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What do you consider to best,lightest recoiling long range cartridge?

Depends on your definition of long range and what you want the bullet to do when it gets there.

John

243 Win with appropriate twist rate.

.223 or the AI version, 8" twist, and 75AM.

6 Dasher.

6mm Remington or the 6.5 Creedmoor.

For my purposes

280AI (elk / Deer)

25/06 (yotes / lopes)

243 for Pdogs


I use a 260 for anything under 300 deer
9.3x62 for anything elk on up under 300
204 for yotes to pdogs under 300

I use 300 as the Long range boundary because -
- Most people I train have problems hitting past 200 (you need to know what your doing)
- at 300 the wind and bullet dynamics really start making a significant difference
- Most gun ranges stop under 300 so people don't always have access

So unless you live in the boonies or west of Kansas City (plains) your pretty challenged past 300. Even then if you don't apply yourself it's easy to get messed up.

You're really gonna have to decide if you want a viable big game caliber or not.

I would not have a problem using a 6.5 to 7mm for big game. YMMV.

For me, 180 grains at 3000 fps is about all the recoil I want to manage for a LR shot. The 7's deliver that in spades. If you're gonna run a brake, that's another thing.

So there's no easy answer here!

http://www.gunbroker.com/item/593403519

this is what I have. Basically no recoil

you didn't specify whether you're varmint hunting vs deer or elk or ?

For steel, paper, or varmints - 223, 223ai, with a 77, 80, or 90 - take your pick.

I guess it depends on what you are doing with it:

I do a lot of my practice sessions with a .223 and 69gn to 77gn bullets. I shoot a lot of alts at 200-300yds with 69gn and will use the 77gn to shoot to around 600yds. I've even used them to shoot DMR matches to 600yds and may use one in the new 3GN Long Range match next month using 75gn or 77gn since targets only go to 750yds.

When it comes to LR matches I shoot a 6.5 Creedmoor with 140-142gn bullets and recoil is light; when I use a break it is next to non-existent. Honestly, I don't find a .308 Win with 175gn to 190gn bullets objectionable and with a can/break it is also very mild. The 6.5 is faster, flatter, and gives up less drift with less recoil. It's hard to argue against it.

For deer hunting I tend to use a 7mm Rem Mag with 168gn to 180gn bullets. I would use a 6.5 Creed or .308 Win for deer but my rifles are significantly heavier than my 7mm so I don't tote them on hunts.

I only offered the 4 chamberings because I don't shoot anything crazy anymore. I don't do wildcats that can't shoot something store bought if I get in a jam. The .243 Win is awesome but you can't buy LR ammo for it except through custom companies so that eliminates it for me. The BRX, XC, etc are handload propositions.

I rather enjoy stretching FWB 300S legs and it's potential/abilities are reliably a Mind Fhuqk for folks. Yet anothergreat way to hone Wind Reading skeelz.



22LR,17 Hummer and 17 Whizzum...all will getcha past the 500yd line in style. Set up right,700yds is no thang.



The 10/22 is the weakest link,as it only has 85MOA remaining on it's erector,after a 50yd zero. The 54 22LR's wear 75MOA extended 1913 rails and have better than 40 Mils remaining on the erector zero'd same and 10 more on the windshield,for 50 Mils+ total. Them thangs is handy.

The 1717D HB wears a like rail of like comeups and is simply plum sinister.




The 77/22 17 Hummer wearing a 18" .720" LW Clark spout and RB trigger,do very nice thangs,but has trite erector travel in comparison. That fact alone,kicks it outta contention with other platforms that will happily accept greater inclination.

As centerfire goes,it don't get any better than 223AI or 270.

Heavy 270 here,with 105 Hornie HPBT's...Bart MTU-esque 1-7.75" and Smooches fed ala MDT poly 10's or AM 5rd steels.




Light 270 here(18" 1-8" Brux)...it'll easily reach the 2000yd line.



I've prolly got a few 223's and 223AI's as well...where 75's rule the roost. Hornie HPBT's in Krunchentickers,A-Max everywhere else.

Just may gun a few other chamberings as well.

My apologies: Ranges 400-700yds

Anything from coyote to jihadists

Was wondering if the 6.5 Creed would fit the bill...

Most certainly will fill that need. Better than 700yds 22LR or bantam 2000yds 270Win in my opinion but it appears I have a whole lot to learn.

6.5 Creed would do that splendidly.

But for play don't miss the 8 twist 223 suggestions.

This......

Holds damn near every 600 or 1K BR record out there, and does it with 33-34 grains of powder at 243 velocities with 105 class bullets.

'mark,

700yds is a Chip Shot with a 223 SALAMI slingin' 75A-Max. 2900fps is a Lever' fueled breeze and slices atmospherics rather nicely. With a 200yd Milford zero with same,the 700yd line is a paltry 4.7 MIL correction and 1.9 MILS of wind in a 10mph full value. So the wind beats that boolit up to the tune of 4.75" per every (1) MPH at the 700yd line. That assuredly ain't shabby performance,with 26grs of powder. Lotsa folks burn a lot more powder,to do worse. Hint.

The Creed' is a new spin,on an Old Theme,in that it is essentially a mildly improved 6.5-250. It's greatest attributes are that it is by and large spun tight,throated right and has generous COAL latitude in OEM guise. It's turn-key goodness,whereas many exemplary chamberings are lacking in those requisite fields.

I'm not a 6.5 guy,but there are certainly some favorable projectiles in that bore sizing and nice thangs can be done. Mechanical Recoil is a function of charge weight,boolit weight and rifle weight. The Creed' is more forgiving than many in that facet. FELT Recoil is a function of those things,in conjunction with stock ergo's,construction and pad type...if only for starters. Can a guy field a forgiving Creed' less a Loudener? Of course.

It might could look like this.



With a thunk given to projectile selection,base/ring inclination and an erector of copious depth,the 2000yd line is a breeze with a Creed'(amongst a host of other sedate chamberings). The 130 JLK is a fhuqking Sinister sonofabitch,but the chambering certainly wouldn't begin to come close to making my list for a Light Recoil Play Toy,as I'd much rather stay .378" boltface for the application(s) cited.

Nice Place To Be On An Erector

Less is very often more and I dig a 75HPBT Hornie flingin' Krunchenticker,well past the real estate cited. More speed and a better BC ala the 75A-Max only sweetens the pot. Add DBM copious COAL latitude and goodness happens by default.

My 18" BHW 8" LW Middie Slim Shady wearing an Illuminatti,has sold alotta builds/glass,after folks mash the trigger(CMC) well beyond the 1000yd line. Pass the ASC 10-rounders and their COAL increase. Hint.




A Montucky Adirondack Creed' don't suck,as a Utility Rifle.



Nor do a BHW Faux '12 SPR,or a 8" Liljee 22-250 Aye-Eye,or a Montucky 8" 6BR,or a PN 9" 7 Whizzum flanking same. Pass the .378" boltface for an All Arounder,if only because I gun a few chamberings and am afforded the luxury of not being forced to guess. Hint.

I'd rather have a 6mm Creed'(6XC) and they prolly look like this,in a 8" at 20". The Hornie 105HPBT is a Beast.



The 223AI easily remains my favorite chambering of ALL Time and I'm rather at ease in giving others the first poke and batting clean up. A 1-8" 21-incher chambered same,will reliably blow minds.

Hint.................














"Performance",

The ONLY thing fhuqking funnier than the AMAZINGLY lonnnggggggg list of things you don't know,is the list of things you THINK you "know". Congratulations?!?

Someone who "knows" as "much" as you,is always going to be best served by shutting the fhuqk up and furiously scribing notes. Hint.

Bless your heart.

Thank me later.

Laughing!...................















'F,

I hear good thangs about an 8" 223 in both SALAMI and Aye-Eye. Have SALAMI's in 7,8,9,12 and 14"...Aye-Eye's in 7,8,9,10,12 and 14". No contours smaller than reduced Montucky or greater than 700 receiver diameter in the larder,but most itches have done been did scratched.

With a Creed' slingin' the 143ELD at 2700fps,it drops 3" less than a SALAMI 223 75A-Max at 2900fps...both zero'd at the 200yd line and of like sight height. The extry BC due cut wind drift favorably and deviates 3.25" for every (1) MPH of 700yd full value wind.

A 21" 223AI with the 75'Max at 3150fps drops 18" less at the 700yd line and drifts 3.9" for every (1) MPH of wind at same.

Perspective is often intellesting.................(grin)















'alf,

Are you tryin' to talk me into a Dasher?!?

A 20" #3 contoured Chassis Bitch Dasher,prolly wouldn't suck for giggles. I reckon the Primal AICS mag conversions would do just fine.



Kinda temptin',if only for R&D..............

Seems some occasionally mention leading a bag of "Ol Roy" to water.....grin.....

The Dasher throws another 150 in the case, w/o losing the original attributes. You're there with the mag already. I always ran them in a stock S/A mag just fine, as long as you start at the f'ing start........wink....

If I were going to go with the .223AI in an 8 twist, are there any decent factory guns available or do I need to go custom?

Tikka for the 8-twist, getting it AI'd would be aftermarket.

Stick,
I do not believe for a second either that you can, on demand, make a first round hit at 700yds with a .22 LR nor a 2000yds first round hit with anything you own. Hell, I don't think you can--on demand--make a first round hit at 700yds with a .223AI every time, under all conditions. I'm not talking about shooting giant rocks. I'm talking about shooting something reasonable for caliber.

I don't shoot a .223 at dudes standing 1500yds away. It's more like a few hundred yards deer gun or a few more hundred yards varmint gun. So let's say first round on demand on a 6" circle. If you use it on bipeds call it a 12" box although you have a little more to work with.

With a .22LR how far can you make a first round hit or keep 90% of your shots on the same size target? More realistically, how far can you hit a Coke can? Doesn't really matter because it doesn't have the ass to get there and do anything but, just for your bragging rights, I'm curious.

With a .270Win (or anything for that matter) a shot at 2000yds is never easy, for anyone. But practical application, again, how far can you (on demand) place a first round hit on a 10-15" circle despite the fact at some point it lacks sufficient velocity and energy for hunting? My personal furthest was around 2700m with a .50 BMG and it took 3 shots but the target was a huge tracked vehicle (I still only hit within a third the length of center) so I don't think that was spectacular shooting. I certainly wouldn't claim I could do that again right now as a matter of routine.

I'm personally challenged by 300yds with a .22LR, I start working harder for wind at 500yds with a .223 Rem and past 700yds it doesn't matter if you hit because it won't reliably flash all steel targets. With a 6.5 Creed things are much easier than with a .308Win to 800yds but past 900yds things get much harder for anyone. I don't care who you are unless you are my friend Norm Crawford and I have even seen him miss due to wind. I guess what I'm driving at is low recoil doesn't always contribute to long range success although I do want the least recoil with the requisite amount of performance to get the job done. I think that is what this thread is probably about so that guys don't give the normal recommendation of needing a .300WM for 500yds shooting.

If you can do all the things you claim, you ought to be teaching folks instead of being a pretentious jackass all the time. Hint. Maybe I just said a whole bunch more ignorant stuff and you can have a heyday extolling your knowledge and exploits in that ridiculous made up bush people language you use. Hint.

AND we're off to the races....

'alf,

You're right...there ain't too many fhuqking things funnier than a Weatherby! Though they badly botch rifles,some of the chamberings ain't horrid and I've prolly shot a few of 'em.(grin)

I don't much fret feed/function with chamberings that are non-SALAMI,as I've prolly dabbled a few. DBM's in general and the Primal conversion in particular,tidily nip more than a few thangs and Plug & Play is never not handy,nor is increased COAL and round count options. Personally,I never tote anything but a 5-rounder as a default,but have seen me slip a 10-rounder or a few in a ruck as Play Toy contingency.

I'd be torn on the Dasher,due to how splendid everything is on both sides of it. With the 6BR nestling one flank and the XC or 6x47 Lapooey on the other and with great brass obviously available for all,less a great logistics aid or pricing defray advantage in any direction. There's no COAL advantage,nor OEM platform to extoll,that'd really seal the deal.

Might should prolly oughtta yank the OEM CM Jap Roy spout offa certain 224 Wby Varmintmaster and dupe the contour at 20",with a 1-8" 6BR spout,as a Mind Fhuqk Sleeper for lippy bastards.

If only because that sorta schit cracks me the fhuqk up and I've always loved me a Sleeper................(grin)















'mark,

Lotsa ways to arrange happiness. The 223 boltgun's incessant bane is twist rate,because Bean Counters don't shoot. The Krunchentickers' bane is COAL and it's hilarious,that no Manufacturer can connect such GLARING dots.

If looking to drive an OEM base,I'd simply go 1-8" S/S RAR and toss it in a MDT chassis(I prefer the EHG but they don't RAR as of yet),so as to nip the schit OEM handle and reap DBM dividends. No thang to pitch the trigger lever and re-spring for sub 2lbs on Yanktitude. Go 2pc base,shim the stern,drive 'Horn rings for an extry 40MOA and Fixed Fhuqk your way to the Finish Line.

Shoot that spout out,bank that experience and let it nudge your rebarreling decisions. Not that I haven't punched alotta OEM SALAMI spouts out to Aye-Eye and am more than a leetle hip on the notion.

You could Remage outta da' gate and have it all.

Hint.............














'pole,

Tough to get giddy about a Tikka,because the mags and stocks are so fhuqking schitty. Their TikTac is an EPIC Goat Fhuqk. Have had lotsa pards try and all I ever had to say was "ToldjaSo". Nobody I can think of,owns one anymore.

Pass the RAR Chassis..............















"Performance",

Ain't it a fhuqking hoot,that your beliefs are solely predicated upon your "means","abilities" and "comprehension",which ain't never not fhuqking hilarious from start to fhuqking finish? Congratulations?!? Laughing!

Describe "your" 22LR Long Range setup(s),if only because the feigned attempt will be funnier than fhuqk. Don't "forget" fodder,glass,mounting system,rifle platform and other salient "tidbits". Hint.

Nextly,describe "your" 223AI(s) and the "particulars" associated with those Delusions too. Don't "forget" fodder,glass,mounting system,rifle platform and other salient "tidbits". Laughing!

There's no need for you to wax eloquent on all the things you cannot do,nor upon the wares you've never even fhuqking seen,let alone "used"...but in fairness,your glaring Dumbfhuqktiude is HILARIOUS! That only because,you are doing your best. Laughing!

Mebbe cite as per your version of "experience",when receiving a 40gr solid starts to feel "good"? A "lowly" FWB 300S and a 8gr and small change JSB Exact at say 650fps(admittedly mines faster than that due the Maccari springs and Arctic seals),ain't gonna make your face tickle at the muzzle...though a 40gr 22LR solid at the 700yd line has far more pile driving ass. Hint. At least you can afford to read about it,you "lucky" kchunt. Laughing!



I enjoy the hilarity of your BEST efforts,"rewarding" you with a 270Win extrapolation. I'd be impressed to learn if someone had more disdain for the 270Win than I and will yet again feign my "surprise" that your copious Dumbfhuqktitude,reliably fills your pointy head with so much STUPIDITY. You are in soooooooooooo fhuqking far over your pointy head,that it is a shame that you've less than ZERO inkling of that fact. Though that do certainly up the Humor Quotient. Laughing!

Your gross inability to savvy twist,BC or projectile is JeffZero worthy and your Savage99 rifle/scope/boolit "particulars" are a fhuqking hoot! PLEASE keep doing your best and be sure to "tell" me more,as you talk out your ass,in regards to the things you "know" the least about. Hint. Laughing!

I've never even seen a 308,please "tell" me more about them too. I am VERY "surprised" that they can be whooped at the 800yd line. Laughing!

I've never heard of a 300Win either,so you'll wanna "tell" me about that too. Laughing!

This Thread is about Dumbfhuqks trying to talk out their ass and obliviously Show Case their STUPIDITY,under the fabricated Delusion that they've a FIRST fhuqking clue. Hopefully,one of 'em will try to drop a "name" to quantify same. Laughing!

Now be sure to cite the velocity and "energy" levels,where boolits "don't" kill and how your version of "experience" cajoled that Fabrication? Then extrapolate in kind,where a marked increase in both over shadow placement,again as pertaining to your version of "experience". PLEASE find me "mistaken",as it will be funnier than fhuqk. Hint.

You Whining CLUELESS Dumbfhuqks are never not entertaining. Be SURE to cite any/all words that were "too big" or "too Technical" for you and I'll be rather at ease in connectin' them dots,even for someone as fhuqking STUPID as you. Hell...I might even add some pics.

Bless your heart.

Laughing!....................















'bean,

She can only do the best she can,with what incredibly fhuqking little she has to work with...the "lucky" kchunt.

Nice to "learn",that boolits turn into Feel Good Spray.

Didn't see THAT one coming.

Bless her heart.

Laughing!................

Nobody's getting giddy. Used to be the only factory 8-twist available but that just shows how up to date I am with the RARs. I may have to try one.

What are you re-springing with?

FYI.....the Dasher adds 150 over the BR, and the 6x47 Lapua adds 100 over the Dasher, all thangs equal of course.

You've done more for less.......grin......

'pole,

The RAR S/S 223's are held in esteem in these parts,their 5.56 cousins not so much,due their Linda Lovelace throats.

Nor do the CM 5.56's wear nearly as well.



No thang to kiss a 75A-Max ala Plug & Play in the S/S,or via DBM,as they are throated nicely. Easy to plywood a RAR and upgrade the handle,but a chassis nips all in one fell swoop.




AM steel 5-rounders are Skookum +P..................















'LBS,

I should go back to labelin' pics,as I re-spring the schit outta lotsa thangs. Cain't like many OEM trigger springs,nor OEM DBM mag latch springs,amongst a host of other spring issues. Have a tendency to fail alotta boltgun mag follower springs too.

Field expedient RAR Chickenschit Trigger Latch cure,for a pard on the fly. Tough to beat Maxima Chameleon for Utility.(grin)



Purty sure this is a RAR re-spring item part number.




They are nasty wicked little fhuqkers and LOVE 75A-Max.



Lotsa bang,for the Buck...pun be intended..................














'alf,

The 20" 6XC Montucky(s) love 105 Hornie HPBT Smooches at 2970fps ala '17 and have been a Holy Fhuqking Terror on Splendid Bucks this year.

Hopefully I'll catch a gale or two on this 2wk vacation,so I can justify the "fairness" of squirtin' that same boolit at 3350fps outta a certain Six Twat-Six,into like victims.

She's cetainly a Gawddamned Fhuqking DEATH Ray.



Scored another donor action yesterday and am half tempted to Remage a 8" Dasher on it in a Chassis Bitch,figurin' if I hate it...I could always use another 6-284 LFB.

Decisions...decisions.................

Just have one built. Go with a Rem700 action to keep things simple, you'll have like 18 zillion aftermarket options on stocks, triggers, etc, and be sure to give the smith a dummy round loaded mag length with a 75 Amax and tell him you want to be able to reach the lands.

However..... having built a 8 twist .223AI with my own two hands, it doesn't really light my candle. I don't need THAT low of recoil, and while it's fun, it's limited compared to a real LR cartridge. It's a good trainer for my kid but I find I don't shoot it much. YMMV.

Personally, my opinion is if you want a low-drama, turnkey, (relatively) low recoil long range toy, just get a Creedmore. Easy brass availability, great bullets and lots of them, will be twisted right, etc.

If you want to step it up from there and get about the most LR bang for the recoil, the cool kids are building 6.5 SAUMs (aka 6.5 GAP 4S). GAP is selling headstamped Hornady brass. You can run it on the cool side, still beat 6.5/.284 ballistics, yet triple the barrel life of the 6.5/.284, which other than THAT little detail, would be another good choice.

Google 6.5 GAP 4S and settle in for a looooong night of reading. Some good people have got a good recipe going there.

I'm building a midweight one now... should be done this winter. Won't get the barrel and stock till early 2017.

When comparing the various cartridges, compare drift numbers. Therein lies your huckleberry. Minimize recoil, minimize drift, ignore all the typical gun-store ballistics gack you might've heard ("it shoots so flat I can hold on hair out to blah blah blah...").... Drift. Did I mention to compare drift?

PS- if your smith doesn't have a .223AI reamer and gauges, he can borrow mine.

Kinetic,

let it ride. You're in over your head...by a significant margin.

Stick's people skills may not make you feel all warm and fuzzy (they don't bother me...I find him inordinately entertaining!), but the dude knows his schitt.

If you're not thirsty, then don't drink, but trying to best him in either technical knowledge or talkin' smack is a veddy bad idea, as you will not only lose, but lose badly.

Just a word to the wise.

that is a truck load of Giants. Wow, looks fun.

Stick,
Quick question for ya please.....do you run zero stop on your SWFA scopes?, and if so what do you use to obtain the ZS.....I find myself looking to try a few of the SWFA line of 6x mil quad .

Thanks in advance,

gonzaga

Rubber hose gasket will work as a zero stop on a Super Chicken.

Have run the gamut in R&D and much prefer a soft stop,due it's friendly nature to all things scope internal and it's latitude in how one wishes to set a 'stop up.

Safe to say...I've dabbled more than a smidge.(grin)



Just shot this for clarification and to pinpoint a coupla dots that need connected,for Long Term Satisfaction(s).

1000 Purty Words

It'd take a Pointy Headed Drooling DUMB Fhuqk to botch this,but JeffZero has already commented prior,on how the premise whooped her ass. 'Course...she was the ONLY fhuqking one "surprised" at said "revelation". Laughing!




In my Film Making haste,I delved but one flavor of Inktitude and that despite my long standing constant of dabblin' twice that many in application. Info is CHEAP Insurance and I'm never not dazzled by the countless number of folks,who go wellllllll outta their way to preclude same. People crack me the fhuqk up!

I purposely chewed up the erector spindle on this NIB scope,to denote where one needs to orient the zero stop,in relation to spindle length. Up top you'll see a Half Screw Bitch,which is what you do NOT want. Below it amidship,is the Zero Stop SWEET Spot. Further down the tree,is where the turret bites,with no stop incorporated.



A Black MagicMarker is THE most impohtant Reloading Tool and a Yeller Paint Stick the most impohtant Scope Zero tool.

The Black Marker is imperative for setting die geometry,in regards to both sizing and seating. I of course use it elsewhere,but that is the MAIN role. I'll digress,as I've beat that drum soundly.

Secondly,the Yeller Marker has no equal as both a High Contrast Data Backer and as an Index Marker. Because fhuqking around has never intellested me,I tend to etch more than a few particulars in stone.

I like to keep track of total erector travel,along with a Parallax Witness Mark,which is geared in express accordance to the given platform's inherent duties. Having such info stare you literally in the face,is nothin' but VERY warm and VERY fhuqking fuzzy. Hint.

Objective caps read total erector travel beyond zero and the TDC parallax scribe is a great aid.



It is then easy to ascertain where one is at in the Grand Scheme of thangs,in relation to both parallax and erector travel. Yet another 54 in 22LR here and a cursory gawk yields that the parallax setting is amiss from it's "home" setting. Though that is due intent,in regards to pending engagement distance,the glaring feedback is processed in a nano-second and deviations of the predetermined norm,are caught well in advance of becoming a debacle. Hint.

Couple such finite control,with Beaver Dope housed in the ocular and one can thread literal needles,from Muzzle Burn distances...to distant Solar System engagement distances. The latitude is inherent and ripe for the pickin',if given a thunk.




There's 1200yds of Hasty Dope housed in this ocular and a parallax Witness,slated to the rifle's zero and it's application. A 105 Hornie HPBT at 3350fps in a LW wearin' a 6x MQ Fixed Fhuqker...due tend to be rather forgivin'.(grin)



You've been led to water,enjoy that refreshin' feelin' and reap the rewards........................

Hold the fluff dummy... you have the uncanny ability to sugar coat turds like no other... congratulations??? The epic goat phuque.... note the copious amounts of blue tape, big dumb turrets, jap sourced glass etc???? You poor poor, , literally stupid bastard!!!!...... only (4) more "hunts" to go on, more pics to come...

Boxer how is the clarity on the SWFA in the early morning or last minute of shooting light?

Damn, I've got blue tape, Jap glass, turrets, AND a sticker..... grin

Nice elk!

Don't forget the bigazz elk...you got the elk, too!

For coyotes and jihadists a 6 Dasher will give them an ear ache between 4-700 yards quite reliably. Also good for 1000 yards as well.

Burns ~31gr powder, with 105gr class bullets. 1:8 twist if you have some elevation or 1:7 ish if your at sea level.

Not a whole lot more expensive than a long distance 223 or AI.

Most use H-4895 or Varget but if you want better barrel life go with H-4350 .

The 6 BR isn't shabby at all at the ranges quoted and no fire forming, however Dasher fire forming loads run just under 1 moa in my rifles.

And ping pong boolits?? Haha

Nah... 180 skinners, per usual...

Kind of living on the edge, using target bullets for hunting, but I'm a risk taker like that.

I'm real risky nosler bt, tight mag constraints, short snouts, German glass, , no turrets, 4 different kinds of brass fire formed, phuque I'm doing everything wrong....

Not him but mine's been more than ok. The Leupold and B&L Elite I used before I got mine didn't offer me any advantage I could discern in low light.

Hunting fields on the edges of cedar swamps and some hardwood ridges - not real open western country.

It is good, not great, depending on the color of the animal. I was shooting feral pigs recently and had a SWFA SS 6x and a NF 2.5-10x42. The pigs usually are completely black color. At last light, the SS reticle would not contrast against the animal. Picked up the NF and turned on the illumination and shot one.

But most of the time, the SS works fine.

I'd wish they offer the illumination on the 6x that they do the 1-4.

Concur, illumination is a helpful tool. Never needed it for deer, but have used it often for the pigs.

Judmam,

GREAT time to TRY and wax eloquent upon that Goat Fhuqk's "particulars". Be SURE to muse how your "vast" "knowledge","experience" and "results",steered you towards soooooooo many hurdles. I've prolly never been around any of it. Laughing!

Here's to how very WELL founded your countless Insecurities are grounded,in your uncanny "ability" to always suck...you "lucky" kchunt.

1000 words with "only" the 10 Mils on the windshield,so as to keep things "fair"...if only for fhuqking starters. Hint.

Laughing!



Bless your heart.

Laughing!................















'357,

I can "only" attest to passing upon 64 Bucks thus far in these last few days,only (2) of which I couldn't have murdered...which had nothin' to do with pastin' a 6X MQ's reticle upon same. Hint.(grin)

Sister passed 15 Bucks yesterday and had enough this morning,crushing (2) of the 9 we were privvy too.

The atmospherics were(are) far from "optimal",with a crashing low ceiling and Buckly Haunts ain't ever in the most favorable light. Hadta stay low,to escape a Pea Soup ceiling and the ambient wanes within The Jungle,if only as per always.



The wind was favorable and made it easy to Sneak/Peek as per topographical whim(missing standing water) and the first set "only" reeled in (2) Bucks. Sister laced the first(better of the brace),he peeled after losing lungs and his running mate got crushed for lingering in confusion.



Hadta cross a newly ordained "river"(due the last coupla days water volumes) and fish hook a Swampy Beaver Pond to place a Tag on the poor bastard with no fhuqking lungs. Wishin' I had enough 550 cord in tow,to toss a Flying Parbuckle upon the wayward bastard. I took one for the team and soaked Marmot Precip britches past the boys,so Sister could keep her She Bitch suit drier than my riggin'.(grin)

Purty funny!



As per always,she can opt any/all wares in the larder and the 6X MQ stoked BLR 81 7-08 whistlin' 162 A-Max at 2550fps ala 200yd zero,was her pick of the litter this mornin'. Tomorrow might could be different...though I doubt it.(grin)

Film at 11:00................















starsky,

I've never even seen Blue Tape,Rising Sun Glass,Turrets or Stickers.

These Changing Times...really keep me atta "loss".

As an aside,it's purty gawwdammned fhuqking mean of you,to have an understanding of twist rate,throat geometry,COAL and boolit selection...when dealing with a Ping Pong Ball Launchin' Droolin' Dumbfhuqk,with a key to a gate.

Laughing!........................















'bird,

Pass the Illuminatti aboard a Krunchenticker.

Pin the zoom to arrange erector/reticle commonality and bask in the sweet satisfaction(s) of schit done right.

'Course the 62 Mils of total erector travel,prolly don't suck either.(grin)

Just sayin'.....................

Thanks Teal, Jeffbird, and Stick for your experience with SWFA, plan on adding a couple to my hunting rifles!

They're a good product and a great value. Really like them and will add more.

You're welcome.

Stick,

might have something similar.

And congratulations to your daughter. Looks like she has turned into a nice young woman.

Doesn't Norma now mass-produce factory 6 Dasher brass, already formed, headstamped, and ready to go?

Seems it would be a fun way to fly.

She do appreciate a good suckass... grin

Feel free to post a Columbian bigger.... hint. Top it suga puss... Laffin

Dear liar Larry

The epic goat phuque strikes again.... grin



Probably fit (3) of those stellar Sitka bucks in that chest cavity... grin

When I stalk big game to 400 yards, no point in getting any closer.
But I have never killed anything at 700 yards, yet.

I have been using:
270
7mmRM
257RAI
6.5-06
300WM
6mmBR
25-06

Next year I will build a 25 Krag Ackley on an 1895 Win and a 243 on Win 70.

bullets.com

'357,

I've not shot much more than 100+ Fixed Fhuqkers and have never seen an "issue". Though a pard did have a Riggin' Fit while Elk Hunting on his last pass and threw his Custom 300 Ultra as far/hard as he could and the 6x MQ's ele turret got bent. In fairness...it'd be tough to slight the scope for that "issue".(grin)

Some folks don't listen about Die Geometry,when it comes to both Sizing and Seating. Beating your bolt into battery,just might be a "sign" of an "issue". I've been raking her over the coals every 10 seconds and I'm thinkin' the point(s) have done been done made.

The Reupold Purge is very nearly complete.

Hint...............














'bird,

The Illuminatti is a right proper Mind Fhuqk and at 72 Mils all in,prolly more than a touch handy.

Seen it.............(grin)














DD,

Norma brass has always been a Bitter Pill and easy to pass upon. I'd MUCH rather form Lapooey and have sumptin'.

I cain't cuss the 6BR................















JudMam,

Hell...that Rat don't look like it took you much more than a "few" days to find,after the shot. Mebbe elaborate on the platform,it's optics and boolits,that grant you "results" of that HILARIOUS "magnitude". Congratulations?!?

Did it get hung up on the barbed wire,as you were dragging it back through the fence? Spare NO "details"...you "lucky" kchunt. Have you ever managed to get a pic of one,on the same day "you" "killed" it?

Bless your heart.

Laughing!...............















Clark',

Have contemplated a Custom Rifle myself.

Once................(grin)















'k,




I LOVE Factory Fodder and Ping Pong Balls!..............(grin)

Sugar tits.
A guy stupid enough to throw his rifle in adolescence hisses would no doubt be in your friend column.

Jud nice buck. The lying mascot ain't never killed any thing even close. But in his defense it's gotta be hard hunting mule deer from a boat.

Liar Larry, feel free to "top" the rat.. either headgear or groceries... Laffin

Copious amounts of tape, jap glass, and big dumb turrets were used in the killing of said buck!!!! Haha

Fredrica, when liar Larry speaks, ya better listen!!! Grin


Liar Larry, please remove 1 each of the 6 mm and 243 ai. Having doubles makes you look dumber than you are, and that's saying sumthin....

Ping pong balls.... Laffin

Not trying to get in your fight here, but there aren't any doubles in that lineup. He did omit the 6x284 when he listed the cartridges L_R the last time he posted that pic. You can catch him on that.

Killing starts in the morning. I'm shooting an RPG that's super Tactial awesome cool and it kills everything in a 60' radius.

PS sugar tits next time 🎅 santa walks by your work station can you put a word in for me I could use two more 45# kegs of powder.

Fredrica,

I getta kick outta your "hard charging" pursuits...don't "forget" your spool of rope. Congratulations?!?

Bless your heart. Perhaps some day you'll be able to afford a boat?!? Mebbe you two CLUELESS Fhuqks can pool "all" your resources and split the cost of your FIRST camera too?!?

Nawwwwwwwwwww,THAT ain't in the cards.

Laughing!..............















JudMam,

Fascinating that a slipped/gangrene 3pt laying drum tight in the pasture,days after the trigger were yanked,horns you up in sucha manner. Congratulations?!?

I'll feign my GREAT "surprise" that the "particulars" of the Goat Fhuqk used,weren't cited. I "wonder" why?!? Laughing!

Pardon my having a few dies and far more barrels than same. The poignant profundity of said Dichotomy,will sail over your pointy head and gaping maw,if only as per always.

Here's to the fhuqking HILARITY of you doing your BEST.

Bless your heart.

Laughing!.................















'kelly,

The Turd Polisher is incensed,that different blueprints,shine greatest with different dies,due different application(s) and she's more than a touch shy of a first fhuqking clue. Though "luckily" for her,Imagination and Pretend are free.

Here's a 6-284 double and I reckon more than a few will note,that none have been laying lost for days. Hint. Laughing!




Just sayin'.

Hint...................

Always liked that gun/chambering. But blue scares the deer away, I hear.

Nice deer dude.....

Liar Larry, it's your imagination and pretend, do with it what you wish.... grin

Eyes are a little to glossy for gangrene or hair slippage, but you knew that mud shark lover..... grin

Simply top the spindly 3 point....

Sugar tits the rope is 19,000# tensile strength. With the proper rigging and tail hold I think I could pull your head out of your azz.
Next time you get five bulls to the road whole let me no you no elk killing mascot. LMFAO

Elk!!!! Larry it's what's for dinner.





t6i is good enough for me. U should look into a good pair of binos and some new buck pictures. Lol. How's the fight!! against losing a foot to the diabetes going(fat azz). Mascot funny funny funny and true.







BC .818 elk dead.
BC .201 elk dead.
Weird right

BC matters.

Banquet coors.

HEY!!!! Liar Larry has actually dreamt about elk and mule deer!!! She thinks they're as hardy as the diminutive Sitka bucks!!! It's easy to see who kills and who don't!!! Haha

Here's to the kelp bed and Crockett road pounding spotlight rut crew!! Lmfao

Oh poor Larry you shovel headed poor dumb bastard.....

Phuque ol Millski is lookin little fredrica!! If he lived up Craig, you can bet liar Larry would be calling him dirty Dave!!! Grin

Quit smiling too Fred. We want the www thinking we're bad men!!! That stone cold killer look ya know!! We can't be having fun!! Grin

#brokedickwashedcutter

'gun,

I was on a purty good Urban kick for a spell and have yet to regret any of it.

This 'un has a penchant to tip over Booners.



Have seen this 'un do the same and then some.



Though this 'un is for Giggles and I've prolly a few more.(grin).



Have seen Purple do nice thangs,but never have dabbled the multiple day reel-in or Green Meat "Special",mainly by design. Hint.

Laughing!



I'm fhuqking cryin'...I'm laughing soooooooooooo hard!................














Fredrica,

Do wax eloquent on the "sweet satisfactions" of Draggin' Dinks,Rats and Hilarity to the road,as you feverishly do your BEST. Congratulations?!?

Be sure to "tell" me more about Crab Line too,in case I never Commercial Crabbed or sumptin'. Laughing!

If someone kicked a Ziploc full of steaming schit out their window and wrote "Free" on it's side with a felt pen...you'd stop,hook a rope to it and grab a "Hero" pic with the "prize".

Bless your heart.

Laughing!................















JudMam,

In "all" your "experience" and with your version of "knowledge" and "results",perhaps you could pinpoint the "proper" amount of rotting meat and debris to leave attached to tablefare and a timeframe you "like" to add that "flavor"? Congratulations?!?

I'll feign my GREAT "surprise",that you "get" to say you "know" a Cutter. VERY "surprising" that you Bumbling DUMB Fhuqks are more than a touch remiss(that means lackin') on the "particulars" of your "Hard Charging" wares that are Pasture "Tested",will "all" that you "do". Laughing!

As a not so curious aside,taking a close up of the same slipped/gangrene 3pt,do it NO "favors". Allow me to extrapolate upon freshness.

Just sayin'.



The ONLY way to get ANY fresher and now you can say you've "seen" one of them rifles too...you "lucky" kchunt.



Bless your heart.

Laughing!.............................

Big Stick, you shot a little fawn!

...At least you started making your funny gun videos again.

Liar Larry, is there no end to your bitching and whining????

That webbed horn buck is a cutie, didja have a pard put him in a back pocket?? Laffin

You can bullschitt the do nothing crowd butcha caint bullschitt the players.... hint

Still want specs on the epic goat phuque?? Haha

Got first blood me and Jud went havseees.

Killing dinkers.



Sugar tits if I finished on your chin you would gobble up every last drop you fat little retarded. Lol.

it was only 530 550 560 bang in a flash. Your dink Sitka could only wish. Ps sugar tits say you wish you fat azz could VX6 560yards bitch. In the windshield like a nonmudshark. To funny that any one buys your crap.

Ps how long should I leave my deer lay in the field before I recover said deer. Oh its [bleep] Christmas time boys be nice to 🎅🏼 helper. LMFAO . Almost got to drunk to get my deer. 200psi.

Oh phuqck Fredrica post some pics not resent than say today you do nothing phuqck.

Sugar tits maybe just maybe you could find your fat phuqcking ass in front of the camera in the last three years +p. Same old stupid pics for years and years and years and..... well you get it, Kill something already, you go girl.

Jud thanks for pitching in on the camera really help us kill schit.

Almost Larry almost.....

Hay Jud we killed three to day. Momma starts Sunday with a +ppp quality. Only time will tell. Lol. Next time your balls itch remember to push sugar tits head out of the way before you try to scratch. Not lol.

Sugar tits feel free to extrapolate on any and all Sitkas from years and years and years ago as we would all love to hear particulars on said 80lb dinks and how "you" miraculously avoided the camera yet again you fat phuqck.