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But isn't all the high bc bullets just target bullets anyway? I don't know that I could trust a target bullet to get the job done. I like energy exits and bullets to weigh the same after I shoot the as they do when i load then.
I don't even know if it's even ethical to shoot big game animals with target bullets?
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This doesn't apply to the Tanner and 16bore back/forth.
What tickles the chit outta me is the guys who go on and on about this bore diameter because it's smokes rh other and they shoot something like a partition. If you're going to boast about the caliber at least shoot a bullet to prove your point...grin. I just hunt deer so everything over a 75amax is big to me
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Read the entire post.
But sure, take that and you've got a little more drop, less drift (+/-1"@500) and a coupla hundred FPE over the 162. Start looking under 160 in the 7mm and you ain't gaining much of anything that matters.
Yet no mention of bullets so who the hell knows. The 270 gets its ass obliterated by the 7mag and you trying to prove otherwise is ridiculous. The 270 has killed and will still kill a bunch of chit, but it's easily out classed at distance. The 162 is a great bullet, never said it wasn't. I'd rather have the 180 Scenar, 168 Berger, 180 Berger, or 195 Berger...
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No chit everything you said is right but like 16bore said who knows what bullets he's talking about??? That's his point and he understands about bc numbers and all that chit. Yes a 7mm will hand a 270 it's azz but not when everyone is shooting junk bc bullets.
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Even shooting like junk bullets it would....
- Greg
Success is found at the intersection of planning, hard work, and stubbornness.
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On the practical side the veteran 7mm RM has been around for decades and the WSM s were made to sell just one more rifle.
What's the Fact the it was introduced in the 60's got to do with the reason the cartridge was brought to market. Weren't all cartridges introduced to sell more rifles??? Ignore him he is probably off his meds
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What distance? What bullet? What's obliterated? Tell me gains...
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What distance? What bullet? What's obliterated? Tell me gains...
500 yards... 7 Mag 180/.754/2825 = -44", 9" wind, 2200 ft/lbs .270 Win 140/.488/2950 = -44", 13.7" wind, 1540 ft/lbs That's about 40% more energy, 50% less drift, and equal "trajectory" for the Seven. May not matter to you... but 40% more ass... and 50% less drift is a big deal to me...
You better pray to the God of Skinny Punks that this wind doesn't pick up......
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WSM only loses by 30% and 40%.... but hey, it does shoot 5" "flatter"....
You better pray to the God of Skinny Punks that this wind doesn't pick up......
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The 7mag load you cite is a good one......no one has argued that point. With great bullets the 7 always wins. Not everyone is shooting good bullets.
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Quick look at my app...for what it's worth
A .277 140 tsx.....says .404
A .284 140 tsx ....says .412
Again I know the 7mm has supierior bullets but you have to shoot them.
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Numbers I ran real quick has the 7mag drfting 10" less at 700 at 9000' elevation.
195 Berger vs 140 Berger
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Yes and if handloading why in the wide wide world of sports wouldn't you shoot them? That's the point I'm getting at.
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Yes and if handloading why in the wide wide world of sports wouldn't you shoot them? That's the point I'm getting at. On the same page I swear but not everyone is and that was his point. I can't imagine doing other wise either but also laugh like hell when some(not you) chant 6.5/7mm or whatever and shoot a tsx. You're right it's stupid to have excellent bullets available and not shooting th m.
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Yes and if handloading why in the wide wide world of sports wouldn't you shoot them? That's the point I'm getting at. On the same page I swear but not everyone is and that was his point. I can't imagine doing other wise either but also laugh like hell when some(not you) chant 6.5/7mm or whatever and shoot a tsx. You're right it's stupid to have excellent bullets available and not shooting th m. Because the TSX may be a superior bullet terminally? There are other considerations for a BG bullet besides BC.
The 280 Remington is overbore.
The 7 Rem Mag is over bore.
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Not in a bc conversation.....Bob
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Don't go putting words in my mouth again.....you're good at that. Tsx are great killers and most of my kills are closer than farther. This isn't a hunting bullet conversation right now so stay in contex.....
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So bob you're saying which TSX bullet is better a 7mm or 270?
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I must have missed the memo....I thought all bullet conversations in the Hunting Rifle section were "hunting bullet" conversations.
But never mind.....carry on. I'm enjoying the discussions.
The 280 Remington is overbore.
The 7 Rem Mag is over bore.
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