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That's all I was saying. With regular hunting bullets they're more alike than different.

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Anyone who doesn't think the Scenar is an excellent game bullet.... has their head in the sand...

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How about a 175 ELD-X at 2850? That's a "Hunting Bullet"....

175/.689/2850 = -44", 10" drift, 2100 ft/lbs

I don't think anyone was doubting the 7 having better bullets available. I know I sure wasn't. I was just commenting how it's funny that sometimes people bash a 270 and brag a 7mm yet don't take advantage of the "good" 7mm bullets. That's all I was meaning.

Kaleb,

On the same page here.

Bob,

I'll leave all the Barnes in the world for you, if you let me have the Scenars. grin

With my RCBS dies I've been using sibce 1982, 'delicate' means slight contact with the shell holder, same as I do for my beltless cartridges.

I check the inside of the cases with a feeler gauge and toss the cases at 12 chamberings regardless of whether or not I feel anything inside the case near the casehead/belt. And I haven't had a case/head separation event before 18 with current loads. That's a lot of years of shooting.

That above is Wrong! The die setting must be made so that CASE just fits that rifles chamber by trying and adjusting the FL die.

NOT by touching the shell holder!

I'd take a Scenar or Berger 10 times out of 10 over any Barnes bullet for hunting critters without sharp teeth, based on personal experiences with all three bullets.

Tanner

Grinning Don. Keep em coming...

Shoot what, Bergers?

No thanks.

I used 160g Speer Grand Slams in my 7mm RM for 20+ years, same load for antelope, mule deer and elk. Wasn't so much worried about B.C. as I was terminal performance.

After getting a .300WM and several .30-06s, where I use 165-180g bullets, I've pretty much switched to 140g in the 7mm RM.

B.C. is still a more minor concern that terminal performance.

Blonds, Brunette's or Redheads?

Here's what I can say. I do think the 7RM is better than the .270. More case capacity plus bigger bullets simply dictates more overall horsepower.

Does that mean anything on deer? probably not.

Elk at 700? maybe yes.

Eland at 287 yards smashing through the big shoulder with similar sd. as a 150 e-tip?

Nope, the 270 isn't going to match up to the 7mag. And the 7mag was light in this case.



This is the first of two shots on my Eland. The first shot slammed into the shoulder, shattering the big bone just below the socket. That 1800# Eland left up and slammed straight down - right foreleg unable to support anything.

That bullet was absolutely perfectly placed, on the right trajectory, exactly dead center...and if it had just a little more horsepower that Eland would have died on the spot. That 150gr. E-Tip didn't get to the heart. It stopped just short, knocked all the wind out of the animal whereby it laid there, for 15 minutes at 287 yards with barely it's horns showing.

When it stood up I took the second and only available shot, clinging to a boxers idea: if it bleeds eventually it fails.



Second shot spined it. You can see the dot...broke it. Straight down. By the time we got to it (*which was a damn difficult 287 yard distance to cover...through thorns, vegetation and hills) it had expired. There was no way it was moving...but it wasn't the super clean kill I'd have liked.

Would a .270 have done better on the exact same shot? Probably not. Maybe if I was shooting a 175 TSX perhaps I'd have had the penetration to get to the heart.

I don't think this matters not a whit. Had I missed that big humerous and tucked in just behind the wing into the armpit I'm pretty sure it would all have been academic in the end.





When you look at this photo you can see how that foreleg is rather bent at so many wrong angles.

PS: one last photo...this was the shot from the sticks.



In cases like this, there is no such thing as a "brush bucking bullet".

But we're talking about extremes, right? Splitting hairs to find an extreme?

Oh hell. It's 24hr. Why not?

PS: I so miss Africa.

I'd take a Scenar or Berger 10 times out of 10 over any Barnes bullet for hunting critters without sharp teeth, based on personal experiences with all three bullets.

Tanner[/quote]

Couldn't agree more but then again target bullets don't kill. They just bounce off!😃

Starsky I see the pictures of your dead stuff....for what you do and where you hunt I don't doubt they work well for you. I see the utility of a high BC thin jacketed bullet to get expansion at distances past 500-600 yards.

But Im not interested in shooting animals at anything past 600 yards;and 500 yards is as far as I've had to stretch things in 40+ years of doing it,and I already know what works at those distances.

I don't use Barnes bullets either but for much of what I do they would probably work better for me than a Scenar.....I don't know.

How do you think the Scenar would have done with the same hit on Novi's eland?

Yeah I read that entire thread 50 times at least. I notice some people kill animals with Scenars.

I've also gone to the Lapua web site a few times and despite careful review can't find a single reference by the manufacturer for their use as a hunting bullet. Did I miss it?

Dog shooter can you explain that since I assume you've used them on many animals?

No need to talk that way. I guess you can't answer the question.

If you are trying to convince anyone the 7/08 is the equivalent of a 7 Rem Mag, I could say you need to go do the same.

Probably best not to draw conclusions from internet sites, Bob.

Actually shooting them may clear thing up.

For a deer rifle and lightweight package, I'd pick a 6.5x47 lapua or creedmoor shooting 136-140s. Sorry, off topic I know.

For years I've believed the .270 Win is perhaps the best choice for most folks for a dedicated deer rifle. New cartridges and bullets in the last 20 years have not done anything to change that.

Among its features are relatively mild recoil, flat trajectory, enough of the 'good stuff' to reach out past 400 yards (how much further is open to discussion but for deer I'd say at least 500) and easy and relatively inexpensive ammo availability, with lots of ammo options. (Not that handloaders care much about factory ammo.)

If I was going for a long range rig, I'd probably step up to a 28 Nosler over a .270 WSM. Otherwise the .270 would handle about anything I would ask of it.

I'd go with the 7 RM, more versatile.

All that aside, I sure hope this thread keeps going for a while.

Oops, just went back and read the OP. For deer in a light package, I'd go with the lighter recoiling cartridge. Personally, I'd go lighter than a WSM for deer, like .30338 said.

But I sure do hope this thread keeps going a while.....