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49 grains of IMR-4350 is great in my '98 and it also likes 50 grains of MR-3100 but, it's about 150 fps slower.
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Ruger 77 "tanger" 22" bbl, 154 grain SP Interlock, 48-49 grains H4350, 2750-2775 fps. It has accounted for several Mule deer and a couple Elk and I only caught one... I would be happy with the recipe above (or something really close) for thr rest of my days - if I still had my 7x57 that is. If you can't get the 154 to fly well with this recipe, W760 might do the trick for you. I have found that W760 can be very accurate, BUT, also very temperature sensitive. Work up loads in the heat of the summer and sight in during the fall and all should be good.
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Anyone have a pet load for Hornady's 154 grain Spire Point? I'm actually going through the process tomorrow. I'm using Norma Brass CCI LR Primers and beginning low with 43gn of 4350/2209. Going up in .5 grain increments to 45grains with the 154gn Interlock. I know I could begin higher, but it's a new rifle so I'll do some shoot and clean stuff before I get really into it. I'm also working up a load for some 160gn Woodleigh Protected Points using 4831sc/2213sc. I'll let you know how it goes. The rifle is a Zastava M70 with a 24inch barrel. JD
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So far 44.5gn 4350 is an accuracy node. At 45gn there was a shotgun like pattern. By the look of the cases I'll have no problem getting to at least 47gn. The 160gn Woodleigh thing ended badly, the cartridges "somehow" were dropped and the box flew open. Result all the carefully arranged loads got intermingled.
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Longjohn,I write the powder charge on the case to avoid that very situation.
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Lesson learned Elkhunter, Damn frustrating that sort of thing but another of the less unfortunate misadventures of reloading. I pulled all the bullets when I got home and started again. The 154gn load shot OK but I only got to 45gn 4350. The one below that was 44.5gn and it shot well. I'm going to experiment with Varget as well, but that Hornady interlock shoots very nicely.
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Never tried VarGet in my 7mm Mauser,had good luck with H-4831 with 160's.
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Good to see this thread has been revived. I settled on H4350 due to the extensive work done by Mule Deer. But Varget might be interesting to try as an experiment with my Fwt. S.G. 7x57.
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Never tried VarGet as either IMR or H-4350 or H-4831 always worked for my rifles.
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My M-70 prefers 140 gr bullets. The two best powders in my rifle are H-4350 and RL-19.
RL-17 did well with 120 gr bullets for me.
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The rifle is a Zastava M70 with a 24inch barrel. JD I have one of those as well. It should like the heavier bullets as the twist is 1:220mm (1:866). I pushed a tight patch through mine to confirm it.
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Hi Rev, I'm looking forward to a long happy association with this rifle. I also have a .222 with a Zastava barrel and action in one of Boyd's walnut stocks. The barrels on these rifles are amazing. Both mine only need a few patches to get them clean. I'm going to do a bit more work with the 160gn Woodleigh bullet and 4831sc. I also believe that to own a 7x57 in anything other than a controlled round feed action is close to heresy. Cheers, John
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"I also believe that to own a 7x57 in anything other than a controlled round feed action is close to heresy."
I'm not sure I can quite agree with that statement. Granted, my custom 7x57 is on a proper 98 Mauser action with a proper European stock and that's cool. But would a Ruger #1A single shot stalking type rifle be heresy???? I have one and absolutely love it. Come to think of it, my Winchester M70 FWT 7x57 just happens to be a push feed and I'll say this; there are no flies on that one. Matter of fact I probably carry that one a lot more that the other two these days. It's accurate, reliable and weighs less than the other two. What's not to like? Paul B.
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Going a bit tongue in cheek on that one PJ. Of course there's nothing wrong with a push feed, I just have this purist streak in me that like things to be in sync. This means that as the 7x57 and many like it were bred from Mauser ie; controlled round feed actions they feel more "right", but maybe that's just me. It was possibly inspired by that luverly looking rifle the Rev is caring for. By the way I can see great merit in that Ruger.
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It was possibly inspired by that luverly looking rifle the Rev is caring for. Which one is that?
"An archer sees how far he can be from a target and still hit it, a bowhunter sees how close he can get before he shoots." It is certainly easy to use that same line of thinking with firearms. -- Unknown
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Going a bit tongue in cheek on that one PJ. Of course there's nothing wrong with a push feed, I just have this purist streak in me that like things to be in sync. This means that as the 7x57 and many like it were bred from Mauser ie; controlled round feed actions they feel more "right", but maybe that's just me. It was possibly inspired by that luverly looking rifle the Rev is caring for. By the way I can see great merit in that Ruger. I understand completely. Note that when I had a custom built, it was on a 98 Mauser action. Nice 23" barrel and a European style stock with proper schnable as found on many German sporters of the pre-war era. Most of my rifles are on controlled feed actions and all my customs are on Mauser actions. I know what's good. ![wink wink](/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/default/wink.gif) Paul B.
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Ruger No 1's are very much controlled round feed to a point. When ambient temps drop to teens and below with frozen fingers the control becomes somewhat suspect.
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I managed a couple of 3 shot groups under and inch this morning with the Zastava. One was with 48gn 4350 and a 154gn Interlock, the other was with 47.5gn 4350 and a 139gn SST. The MV on the 154gn load was around 2,650fps and no sign of pressure.
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It was possibly inspired by that luverly looking rifle the Rev is caring for. Which one is that? The one in the gardens.
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