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9.3x62 would get my vote, though it's not technically on an -06 case. You guys are right. I don't know what I was thinking, except I've heard you can form 30-06 brass to 9.3x62mm. The 9.3x62mm came out in 1905 I believe, which was a little before the grand ol 06...
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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I slung 200 BTs at 2910 in a 23" Hart, 1/2 MOA ALL DAY, and 225 Partitions 2670 at 1/2MOA. No desire to have a 308-06 -
That said, that rifle was sold, and if I build another LA Mid-bore it will likely be a 9.3, but one can buy a ready made in it or 338 WM. The 350 RM is nigh the equivalent of a Whelen or OKH, and can make a nice handy carbine in 19-21" where these mid-bores can get much burn vs a smaller cal.
Hard to refute the pros of the original Springfield, but I see it as a hammer using 200 PTs, which when tested against a 338-06 with Partitions fared very well in bullet tests.
As above, the 9.3 with 250/286 is highly capable on large game and is what I would want to do field R&D next. I'd say it's likely on par with a 375 with less range/trajectory, yet well capable on most common distance shots. I was just shooting a .350rm last week, probably take it deer hunting this weekend. In a 660 which is the carbine version, it kind of makes a "thunk" when it hits something. Only negative on those carbines is the deep seating of the 250grain bullets to clear the magazine. its pretty close to the whelen. Few years ago i was buffalo hunting with a guy. I was using a 375H&H. Mine went down where it was shot. His, using a 338/06 ran a good 75yards.
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I really like 338-06; look at Hodgdon load manual and compare to 338 WM it's pretty impressive!
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How about the 375 Hawk-Scovill.
Basic 06 case with 375 bullets. A more convenient 9.3x62.
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Wow that is exactly the same question I asked 5 years ago.
Now I have a 280AI (long range optimal mix)
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-338 bullets tend to be hard made for 338 win mag velocity
- 2700 fps from an 06 is good, but not as good ask 3k from a 280.
Why not the 270? - to get the higher BC's your shooting 140 grain bullets that drop your vel. Below 3k.
I also have a 9.3x62 -
For big stuff under 300.
So that's how I split the difference.
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You guys are right. I don't know what I was thinking, except I've heard you can form 30-06 brass to 9.3x62mm. It's true. Their rim diameters differ by a few thousandths of an inch. I formed a bunch of 9.3x62 cases from military 30/06 back before 9.3x62 brass was widely available. It's pretty straightforward, but I'd much prefer to buy the the right stuff today. Back to the OP's question, I'd have to have a really compelling reason to choose anything other than the grand old 30-caliber on the .473" case head at least in North America. (Africa and Europe are another story.) I did my experimenting with the 338/06, 35 Whelen, and 9.3x62 and heavy bullets before monometal bullets really got going, and those cartridges have considerable merit when you're talking about jacketed bullets. But with monometals available, I've become an even bigger fan of the 30/06. I think that if you need more than the '06, then you need a LOT more and should probably go to the 338 WM at a minimum, with the 375 H&H being an even better choice. That said, I have a soft place in my heart for the 9.3x62. With a 250-grain monometal bullet, it completely changes the game. I haven't shot my 9.3 in several years, but I keep it on the off chance that I'll get to Africa. If you could get ammo for it in the US as easily as you can get 338 or 375 ammo, then I'd use it a lot more. Okie John
If Montana had a standing army, a 270 Win with Federal Blue Box 130's would be the standard issue.
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It's pretty stupid because I have a 30-06 but I've always wanted an 8mm.06. Doesn't make sense I know.
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Another vote for the 400 Whelen but with 400 grain Woodleighs.
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You guys are right. I don't know what I was thinking, except I've heard you can form 30-06 brass to 9.3x62mm. It's true. Their rim diameters differ by a few thousandths of an inch. I formed a bunch of 9.3x62 cases from military 30/06 back before 9.3x62 brass was widely available. It's pretty straightforward, but I'd much prefer to buy the the right stuff today. Back to the OP's question, I'd have to have a really compelling reason to choose anything other than the grand old 30-caliber on the .473" case head at least in North America. (Africa and Europe are another story.) I did my experimenting with the 338/06, 35 Whelen, and 9.3x62 and heavy bullets before monometal bullets really got going, and those cartridges have considerable merit when you're talking about jacketed bullets. But with monometals available, I've become an even bigger fan of the 30/06. I think that if you need more than the '06, then you need a LOT more and should probably go to the 338 WM at a minimum, with the 375 H&H being an even better choice. That said, I have a soft place in my heart for the 9.3x62. With a 250-grain monometal bullet, it completely changes the game. I haven't shot my 9.3 in several years, but I keep it on the off chance that I'll get to Africa. If you could get ammo for it in the US as easily as you can get 338 or 375 ammo, then I'd use it a lot more. Okie John What monometal do you use in your 30-06?
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I vote for 338-06 AI.
Reckon that would handle most stuff in this country; 250g premiums for buff, 200g Interlocks for large pigs and deer species, feral donkeys and camels, 180g NBTs for smaller deer species, dogs etc.
250g Scenars for a little long range fun...
I reckon a 22LR, 223 Rem (1-8t) and 338-06 would be my perfect 3-gun battery.
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How about the 375 Hawk-Scovill.
Basic 06 case with 375 bullets. A more convenient 9.3x62. Essentially, that is what my .375-06 RCBS Improved is. The ballistics data is identical, just an ever-so-slight case difference. I think I could probably shoot the Hawk-Scovill ammo in my rifle. Great unappreciated round, IMHO. Ed
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Well, I want one of everything. You can get more bullet selection in .338 than .323 or .35. When you get up to .375 there may be a problem with a small shoulder. Other than wanting something different, there is actually nothing wrong with an 06. I have a .35 whelen (H&R), because I found one and always wanted one. You can find Whelen factory ammo, .338 and 9.3 is harder. They all kick. In light of some of the other comments; the old time ranchers did just find with .270 on elk, before they became armored.
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I voted the same....no 06's left in the safe now.....
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The easiest and probably best thing to do would be to run 240 Woodleigh bullets in the 30-06 at 2400+. That is what they designed them for.
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What monometal do you use in your 30-06? 165 TTSX. Okie John
If Montana had a standing army, a 270 Win with Federal Blue Box 130's would be the standard issue.
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I guess I'm talking about the .30-06 necked up anywhere from 8mm-06 to .400 Whelen . I'm wondering what you think is the best of these? I realize this mostly comes down to the .338-06 vs. .35 Whelen. I wouldn't necessarily be thinking that. Better throw the 9.3x62mm in the mix... That's where my vote goes. However, there's no mistaking the lethality of either the 338-06 and 35 whelen. Also, the question is a little vague: What's "best" for some guy, may not necessarily be "best" for another....  I'll g for these two cartridges - the 338-06 and the 35 Whelen. When it was introduced, the 35 Whelen was nipping on the heels of the 375 H&H and it was affordable to boot!
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I guess I'm talking about the .30-06 necked up anywhere from 8mm-06 to .400 Whelen . I'm wondering what you think is the best of these? I realize this mostly comes down to the .338-06 vs. .35 Whelen. The 9.3mm-06  Really of all the 30-06 based cartridges, the 30-06 itself takes the cake!
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Just out of curiosity has anyone ever necked the 9.3X62 to .338? Presumably this would overcome the bullet availability problem and provide a slight velocity advantage over the .338/06.
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That's basically what Dave Scovill did to make the .338 Scovill.
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Okay, I'm not familiar with wildcats by Scovill.
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