Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Handguns Why the .45 ACP "sucks" for self defense

Oh, I don't know. I've been a police officer, Chief of Police, Federal Agent (retired), Director of Security for a multinational company and finally a registered nurse. Seems like there's a lot to be said for upward and onward and then back to service. Some people do things in their lives.

I've only been a farmer and a janitor for near 35 years of work, I'm easy I guess.

Well, your resume isn't as long...but I'd bet you have more calluses than I do. Maybe a few more scars.

I have been carrying a gun for a living since 1988. I am all ears, ready to listen about your actual experience being personally involved in gunfights.

BTW, I know plenty of actual cops, versus MPs who have carried a gun in a duty rig for far more than 8 years and never once fired a shot in anger, so please elaborate.

Exactly.

I always get the twp "rings" confused....which ones the idoot?

What state allows LE to use deadly force in anything but a "last resort"

Nowhere have I ever seen a state or federal code that says "Deadly force is authorized in defense of self or others, against threat of death, or grave bodily injury, except for cops, who can do whatever they feel like, because it doesn't have to be a last resort."

Dammit!!! NOW you tell me, after I'm retired!!

Oh yes, I see (now) that we are actually in agreement.

Please expand, why is that statement ignorant and self aggrandizing?

My 25 year medical career started as an army combat medic in 1966 w/ 27 months in Vietnam w/ several units regularly engaged in heavy combat. The next 21 years were spent as an UC cop, an EMT, paramedic and PA. I worked for the first 9 years as a street medic in LA and Las Vegas, both intense environments w/ high call volumes. I then spent 2.5 years working 12 hour days in trauma centers in Denver and Las Vegas. The next 12 years I was a vetted govt. contractor working on SRT units worldwide.

I saw far more GSWs in the 1st 2 years than all the rest of a rather event filled career.

You talk crap that you can't back up. Which hard core ghetto was it that produced such a huge percentage of GSW calls? Let's hear it.


mike r

In terms of exposure to combat, Vietnam is an anomaly. Never before or since has US soldiers been exposed to so many days in combat; we learned a lot of lessons from that war and we don't do that to soldiers anymore.

So with the exception of a Vietnam medic, my statement stands. My cousin was a medic in both Afghanistan and Iraq, and he told me that he encountered GSW victims about 2-4 per week per 6 month tour. Using that as an average, I've treated MUCH more GSW victims.

I averaged 2-4 GSW victims per month working full time as a paramedic, and I was a paramedic for 16 years. So do the math.

I guess you are forgetting WW1 & WW2. as well as other conflicts around the world that weren't as publicized.

According to statistics, a combat soldier in WWII saw 40 days in combat in 4 years. It was less in WW I as we were only there for 1 year.

http://www.uswings.com/about-us-wings/vietnam-war-facts/

I've never cared much for "The Yankee Marshal" on Youtube. He's very opinionated, just not very bright. I will say that in terms of "advantages" NOT performance, his argument has some merit..not much at all.. but some.

What I am curious about is if any testing of value has been done with the newer, light for caliber solid copper bullets for the .45acp. I met a retired cop at the range a few months ago who was shooting a full size Glock 21 (13+1 capcity) of 78gr copper HP at 1900 fps. I've seen no data on this load, but my immediate reaction was.. WOW..huh??

Your response, w/ its'sample of one, proves you are an idiot. Again, which major metro area produced the high volume of GSW calls and were you the only medic responding in your community?

Keep digging.


mike r

If you do some research, my "sample of one" is pretty much typical.

Sacramento CA, specifically South Sacramento. And that's not a real high number of GSW's. On your average day in Sacto (when I was a medic) I would hear about 3 or 4 shooting calls go out. Of that typically one or two would be hit. On the weekend shooting calls were 8-10, and about half would be hit.

Sacramento even today has a high crime rate, but back in the '80's they were near the top (and sometimes at the top) for highest murder rate in the nation.

But it's not so much a high GSW volume as it was 16 years on the job.

Fire fights lasted months and the Marines took islands and had a very high casualty rate. Too many fought more than one campaign and I'm calling BS on 40 days in 4 years.

1,076,245 Soldiers were wounded in WW11 and 291,557 killed in action.

Profile of US Servicemen (1941-1945)
38.8% (6,332,000) of U.S. servicemen and all servicewomen were volunteers
61.2% (11,535,000) were draftees
Average duration of service: 33 months
Overseas service: 73% served overseas, with an average of 16 months abroad
Combat survivability (out of 1,000): 8.6 were killed in action, 3 died from other causes, and 17.7 received non-fatal combat wounds
Non-combat jobs: 38.8% of enlisted personnel had rear echelon assignments—administrative, support, or manual labor.
Average base pay: enlisted—$71.33 per month; officer—$203.50 per month

I guess you were the only 1st responder sent to GSW calls 24 hrs/day and 365 days a year. Give it up.


mike r