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I have wanted a novasect (sp) for a long time.
5.56/

Now what do you guys think about this brand?
Quality etc.

Noveske.

Premier, high end brand. If you want to spend the money, you won't go wrong.

MM

Thanks for the correct spelling.

Looking for quality cause I sure never learned to build one.

This one is in the gun library at Cabela's, new. Didn't even know they carried that brand.
I'll go ahead and keep the other Ar I have if I get the Noveske.
Wanted one for years

Cabelas buys anything the can make a buck on.
The library works on a 35% profit. So whatever the price is they paid 35% less for it.
Don't be afraid to negotiate.

you don't build an AR, you just put the pieces together. I did one years ago at age of 17 IIRC, with a book I'd never read before....

But it does take time the first time and a few tools help, specialty tools.

You'll not go wrong with a noveske.

OTOH depending on what you pay for it, you might be able to pay the same and have a custom upper done, thats even more accurate. Or you might even have a custom or semi custom done as accurate for less money just depending.

Thing is, by the time you figure it all out, sometimes time is money for sure....

Thanks for the answers guys.

I was talking to a friend on the phone most of my shopping trip to Cabelas yesterday and just forgot to go back into the room and visit about this brand. Have liked them for a long time but could not hold one.
Will go out today again to hold one and maybe go the one step further.
We'll see.

Twist seems to be 1/7, don't know anything about the trigger and all the rest of the stuff. I'm a lefty so all must work up to a point for me. Want no brass in the face, etc.
I think this Noveske would shoot more accurate than my current AR.
Which is a piston operated heavy 5.56. Yes it's that brand Rost.
Don't have to ever clean it, but want lighter and more accurate AR.
This model may fit the bill.

Don't worry about the brass hitting you in the face. All ARs since the A2s have a case deflector.

Thanks Barry, I'm getting old, forgot and do own one.

LOL Ruger isn't a bad gun, I just still hate him for his politics... Rarely clean my DI guns... LOL. Maybe every 500 or so rounds at the least as an interval... some that I don't shoot much, that are more hunting guns, I"ve never cleaned. LOL.

But the Noveske should shoot well. 7 twist might be a bit much if you want to run 40s, but its great for 68 and over for sure.

Who knows what triggger is in the lower, but a RRA varmint on sale for 62 bucks now and then will cheaply solve the issue if it is there.

Let us know how it works out and how it shoots.

Thanks for all the verbal help guys.

quick pic

14.5" double chrome lined barrel with a pinned flaming pig or SS?

I don't know.

Sticker on box says Chainsaw infidel

I did get the pig decal

But only thing stamped on the rifle is a chainsaw pic

It was the top of the line that Cabelas had

quote from noveske site.

13.7" GEN III INFIDEL RIFLE

$2,595.00


Barrel

Length- 13.7” Stainless Steel, 1/7 Polygonal Twist , KX5 pinned, OAL 16"

Gas Block- Lo-Pro, .750, pinned to barrel

Barrel Extension w/extended feed ramps

Upper Receiver

Model- Gen III precision machined billet receiver from 7075-T6 w/extended feed ramps

featuring anti-rotation interface with handguard

Finish- Hardcoat type III anodizing, with Cerakote ceramic coating

for ultimate finish and performance

Charging Handle- Raptor ambidextrous

Shot peened & MP tested bolt

Auto carrier w/staked carrier key

Lower Receiver

Model- Gen III precision machined billet receiver from 7075-T6

Finish- Hardcoat type III anodizing, with Cerakote ceramic coating

for ultimate finish and performance

Trigger- ALG Defense ACT

Extension- Mil-spec 6 position receiver extension

Staked Noveske QD End Plate

Handguard

NSR-15” Free floating handguard w/1913 top rail or NQR (quad) -15"

Finish- Hardcoat type III anodizing, with Cerakote ceramic coating

Furniture

Stock- Magpul STR Carbine Stock

Grip- Miad Pistol Grip

Accessories

Magpul MBUS Pro sights

One 30 Rnd. Magazine


Believe this is the one.

There are SO many awesome AR parts out there. IMO the high end AR makers are unable to show the value in spending 2 grand for an AR 15. The parts of value are, stock, barrel, trigger and handguard. you can spend more or less money on that. basically you can put together the best the best AR for about $1400, that is the best barrel, best trigger etc. that would actually build a better gun than a noveske. charging that much money is just insane. Its not 2005 anymore.

Nice rifle, dude.

Thats not all thats out there that costs, these days.

But accuracy wise I won't argue, in fact the trigger has ZERO to do with accuracy of the weapon.

A great barrel and bolt set up correctly, will be about all it takes to get to accuracy.

In fact the stock and handguard make little to any difference to accuracy also.

BTW i thought auto carriers were still illegal per ATF?

Couldn't tell you. they are for sell all over the place on the net.

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I use the AR. Shame but not into the building end of things.
Not into writing software, into using it.
Not into assembling a car, into driving one.
Not into building a house

Am into using BPCR and spent many hours on learning to reload that round.
Somethings I'll assemble, somethings I will not cause I have no interest in learning that. Shame but that's the way things are with this retired guy.

I do think this rifle is 100% legal or Noveske and Cabela's both are in big trouble with the ATF.
Soon as the rain stops, ground drys out a little I'll take couple hundred rounds 55 gr. to 74 and see what this little rifle will do.
I'm happy, that counts.

Your rifle is legal and both CC and rost are still hurt cause you didn't buy a Rock River.

I could never pay Noveske's list prices for his guns but building a Rouge Hunter didn't save me much if anything, once I got all the parts together. The flaming pig is over $100 by itself, the barrel is $450, the VLTOR billet upper is $200, the rail is $200, the GEN II lower was bringing $300 stripped at one time etc. etc...

It's a lot of little things that add up. Do they add up to list price? I don't know but the barrels are hard to beat for a hard use precision barrel. (meaning most target shooters will never run a barrel as hot as these are capable of being run) Do the sum of the parts equal the value of the gun or is money strictly the gauge for that?

Heck I spent $410 on shocks for my 4 wheeler last week and it wouldn't bring more than $1500 on a good day but it was money well spent.

Enjoy your gun.

Looks good WTXJ.

A $1400 home built AR would be worth around $800 as soon as you finished it. The Noveske name carries a lot of weight with a lot of people though and will be much easier to resale of you ever wanted to.

AND it wouldn't be what you wanted. I'd rather spend $2000 on what I want than $200 on what somebody else thinks I should get.

I didn't get to pay full retail.

There are a few local builders (24 hour campfire people) who impress me in their assembling skills. Some have proved their ability by shooting state wide and national. I think highly of them.

Me, I'm just an older guy who enjoys weapons of all types, the shooting of these weapons and little hunting. Ok, lots of hunting.

Thanks for the comments.
Oh, enjoy the new shocks, will keep your kidneys alive.

That's a beautiful rifle & will do all that you want to do with it & it will hold value.

Always have had a hankering for a Noveske........just haven't pulled the trigger on one yet.

Enjoy, & shoot the hell out of it.

MM

Don't get me wrong now folks.. could care less if someone buys what they want. I will always point out that you pay for names at times though and you don't get a damn thing.

And RRA is a perfect entry level gun for the weekend warriors.

Some demand more and thats good. I didn't shoot a full on RRA when wanting to win matches, though probably close to 75% of the gun was RRA parts on some of them.

You have to remember two things when I post, and I probably should make em stickies on my posts, LOL, I don't sell guns. Resale means nothing at all to me.

Accuracy is about the only thing I"m interested in. Obviously it has to be reliable, but I'm not going to combat with mine, and the odds of having to fire more than a few rounds in self defense or at a deer are slim. Keeping em cleaned and lubed up top, IE not sitting in dust and grime are more important to function than a brand name from where I sit. I"ve a wall full of medals and such out in the barn gathering dust from parts guns that most around here consider junk. LOL. And I'd also be willing to bet that the guts on the top 3 rifles that won P100 at nationals at Perry this year probably were mostly RRA parts... but the smith made a huge difference as did the drivers.

And I'm still one to spend what I want on what I want. 338-06 rebore when the 06 it was would kill moose just fine. Rebarrel a 300 wtby to a 7x300 wtby because I wanted a 7mag, and I had 3 -300s already....

You've done fine if you are happy, thats all that counts really.

Some folks take my comments to seriously around here at times.

Note this, as Blue and TWR have noted, you have a great gun, and it'll hold its value way better than any franken gun of mine. And thats cool.

Let us know how it all works!

410 on shocks... LOL, I spent couple hundred on carb parts and still have an issue I'm tracking and the damn thing wont run and when it does i"ll put an expensive ass muffler on it to quiet it down...

DId I say, let us know how she shoots? thats all that really matters!

Hopefully next week as the rain stops.

Yes Sir, I'm happy.

Awesome rifle.




Travis

Very nice! that should work very well for you. I put a 18" Noveske barrel on my last build, and so far it shoots well.

Oh, never worry about rain stopping in TX in August... let her rip if she wants to.

Tuesday is only 20% chance of rain, so that will be the day.

How it shoots is all that matters.
Was verifying dope this morning and not really shooting groups but here's 3 shots at 600 yards with an overpriced LaRue light weight barrel.

It does have a Noveske lower, LMT stock and RE, Colt bolt, BCM KMR rail and one of those Leupold CDS scopes that ain't supposed to track and it's a home "built" gun.

Edit to add I did miss the 800 plate completely. There was no wind at the bench but a definite wind at the target. These 55's suck in the wind.

wish he would have another sale on those POS barrels....

55's at that range is gettin' a bit sporty.

Nice shooting.

For a girl.




Dave

Nice rifle, Wtxj. Look forward to your range report.

I don't know what the sale price was, but they're $225 right now.

I just read an article in Shooting times regarding the new Rock River arms light mountain rifle, it weighs under seven pounds They tested several factory and handloads and a most of the loads shot under an inch. I can vouch for Rock Rivers accuracy, I have a Lar 15 and with certain handloads it will shoot groups just over quarter inch and I have shot groups under two inches at 400 yards.

I got mine out to shoot a week ago. I was pleased for a first outing using some 69 grain handloads, not worked up for them, and some Gold Dot 64 grain factory loads I'd never tried before. Close enough to moa with both loads to know we'll get there easily. I bought both the light and heavier barrels and used FailZero bcg's, Geissele and RRA Varmint triggers, and the new cheap butt stocks from Bravo Company. I hadn't shot all summer (working on the house) so I could have been a little rusty too.

A 18" 7 twist stainless fluted cheapy no name I bought a while back on a whim shot right along with them.

NICE. 55s can be a bit flighty at those ranges for sure.

Well went out this morning to the range. Of course had to stop and get a case of this while I was out in the area.



Ya I was hungry.
Got to the range, went to the 100 yard and started unloading stuff.
Guys next to me came over to look at my new AR, in fact he took it apart just to look. He's built a lot of them I guess wanted to look at trigger. We played with the trigger for a while then those guys left and I started setting up my stuff.
Got everything set, target frame at 50 to start. I went and got a red/green dot. Will have to change that out in the future to a scope.
Red dot had been bore sighted, so had no idea of where it would shoot so that the reason for the 50 start.

The red dot seems to be big, covers the target little to much. Why in the hell did I buy a red dot. Will be corrected in the future.
Got it close at 50 and took the frame out to 100 yards.

As the target shows, I was still trying to adjust the red dot.
Most of what I shot was 55 grain Win bulk.

Then decided it was time to try the 62's and 77's. I don't know if the 62's or 77's hit where I wanted. But I do know a red/green dot is not for Moa shooting with me behind the weapon. I think the AR will do what is asked of it, but must work on which scope then reloads.

All I shot was factory today.

The Noveske is a good one for me.

to me the $2k ar 15 is dead. Its simply a joke to spend that much money now days. thats all I am saying. I care about accuracy and comfort shooting and reliability. you can get that way way less than that.

no one will ever agree on guns much less how much a buck is worth. there are folks who could care less about spending 5k on a gun just because they want it... and they do that over and over again. worry about things you can do something about.

oh yea, here's a pig.

Didn't have any problems with it at all.

Ran just fine, does need a scope. I'll take care of that, soon.

Damn comfortable to shoot also.

reliability- it's too new to tell currently.

Nice pig

Your little night scope cost more or close to what my AR 15 cost.
Glad you bought it cause you do shoot lots of hogs at night. Love to have night vision. Keep after them djones.

I have red dots, actually Holosights, on several of my AR's. The center dot on the holosight is one MOA. Still, to work up loads I use a scope. Eotech holosights have had some pushback recently due to sight picture variance in very cold or very hot weather. I've never had a bad experience that way as I will probably never hunt in weather that approaches -40 or +122.

FWIW, I have found that transferring a sighted scope from one AR to another will allow me to find the hole shot with the newly scoped AR on a blank target at 100 yards, and usually easily.

So I took the red dot back to Cabelas and bought this scope.
All is lose in pic, just starting to set it up. Needed some lunch.



1x4x24. That will work fine for what I'm using this AR for. Little target, little hog hunting etc.

Regardless of the X of the optics, make sure the target works with it.

I used to be able to shoot sub moa out a long ways with irons...

Targets matter.

I'll stop at the LGS on the way out tomorrow. Maybe I can find some
paper 100 yard military type. Something different than current I'm using.

Don't know what you are expecting, but very few (maybe none) chrome lined barrels will make 10 shot sub-MOA groups, regardless of what some might say/think..........if you're shooting 3 shot groups, then maybe.

If you are able to get 1.25-1.5 MOA with a decent scope, I think that would be very good.

MM

don't set your expectations too high with practice ammo. Also 2 MOA red dot still can hit stuff at 100 or better. Here is a cheap OEM Colt with chromed barrel and red dot against a Noveske 18 inch barrel with NF 2.5-10 rifles scope both at 100 yards with XM193. east to see a 10X NF scope with .25MOA crosshair, parallax adjustment and 500? SS barrel vs a $750 gun with chrome lined and 2MOA red dot, both shooting XM193. I think my challenge score would be about 2MOA for this ammo and the Noveske and 3MOA with the Colt. Colt needs a new trigger its not as good as the last one I had. My apologies to RRA lovers everywhere..

apologies... you shot the ammo to likely the best the ammo can do...no apologies there. Even an RRA wouldn't have done better. LOL.

Thanks for all the info once again guys.
Played a bum today and didn't go to the range.

Will be interesting to me after I get the scope sighted in to see what I can do with rifle using the factory stuff first.
I'm really interested in the 77 grain bullet.

Guess I need to looked at Midway or somewhere like that. Maybe they will carry a few boxes of bullets that I want. Almost 90% here local seem to be 55 grain of different styles.

Rain in forecast Friday

Try these two.

IMI 77 gr Razorcore

Black Hills 77 grain SMK

Not cheap, but w/o handloading, that's the price of admission.

MM

If HSM is still around, and I believe they are, th 69 and 77s from they usually shot really well....FWIW

PSA has 62 grain Gold Dot's on sale sometimes for 10 bucks a box plus free shipping om 10 boxes. I bought 10 a while ago and just tried it on four new builds. It shoots pretty good. I'd guess all my rifles shot it a little over an inch to a little under 2. I found out the one that went wide at 2 had a loose rear scope mount. We'll try that again before lone.

I'll be buying another 10 boxes the next time I see them on sale.

I just checked and they do have 55 grain Gold Dots on sale for 10 bucks and box and free shipping on 10 or more. Gonna pull the trigger on 10 here. 62 shot pretty good, so 55 might too.

Thought I should add, too, I have no experience with factory ammo. I handload most all of what I shoot. Just thought I should dabbel and find out what shoots good with good bullets. I know nothing of Gold Dot rifle bullets either but they come from a good pedigree, for whatever that is worth in commercial enterprise.

Thanks guys. I have let's say a lot of 223 on hand.
I'm guessing 99% is 55 grain of some bulk or other.
All of that is factory loads.

So the midway or whomever is just for 62 to 77 grain bullets for me to reload and try. If I find the one I'm looking for, will turn around and reorder more than one box of that bullet.

Loaded ammo is available right now in all of the mentioned loads, weights, and brands currently but I just want to do the loading cause factory is expensive with any volume of shooting of the upper weights of 69 to 77 grains.

Going to have fun.

Know what I like in 308, 45-70 bpcr and the 44 mag. on to 223/556 now.

Waiting in line
44-40 BP 73 Win
8mm Mauser
30-40 Krag
ETC.

Not a lot of sense in buying too much factory 77 gr. premium stuff........if you're going to start reloading for 5.56.

The history of what bullets works is pretty clear for the most part.

In 77 grain bullets, Berger Tactical, Sierra SMK & TMK, Nosler CC, Hornady 75 OTM's pretty much never don't work.

In 69/68 grain weights, Sierra SMK & TMK, Nosler CC, & Hornady 68 OTM's are the class of the lot &, as with the 77's, is pretty much all you will find in premium factory ammo from various sources.

Umpteen good powders as well, use a tougher primer like CCI-41, CCI BR4, CCI 450, Rem 7 1/2 & you'll be fine.

I wouldn't waste too much money testing lots factory premium ammo other than maybe for a baseline to compare your handloads to.

JMHO, YMMV

MM

Ordered a box of SMK in 77 and 69. Will be here next week.

The TSX's are on BO.

We'll see.

Thanks

I was almost never let down by SMKs.

I have been let down by Hornady and Nosler. Nosler sorted out their issues. Hornady has had some bad lots but made good on replacing them, and the HPBTs used to never like to be kicked hard in the tail, while the AMAX never bothered them for some reason.

I have never had an issue on more custom bullets from JLK or Berger.

Primers mentioned are good to go. PIck your powder.

Caveat I have so much brass and so many bullets and since we don't shoot competition anymore, I"ve not had to buy anything since 2005 or so and I still am finding boxes of 500 of this and that and a couple of cases of? bullets that I didn't realize I still had. So things may have changed.

Every once in a while the stars aline as they should.

Went to range early as rain was headed this way in the afternoon.
Bore sighted scope I put on in the house at a big 30 feet.

Set up target at 100, shot a few, didn't hit the target or 3x3 frame.
Hum--pulled target back to 50 yards, shot a few, not one even hit the frame. So pulled the bolt and rebore sighted weapon.
Hit target frame at least. Worked it in close to center, then moved frame back out to 100. Shot 15-20 messing with scope.
I'm going to have to work on a real repeatable shooting set up.
Makes a difference off the bench.
I'm shooting 55's all over the place it seems, as you shall see.

Getting tired of the 3 inch groups with the win bulk ammo.
Load 5 rounds of gunshow small commercial reloads in 77 grain.

This rifle will do it for sure, just up to me.