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To complete this photo-essay here is the 348 Silvertip 200 grain. They create a nice wound channel in the first 70% of travel but generally lose the core after that and this limits penetration. They also don't expand very well at slow speeds. The 200 Hornady FN is a better bullet. These would still no doubt kill deer very well though...even big deer.
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Thanks for this post, very good. Here are pictures of a 200 grain Silvertip that went thru both shoulders of a Wisconsin whitetail buck at about 50 yards and lodged in the hide. Expansion is .74 at widest and .51 and narrowest.
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That worked pretty well! Bet you he didn't go far!
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About 3 feet straight down! It is the only 200 grain Silvertip that I ever recovered from a whitetail. All the rest passed through so I have no clue how those bullets performed. I really enjoyed your tests as I have always wanted to try different bullets in the 348.
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North61, just enjoyed your youtube vids, good stuff.
How would you rate the recoil between the .405 & the .348?
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The 405 has more recoil for sure but it's still pretty easy to handle if you have a decent recoil pad. The old style crescent steel butt plates are quite horrible and probably the reason the 405's had such a bad reputation for kick. A 300 grain bullet propelled at 22-2400fps isn't too bad in a modern context.
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That little 300 gr Woodleigh would be the shizzle loafing along at a comfortable 2150 from a 405.
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Thanks for this post, very good. Here are pictures of a 200 grain Silvertip that went thru both shoulders of a Wisconsin whitetail buck at about 50 yards and lodged in the hide. Expansion is .74 at widest and .51 and narrowest. Nice work Milwroad.
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I would like to see how the 250 gr Alaska Bullet Works performs.
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I would like to see how the 250 gr Alaska Bullet Works performs. Is it a bonded bullet Ed? Found it, yes they're bonded, that bullet looks damn good Ed, and cheaper than the 250 Woodies.
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I appreciate the information North61. That must have been fun. I bought up a bunch of Winchester Silver Tip 348 when I got my first 348. It is a Franz Sodia double and shoots that load great. Still working on creating empty brass and not reloading yet. My 71 deluxe loves that load too. All shots on game have been complete pass through. No recovered projectiles to this point. Our deer are not huge.
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It was lots of fun...a fine couple of forum members are going to get me some 250 Win Silvertips and the old 180 Speers. I also have a small supply of Winchester Super-speed Luballoy bullets in 200 grains. I will retest in the summer with all the bullets I can get together. I think I can do a more complete job.
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I would like to see how the 250 gr Alaska Bullet Works performs. Is it a bonded bullet Ed? Found it, yes they're bonded, that bullet looks damn good Ed, and cheaper than the 250 Woodies. I discovered them when I bought a Bowen 500 Linebaugh package from a guy in Alaska years ago. Part of the package was their 450 gr FP's. They proved to be darn accurate (guessing Bowen played in that ) though I have yet to kill something with them. Go kill a buffalo....
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Excellent practical research, thanks for your efforts.
I have used Hawk Bullets-(Glenrock, WY-now HawksBridge,NJ) They perform like Woodleighs but have a variety of weights. Handloader Magazine thinks highly of them. Another source for bonded 250 gr bullets is Alaska Bullet Works in Juneau.
I have two(2) early Model 71 rifles in 348 Ackley Improved. It actually delivers close to 200 FPS more than the parent 348 WCF. J. Kronfeld did an article on this cartridge for Handloader.
Its very similar to a 35 Whelen in a lever action M-71. Recoil is not that objectionable- in Alaska. Used a 270 gr Hawk bullet to stop a large interior moose at 90 yards. Nice to have in bear country.LtCol RM
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The Alaska Bullet Works 250 grain bullet is bonded core and works very well in the 348 WCF or the 348 Ackley. The Ackley chambering was popular in Alaska because it gave the 348 the ballistics of a .35 Whelen. It does require careful reloading and good bullets. Barnes 250 gr bullets were used in the Canadian -Alaskan bush country with great success. Combining a 270 gr Hawk bullet into the 348 Ackley case allows hunters in the frozen north to hunt moose while being pretty well armed for a chance bear encounter. Dave Scovill of Handloader fame uses Hawk bullets in many calibers with success from bear to plains buffalo in the west. Bullet tests for accuracy and performance are a good idea for hunting with the .348 WCF cartridges.
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I would like to see how the 250 gr Alaska Bullet Works performs. Is it a bonded bullet Ed? Found it, yes they're bonded, that bullet looks damn good Ed, and cheaper than the 250 Woodies. I discovered them when I bought a Bowen 500 Linebaugh package from a guy in Alaska years ago. Part of the package was their 450 gr FP's. They proved to be darn accurate (guessing Bowen played in that ) though I have yet to kill something with them. Go kill a buffalo.... Yes, 500lbs of Bison in the freezer is a very good thing.
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North61, thanks for posting this. Interesting info, for sure!
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This is great information North61 and I really appreciate you taking time to share it with us.
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Yes I have heard tell of him. A bit long winded isn't he? Thanks to a couple of American Friends I have some more bullets to test.. the great 250 grain Silvertip and the Old 180 SpeerFN's I'll also retest my old stash with three shots eat at high and low to give myself a bit more statistical reliability. Going to have to collect a bunch of newspaper! Video of new bullets https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xho8xz7xB_Y&t=3s
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