketed loads.
going to give Radical a call and find out the bore size tomorrow . wont matter with the cast but might with jacketed.
i could slug the barrel but a phone call is so much easier.

What's the status?????





Clark

Everything went together sweet..it's ready roll. Most likely just going to top it with a Burris ff3 I have laying around and let if fly.
The tutelage and support of flave precision will not go unrewarded ..

I wanna see this thing get up and running.




Travis

Is brass cased Russian cheaper than blackout?
Is running Russian bulk through an AR more accurate or reliable than through an AK?
So...
If you want 2200 in a 125 run by BO in the AR.
If you want to burn bulk steel run an AK.

The original question makes as much sense as buying an AK in blackout that takes AR magazines.

Gentleman...flave,
I got this rifle out to shoot Friday and just wanted to report on the results for those who may care..

I bought this with the sole purpose of a steady diet of cheap steel ammo and that's what I fed it. Maybe 200 rounds thru it this time..I had read plenty of the issues of FTF due the very hard primers used in the russain ammo but wanted to give it a go before any modifications were made just to see wtf...
Turns out this is true and approx 40% of rounds would not fire on the first try, but all of those firing with the second go.. Not really surprised and not really dissapointed. A modified firing pin and Wolff trigger spring should hit the door today and we'll see how that works. $15 worth of parts and all the reviews say these will solve the issue. Unfortunately didn't have any domestically produced 762x39 ammo on hand but would have liked to try that just for fun.
The gun cycled perfectly and fed fine from c-product straight 10 round mags, which is the mag DT recommended.
Had a Burris AR-f3 sight mounted and liked the way it worked. Plenty easy to keep all rounds in the black with various makes of Russian surplus. Tula was some of the worst in regards to FTF..
Will get the firing pin and spring installed and report back..
All in all pretty pleased with the kit and plan on having lotsa fun hammering on it in the future

UBE.




Dave

Palmetto got the parts in to allow me to finish a KS-47, so I have them on order. The barrel is nitrided 4150, so it should be a durable rifle and reasonably useful. This kit includes a 13" Keymod handguard. They also have the lower receivers in stock.

If you want an AR that takes AK mags, the KS47 is probably the least expensive way to get there.

Let us know how it goes Tex..

Cert, when you get the primer strike problem solved, watch for sales on Wolf ammo. Here's some at $.21/rd.

https://www.ammograb.com/762x39mm/

Just checked some invoices from 11-12 years ago, and prices really haven't changed all that much. I was paying between $.17 and $.21/rd at that time. So yes, it is still a viable and relatively inexpensive cartridge to shoot.

Suggest you stick with Wolf, Wolf Military Classic or spam cans. I rarely if ever have had feed or go-bang problems with these in my AK's.

Line your garbage cans with the Tula. I've heard more people talk about problems with Tula in many different calibers lately than I care to recall.

Have fun, bud.

Much obliged dirt...

If you start breaking bolts there are options.
Lower bolt is stronger than a mil spec bolt but still works with mil spec extensions, uses a milled extractor not mim.
Top bolt tested 34% stronger than a mil spec bolt but needs a matching extension to work. That extension will work with the 750XD bolt AND mil spec bolts.

Took the rifle out again today. First I installed only the longer firing pin to see if that alone was enough to rectify the FTF's. First mag ran great but second mag started having light strikes and FTF again. So swapped in the enhanced trigger spring. Proceeded to run at least 100 rounds of various russain ammo thru the gun without another issue. Thing is a lot of cheap fun to hammer away on with the Burris ff3

Will say that this barrel does seem to pick up a lotta copper... Not sure if its just a rougher barrel or maybe due the cheaper ammo/bullets being used? Either way it's not a problem just takes some cleaning that's for sure...

Palmetto is running a sale on some of their KS-47 stuff

Blem lowers for $159.99

http://palmettostatearmory.com/blem-psa-ks47-lower-receiver-7793198.html

The rest of the parts, and ten Pmags for $569.99

http://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-...-10-magpul-pmag-30-ak-moe-magazines.html

Tex how did yours turn out?

I did get the parts and they seem fine. There seems to be a large raggedy Dodge pickup that followed me home, and it is taking up my spare time.

Cool, Cert. Glad to hear ya got it running well.

Yeah, typical Russki sidebar on the fouling. Just run some 3 mile island bore cleaner down the barrel and have at it.

Lots of cheap fun ahead.

Keenly interested in how it goes.

Ran another 200 rounds thru the gun today and it's working great. Kept the bolt pretty wet and that does make things a little easier..

You wild bitch.




Dave

Lube was flying everywhere..
You gonna put one of these together?

Nah.

I'm .223 guy.

But I love your build regardless.




Travis