Topic Options
#11809517 - 02/08/17 FEBRUARY - Ask John Barsness Questions About "REALITIES OF RIFLESCOPE MANUFACTURING"
RickBin Offline


Campfire Outfitter

Registered: 06/10/00
Posts: 9511
Loc: Los Angeles, California
Gents:

Thanks to John Barsness (Mule Deer) for his latest exclusive Campfire column, "REALITIES OF RIFLESCOPE MANUFACTURING."

Please click the link to access the article, and use this thread to ask John questions. I hope you enjoy it.

Thanks again, John!
_________________________
Rick Bin
24hourcampfire.com

Top
RV 728 BP
CLICK HERE for AWESOME PRICES on VORTEX OPTICS at CAMERA LAND!
#11822419 - 02/13/17 Re: FEBRUARY - Ask John Barsness Questions About "REALITIES OF RIFLESCOPE MANUFACTURING" [Re: RickBin]
Leonten Online   content
Member

Registered: 01/18/17
Posts: 160
Loc: Monterey Bay, CA
Back in the 1970s I asked Gunsmith how much should a scope or a pair of binoculars cost? His answer back then was good advice. And it still holds true today. He said "A scope should cost as much is your rifle. But your binoculars should cost twice as much as the rifle."
_________________________
If you reload, there's no such thing as an obsolete cartridge.

Once you render an opinion, you open yourself up to criticism.

Top
#11822425 - 02/13/17 Re: FEBRUARY - Ask John Barsness Questions About "REALITIES OF RIFLESCOPE MANUFACTURING" [Re: RickBin]
AnsonRogers Offline
Campfire Regular

Registered: 08/17/11
Posts: 458
Loc: Rural Missouri
Very interesting article as usual, JB. I know you can't say but would sure like to hear which inexpensive scopes were found to be reliable. I don't shoot heavy kickers and use mostly fixed powers but I'd still like to know.

Top
#11822945 - 02/13/17 Re: FEBRUARY - Ask John Barsness Questions About "REALITIES OF RIFLESCOPE MANUFACTURING" [Re: RickBin]
John_Boy Offline
Campfire Tracker

Registered: 02/10/09
Posts: 5829
Loc: Henderson, Texas
To know what John recommends note what he buys the most of here.
I use old m8 Leupold with smaller ocular lenses. Less weight, less forces on the scope to cause issues. Next favorite due to hunting a farm with a mix of woods and pasture is a 2-7x 33mm ( or a 1.5-5x ). Again, less weight. Those big 50mm are as useless for me as bugs on a bumper.
_________________________
Acts 5:42 "And everyday, in the church and from house to house, they did not cease teaching and preaching Jesus as the Christ."

Top
#11823652 - 02/13/17 Re: FEBRUARY - Ask John Barsness Questions About "REALITIES OF RIFLESCOPE MANUFACTURING" [Re: AnsonRogers]
Mule Deer Offline
Campfire Oracle

Registered: 07/24/01
Posts: 41079
Loc: Banana Belt, Montana
Along with fixed-power Leupolds, I've also purchased some SWFA and Weaver fixed-powers off the Campfire Classifieds. But I don't get all my scopes on the Campfire, either, obtaining some directly from manufacturers. Sometimes they're test scopes that performed so well I decided I needed them. Have reviewed those in several magazine articles, usually after they held up well when (per usual) I mounted them on a hard-kicking rifle and they not only held up but their adjustments A good example would be the Weaver 3-15x Super Slam that arrived for a review several years ago. I've been twirling the adjustments up and down enough over those years that I just reviewed it again in another magazine, because it continues to work precisely.

Have also published several magazine articles on "bargain" scopes over the years, and am thinking of doing another specifically on scopes have have held up well despite considerably turret-twisting. They're not always the brands people would guess, based on what's posted on the Campfire. In fact am going to be heavily testing one of these during the next few months, to see if it keeps going.
_________________________
John

"Gunwriters, as you know, aren't as informed as their readers are and if it wasn't for the readers, there would be no need for writers..."--Shrapnel, May 2015

Top
#11823700 - 02/13/17 Re: FEBRUARY - Ask John Barsness Questions About "REALITIES OF RIFLESCOPE MANUFACTURING" [Re: RickBin]
donsm70 Online   content
Campfire Guide

Registered: 02/01/10
Posts: 4141
Loc: Western Pennsylvania
Good article John;

I am probably guilty on some counts, but I have neither the need nor the skill to shoot at an animal over 300 yards away.

donsm70
_________________________
Life Member...Safari Club International
Life Member...Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation
Life Member...Keystone Country Elk Alliance
Life Member...National Rifle Association

Top
#11823924 - 02/13/17 Re: FEBRUARY - Ask John Barsness Questions About "REALITIES OF RIFLESCOPE MANUFACTURING" [Re: RickBin]
Bill Poole Offline
Campfire Regular

Registered: 03/25/06
Posts: 445
Loc: Arizona
Now that CMP service rifle competition permits a low power, small objective scope on a low recoiling rifle. We need a scope with elevation and windage knobs that can tolerate literally dozens of adjustments per day, likely a click or 4 of windage with every shot in the slow fire stages. Run the elevation up from 200 to 600 yds and back down every match.

optics don't have to be great, we don't have to count antler tines at 2 minutes before dark... just find that 36" black against a 6' piece of cardboard at 600yds.

oh, and that $3000 model is just out of reach for most of us regulars and nearly all of the new competitors we'd like to get into the sport.

Poole
_________________________
-
Bill Poole
Arizona
http://arizona-rifleshooting.com/

Top
#11824410 - 02/14/17 Re: FEBRUARY - Ask John Barsness Questions About "REALITIES OF RIFLESCOPE MANUFACTURING" [Re: RickBin]
PatagoniaHunter Online   content
Campfire Regular

Registered: 02/16/05
Posts: 441
Loc: BARILOCHE CITY, RIO NEGRO PROV...
Hello MD,

Great article!!! Very interesting point you are writing about!
I am convinced many midprices scopes of today, and even old, very old (40 plus years)scopes are, at least, as good in their mechanics and even optics, as the expensives ones...
I wait for more "bargain" scopes articles!

PH

Top
#11824462 - 02/14/17 Re: FEBRUARY - Ask John Barsness Questions About "REALITIES OF RIFLESCOPE MANUFACTURING" [Re: RickBin]
PatagoniaHunter Online   content
Campfire Regular

Registered: 02/16/05
Posts: 441
Loc: BARILOCHE CITY, RIO NEGRO PROV...
And, by the way, I did not tested neither a fraction of the scopes you test in one year. But my "scope test rifle" is a Wincheste 70 pre-64 .375 H&H. I have shot the rifle more than 1000 full power rounds since my purchase in 1992. With a few scopes, more than 100 rounds with the less used one. They have been: Redfield Bear Cub 4x32,made in the sixties; Weaver K 2,5 Micro-Track from the eighties, Zeiss Diatal ZA 4x32 from the late eighties, Schmidt&Bender 1,25-4x20 from the nineties, and Zeiss Victory Diavari 1,5-6x42 from the early 2000.
Of course I did not dial up and down any of them; zero dead on at 200 meters and thats it!
And the ONLY issue was the broken thin hair of the wire reticle in the S&B after 300 rounds. Was send the scope to S&B, where they put an optical reticle and for another 300 rounds they worked perfectly. I sold it to a friend who use it in a 30-06 without any trouble.
Another friend has a Burris Fullfield II 2,5-7x35 in his Winchester 70 G-series push feed .375. He shoots it a lot, mainly with 300 grs bullets, factory and handloads (because he said his rifle groups are better with 300 grs....). I donĀ“t know exactly how many rounds he has made but more than 200 for sure. The scope is still in one piece without any simptom of malfunction.

As I said, VERY INTERESTING matter this you have initiated with your article.

Thanks!

PH

Top
#11825938 - 02/14/17 Re: FEBRUARY - Ask John Barsness Questions About "REALITIES OF RIFLESCOPE MANUFACTURING" [Re: Bill Poole]
Mule Deer Offline
Campfire Oracle

Registered: 07/24/01
Posts: 41079
Loc: Banana Belt, Montana
Bill,

Thanks for your comments. Have heard something about that from more than one scope manufacturer.
_________________________
John

"Gunwriters, as you know, aren't as informed as their readers are and if it wasn't for the readers, there would be no need for writers..."--Shrapnel, May 2015

Top
#11825947 - 02/14/17 Re: FEBRUARY - Ask John Barsness Questions About "REALITIES OF RIFLESCOPE MANUFACTURING" [Re: PatagoniaHunter]
Mule Deer Offline
Campfire Oracle

Registered: 07/24/01
Posts: 41079
Loc: Banana Belt, Montana
Patagonia Hunter,

Thanks for posting your results! I've also had great luck with Fullfield II's, including that 2.5-7x35. Put one on a .300 Weatherby and it held up great for several years.
_________________________
John

"Gunwriters, as you know, aren't as informed as their readers are and if it wasn't for the readers, there would be no need for writers..."--Shrapnel, May 2015

Top
#11827520 - 02/15/17 Re: FEBRUARY - Ask John Barsness Questions About "REALITIES OF RIFLESCOPE MANUFACTURING" [Re: RickBin]
Azar Offline
Campfire Regular

Registered: 06/19/09
Posts: 1279
Loc: Utah
John,

Do you class the Fullfield E1 with the Fullfield II's? The only difference I am aware of is the change in reticle and power adjustment ring. But it's possible there are other changes that I'm not aware of that have lessened it's reliability compared to the FFII's?

Thanks.
_________________________
Shoot as if your first shot is the only shot you'll get.

Top
#11827989 - 02/15/17 Re: FEBRUARY - Ask John Barsness Questions About "REALITIES OF RIFLESCOPE MANUFACTURING" [Re: Azar]
Mule Deer Offline
Campfire Oracle

Registered: 07/24/01
Posts: 41079
Loc: Banana Belt, Montana
To be honest, I don't know for sure. But would assume Burris left the interior stuff basically the same, because it wouldn't make any sense to fix something that wasn't broken. Not that some companies don't do that, but my experiences with Burris indicate they're not one.
_________________________
John

"Gunwriters, as you know, aren't as informed as their readers are and if it wasn't for the readers, there would be no need for writers..."--Shrapnel, May 2015

Top
#11830120 - 02/16/17 Re: FEBRUARY - Ask John Barsness Questions About "REALITIES OF RIFLESCOPE MANUFACTURING" [Re: RickBin]
jonesmd4 Offline
Member

Registered: 09/24/12
Posts: 27
Loc: SW Ohio
John,

Very nice article. I don't twirl elevation turrets or shoot (for the most part) really hard kicking calibers. Low to medium power variable and fixed scopes from Leupold, Burris, and Weaver have worked well for me. I have a Burris Fullfield II 1.75 x 5 that has seen hundreds of max 30-06 rounds, then mounted on a 45-70 Contender carbine barrel (no fun and since disposed of), and is now doing duty on a 9.3 x 62. Probably close to a thousand rounds with no issue. I don't remember exactly what I paid for it fifteen plus years ago, but I think is was around $200.

At gun shows I look for older Bushnell scopes; the Japanese made ones that used Bausch and Lomb lenses. I've bought them for as little as $15 to $25. They are really bright and sharp and generally hold up well, even on muzzle loaders and shotguns. They are a much better option that the blister pack scopes from the big box store.

Mike
_________________________
Member:
NRA
Ohio Gun Collectors Association

Top

Moderator:  RickBin, SYSOP 
RV 180 2
CLICK HERE for AWESOME VORTEX OPTICS!
RV 160 1 2
Who's Online
504 registered (12344mag, 17_wizzer, 10gaugemag, 17Hunter, 10ring1, 50 invisible), 1178 Guests and 583 Spiders online.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
RBCN 160 3
Forum Stats
57,342 Registered Members
73 Forums
775,519 Topics
11,304,508 Posts

Most users ever online: 4,830 @ 12/02/14










Copyright © 2000-2017 24hourcampfire.com, Inc. All Rights Reserved.