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...Actual history isn't as black and white as the established order would have you believe. There were plenty of villains on all sides. Eisenhower murdered nearly a million honorable German soldiers after their surrender, just for one small example.
IF anybody EVER thinks TRH is not a strong contender for KOTY at any time, please refer to this post.

Some may top it for a while, but day-in-day-out, for sheer consistency, there is no equal.

And that is all I got to say about that.

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OK Forrest, but before you cast that vote check out Other Losses by James Bacque. It's nicely documented therein.


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I actually think the Trump win is bolstering the neo-nazi's and racist groups. That is a big downside, but those groups would have been cheering in the streets for a Mitt Romney win 4 years ago, too.

What it also shows though, is that calling the electorate racist, misogynist, homophobe, etc., is wearing thin.

The time for the left being able to shut down conversation by labeling anyone at any time a racist misogynistic homopobe is about over. Basically the media and Dem's have reached a tipping point where the call out of racist, misogynistic, homophobe, is about meaningless, as they are always looking for the slightest reason to bring out the shame. The media hasn't caught on that if you call enough folks racist enough times, eventually they're going to say "So what, I'm still going to vote".

The alt right is not going to be shamed out of their freedom of speech. What does the Dem party stand for if they couldn't use race, homosexuality, or misogyny? That is what the alt-right is going directly at...taking away the shame language of the left.

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The last thing we need is to be associated with these neanderthals.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politic...eech-npi/508379/?utm_source=atlfbcomment

Don't pass up any chance to put them down publicly.


If you are a Trump supporter you are going to be associated with them by the media like it or not. Last thing I would be worried about is a bunch of communists trying to link me to some white supremacist group by voting for Trump . Do you really think the media will have more respect for a Trump supporter for denouncing these groups? I don't.



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Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
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...Actual history isn't as black and white as the established order would have you believe. There were plenty of villains on all sides. Eisenhower murdered nearly a million honorable German soldiers after their surrender, just for one small example.
IF anybody EVER thinks TRH is not a strong contender for KOTY at any time, please refer to this post.

Some may top it for a while, but day-in-day-out, for sheer consistency, there is no equal.

And that is all I got to say about that.

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OK Forrest, but before you cast that vote check out Other Losses by James Bacque. It's nicely documented therein.


A pretty good critique of Bacque's work here....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Other_Losses#Oral_histories

A number of problems with his work, starting with where are all the bodies? Another thing is how this was all kept secret given that even if true, another 2 million+ German POW's in allied hands survived.





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Has the alt-right always been associated with white supremacy, or did the media just succeed in attaching that innuendo in order to marginalize them?


Media fiction and ignorance to associate 'white supremacists' with the right. These people are a mixture of fascists and ethnic radical nationalists. Both of these patterns are elements the far left, very much more akin to communists ideologically than to any element on the right.


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The media was marginalized, don't let them and their lies have any credibility by going on the defensive.



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Originally Posted by Pat85
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The last thing we need is to be associated with these neanderthals.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politic...eech-npi/508379/?utm_source=atlfbcomment

Don't pass up any chance to put them down publicly.


If you are a Trump supporter you are going to be associated with them by the media like it or not. Last thing I would be worried about is a bunch of communists trying to link me to some white supremacist group by voting for Trump . Do you really think the media will have more respect for a Trump supporter for denouncing these groups? I don't.


Correctly reasoned and nicely put.

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The media was marginalized, don't let them and their lies have any credibility by going on the defensive.


Absolutely and engaging them on any level of the subject keeps their agenda streaming.


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FROM THE ARTICLE -" ... That’s how Richard B. Spencer saluted more than 200 attendees on Saturday, gathered at the Ronald Reagan Building in Washington, D.C., for the annual conference of the National Policy Institute, ..."


I'd bet a bunch of money that among the "fanatical" attendees, probably six were FBI agents, four were Homeland Security officers, and two or three were local D.C. police officers. That's how it works with groups like these clowns. wink

As for Spencer, I would not doubt he's so prejudiced that when he read "Uncle Tom's Cabin," he thought Simon Legree was the hero. grin

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Originally Posted by FreeMe
The last thing we need is to be associated with these neanderthals.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politic...eech-npi/508379/?utm_source=atlfbcomment

Don't pass up any chance to put them down publicly.


I agree. The liberal media is basically saying that if you are a white male you are an "alt'-right" thug. I don't want to be associated with them or the liberal media.

I'm an American plain and simple.

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Sycamore?? Have you conceded that you're a doofus?

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Originally Posted by Birdwatcher
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Originally Posted by Sycamore
Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
...Actual history isn't as black and white as the established order would have you believe. There were plenty of villains on all sides. Eisenhower murdered nearly a million honorable German soldiers after their surrender, just for one small example.
IF anybody EVER thinks TRH is not a strong contender for KOTY at any time, please refer to this post.

Some may top it for a while, but day-in-day-out, for sheer consistency, there is no equal.

And that is all I got to say about that.

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OK Forrest, but before you cast that vote check out Other Losses by James Bacque. It's nicely documented therein.


A pretty good critique of Bacque's work here....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Other_Losses#Oral_histories

A number of problems with his work, starting with where are all the bodies? Another thing is how this was all kept secret given that even if true, another 2 million+ German POW's in allied hands survived.


Another critique from Amazon:

This review is from: Other Losses: An Investigation into the Mass Deaths of German Prisoners at the Hands of the French and Americans after World War II (Paperback)
This is another sad example of dangerously revisionist history without any real research or basis whatsoever. The claims made in this book are simply absurd and unsupported by any consensus of historians. There are no mass graves of German soldiers or civilians in the former US occupation zones. The only ones that exist are in the former Soviet zone. Unfortunately, this kind of blatant falsifying of history has become popular with the resurgence of neo-nazism in Europe, and as you can tell by some of the reviews here, both neo-nazism and anti-Semitism are very much alive and well. A few years ago, when there were so many more people left alive who saw firsthand the brutality and murder of the Nazi regime, a regime that started a war that left 50 million dead in Europe, this kind of junk book would have been unthinkable, now, it's becoming par for the course, because the voices of the witnesses are fading away one by one. It's really sad to see history repeating itself again. It needs to be better understood that the true purpose of Nazi-apologist literature is to create an environment where these ideas will be acceptable again.

Jew hating Nazi-apologist....sound like anyone here?

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Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
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I don't care if someone wants to be proud of their race.
That's a Constitutional right.
But when they start with the Nazi crap....I don't get that.

Many of our fathers, grandfathers and great-grandfathers fought and some died killing Nazis so that we can fu_k around on a forum like this.....typing in American English.

How 'bout the Malmedy Massacre where SS troops machine gunned 84 defenseless American POWs ?

Those American heroes did not die in vain.
They rid the world of a menace and shall never be forgotten.



Actual history isn't as black and white as the established order would have you believe. There were plenty of villains on all sides. Eisenhower murdered nearly a million honorable German soldiers after their surrender, just for one small example.

If you believe that then you believe in Bigfoot and the Tooth Fairy.

There is no doubt that when news of Malmedy got around, there were many Germans that were not taken prisoner.
Too bad for the common Wehrmacht soldier.
Good for the SS.

One million....you are full of schitt.


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Are you folks also Dresden deniers? How about the turning over of anticommunist fighters to the Soviets for execution after the war? That a conspiracy theory, too? Plenty of evil was done on all sides.

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Another photo at this event shows three people giving the Nazi salute. One of those people was Tia Tanaka, a Vietnamese porn star. I believe all these Nazi salutes were given by liberal plants.


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You Nazi sympathies are showing again. Dresden was nothing compared to pounding we gave the Japanese, but since the Japanese didn't exterminate millions of Jews, it seems they have not earned your sympathies.


You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it.

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Mirror image of the special snowflakes on the left. Link 'em all together as fringe fruitloops regardless of direction from center.


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Are you folks also Dresden deniers?


So your alleged genocide of a million German POW's at the hands of the Allies is the same sort of thing as the last carpet bombing of a major German city while the war was still going on?

Bomber Harris had it done, nobody wanted to talk about it much after the fact.


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Quite the crew. I knew this would draw them out. Who else wants to play?


Thanks for drawing them out. I just added a couple more racist A-holes to my ignore list.


If that's what you need to do, by all means do so. And you're welcome. I prefer not to ignore them. I prefer to keep track of their.....progress.

Sad weak boys, who have no identity outside the group they require to feel safe.


You two must be proud of yourselves. After you finish juggling each other's nuts, maybe you can dredge up an article or two on the Westboro Baptist Church and smoke out some of those militant Christians.

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Quite the crew. I knew this would draw them out. Who else wants to play?


Thanks for drawing them out. I just added a couple more racist A-holes to my ignore list.


If that's what you need to do, by all means do so. And you're welcome. I prefer not to ignore them. I prefer to keep track of their.....progress.

Sad weak boys, who have no identity outside the group they require to feel safe.


You two must be proud of yourselves. After you finish juggling each other's nuts, maybe you can dredge up an article or two on the Westboro Baptist Church and smoke out some of those militant Christians.


So, is it safe to assume that you are another of that group as well?



It's hilarious to watch a third of you act like it's nothing and another third of you defending the neo-nazi movement. I don't care one spit about the former, and the latter can KMA.

No shortage of mental midgets here. Pretend all you want. The left will use these guys (and they do exist) against us all the more if we ignore it. We don't need to make excuses for them. We only need to voice our disgust. If that scares you......oh well....


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