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Starman,
You're right.
Dunno about the Model 70's, but apparently quite a few American .275 H&H's were built with .284" bores to get around the bullet problem. And even some H&H rifles would apparently handle .284" bullets, just as some .303's will shoot .308 bullets well.
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7mm will get you laid more often, 6.5 will get you more satisfying sex. Quantity vs. quality.
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Yeah, a .375 H&H is a much better choice than any 6.5 or 7mm, just in case a brown bear or Cape buffalo shows up at your door. I think the .375 H&H would be the cartridge of choice for hunting the "Big 7" rather than only this continent.
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7mm will get you laid more often, 6.5 will get you more satisfying sex. Quantity vs. quality. Is this a Central American vs. Sweden comparison? Either way it sounds like a win. 
Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.
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7mm will get you laid more often, 6.5 will get you more satisfying sex. Quantity vs. quality. Is this a Central American vs. Sweden comparison? Either way it sounds like a win. More of I've lived close to the border with Latin America all of my life and traveled there on business a couple of times a month for several years. So the Nordic gig is newer and more exciting to me.
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So the Nordic gig is newer and more exciting to me. From my Prejudiced Point of View. I've been shooting/hunting 270s, 7 RMs, 300 WMs, & 8mm RM so long I know my point of view is prejudiced so.... Last year I spent a lot of time in developing a load for my 6.5X55. I accomplished - 120 gr N BT--3000 fps. I know that ain't bad BUT... IMO it is YAWN, ho hum, piddly diddly. I suggest that you try light weight Barnes etc. for HI vel with monos for trajectory. The heavier c/c 140s & 160 at SLOW vel DON'T interest me. Good Luck Jerry
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So the Nordic gig is newer and more exciting to me. From my Prejudiced Point of View. I've been shooting/hunting 270s, 7 RMs, 300 WMs, & 8mm RM so long I know my point of view is prejudiced so.... Last year I spent a lot of time in developing a load for my 6.5X55. I accomplished - 120 gr N BT--3000 fps. I know that ain't bad BUT... IMO it is YAWN, ho hum, piddly diddly. I suggest that you try light weight Barnes etc. for HI vel with monos for trajectory. The heavier c/c 140s & 160 at SLOW vel DON'T interest me. Good Luck Jerry Jerry, I hunted my first years with a 300 win mag mostly, 7 rem mag, 7X57, 45/70 and 270 win. For the last 12 years ive mostly hunted the 270. This year i tried the 6.5X55 swede the last 2 weeks of hunting season. Ive only got two deer with the swede and so far Im very impressed. Especially when the 4x4 buck I shot at 290 yds did a backflip and planted firmly in the dirt with a lung shot. My experience with the wicked little 6.5 has been anything but hohum thus far. Trystan
Good bullets properly placed always work, but not everyone knows what good bullets are, or can reliably place them in the field
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I'm glad for you. That's good.
I've killed at least 6 w/mine and they surenuff were dead and others killed by larger cartridges were not any more 'deaderer'. grin
It's just not my cup o tea, I guess.
To each his own.
Good hunting and shooting.
Jerry
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I have killed all kinds of deer and hogs with a 243, 270, 7mm-08 and 7mm Mag. My go-to guns are now a 308 and a 35 Whelen. I am thinking of rebuilding my old 7mm Mag. It was a good rifle, but my 308 is lighter and my Whelen just puts a bigger hole with minimum meat damage. I killed a ton of deer with the 270 years ago, but was not really satisfied with it. That was before the good bullets that we have now. Probably do OK with better bullets.
Any of them will kill deer. You just have to find what suits you.
There was no greater freedom than when I would leave Holiday Park Fish Camp heading my airboat west toward the Big Cypress. Fuel for 4 days, a good machete, an ice chest. No phone, no radio. Just God and me and the Everglades.
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Gladesman
That's very well put. I can hear the wind in your breeze.
Jerry
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7mm will get you laid more often, 6.5 will get you more satisfying sex. Quantity vs. quality. Is this a Central American vs. Sweden comparison? Either way it sounds like a win. More of I've lived close to the border with Latin America all of my life and traveled there on business a couple of times a month for several years. So the Nordic gig is newer and more exciting to me. I have to confess that my stories won't match yours. 
Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.
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After rereading the OP's subject line, I decided that beings I have a grand into my .260 and killed maybe 10 animals with it and I have zero dollars into my 7x57 and have shot one shell out of it to kill on bull elk, My 7x57 has represented the best return on my investment thus far....
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After rereading the OP's subject line, I decided that beings I have a grand into my .260 and killed maybe 10 animals with it and I have zero dollars into my 7x57 and have shot one shell out of it to kill on bull elk, My 7x57 has represented the best return on my investment thus far.... Thanks for the chuckle...
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After rereading the OP's subject line, I decided that beings I have a grand into my .260 and killed maybe 10 animals with it and I have zero dollars into my 7x57 and have shot one shell out of it to kill on bull elk, My 7x57 has represented the best return on my investment thus far.... Thanks for the chuckle... Indeed!
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I have never taken a quartering shot at a deer with a 6.5mm. This is despite having owned a 260 and currently owning a 6.5x47. I have never lost a deer or had to track one more than 50 yards. I have taken quartering shots with a 280AI and a 270 Win. I have typically loaded more frangible or rapidly expanding bullets in my 6.5's. I just feel more confident with taking a longer shot like this with a "medium" 7mm and a heavier bullet. Southern Whitetail can present as long of a shot as a Mule Deer in New Mexico. Why not have a little extra insurance with your one gun.
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After rereading the OP's subject line, I decided that beings I have a grand into my .260 and killed maybe 10 animals with it and I have zero dollars into my 7x57 and have shot one shell out of it to kill on bull elk, My 7x57 has represented the best return on my investment thus far.... That's good alright BUT... I inherited a Rem M Six 270 from my Dad. O $ invested and many whitetail dead. **how many whitetail = 1 elk ? ** Don't know, maybe we're even.   Jerry
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4winds,
Normally Mausers don't have any trouble handling the 6.5x55 rim, and in the rare instances they do it's an easy and inexpensive fix. So don't let that hold you back!
On the other hand, there's certainly nothing wrong with the .270. But you may not want to listen to me anyway, since I not only have both a 6.5x55 custom rifle on a commercial FN 98 action, but an O'Connor Commemorative Model 70 .270. Plus another 6.5x55 (a Norwegian Krag), 6.5 Creedmoor, 6.5x54 Mannlicher-Schoenauer, .260 Remington, 26 Nosler, and a drilling with a 6.5x57R rifle barrel. Oh, and a 7mm-08, 7x57, .280 AI and 7mm Remington Magnum. So I obviously haven't made my mind up either! I don't see a 6.5x47 Lapua listed there MD. Once you try that one, the others will become safe queens! John
If my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, and I will forgive their sin and will heal their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14
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Since I haven't seen a 308 vs 30-06 thread in awhile, I figure a good brawl at the campfire is in order for the holidays!  So let's get to it! 9 out of 10 Internet geniuses say, the golden ratio for what you get back for what you put in falls on the shoulders of the 6.5mm or 7mm? (Yes, I know the .270 is between these two but please don't...) So which one offers the most for all the constraints we badger ourselves with - recoil, long range effectiveness, effectiveness on game, works great in every cartridge, gets you laid, bucks the wind, easily hits steel at 1000 yards with iron sights, etc. etc. etc.!? I am asking mostly because I've been sniffing around getting a 6.5x55 or 6.5 Creedmoor; 280 or a 7 mag of some flavor. What say ye? Is factory ammo availability a concern for you? If so, I'd go 7mm Rem Mag. Could still load long range VLD type bullets if that's your game and can get factory ammo just about anywhere if your ammo fails to arrive with you. If COMMON factory ammo is NOT a worry, I would much rather shoot some of the other chamberings you mentioned, namely the 6.5CM and one you haven't mentioned, the 6.5x47. Very high shootability to performance ratio in those two... John
If my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, and I will forgive their sin and will heal their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14
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These days I own and hunt with twice as many 6.5mm rifles as 7mm's. They're both great calibers, but I would hesitate to hunt Montana with any of my 6.5's.
Yeah, I know Montana's not as big as "the continent," but that's part of why I'd go 6.5--their well-known precision would make it easier hit the smaller vital zone of Montana. No doubt a 7mm would do okay on something as large as North America. Montana Heart Shot: right in the Butte!
...Actually Sycamore, you are sort of right....
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7mm will get you laid more often, 6.5 will get you more satisfying sex. Quantity vs. quality. Is this a Central American vs. Sweden comparison? Either way it sounds like a win. More of I've lived close to the border with Latin America all of my life and traveled there on business a couple of times a month for several years. So the Nordic gig is newer and more exciting to me. I have to confess that my stories won't match yours. Probably a geography thing. Women in Oregon have unusual tastes I've been told.
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