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mp 340 in pocket carry. 125 grainers to about 1050-1100. Five shots rapid fire in center mass a lot faster than most people would have you believe.
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To me the .357's just not worth it; I carry the .38+P.
The .357 has about a 200fps advantage, but it comes at a pretty stiff cost. Massively increased muzzle flash, twice as much recoil, and twice the noise.
Yet when the bullets hit, the terminal performance isn't a huge difference; certainly not enough to justify the flash, noise and recoil. The 357 is more than 200 fps faster. A snub nosed 38 special with 147 grain JHP in Federal or Winchester +P+ does not stack up to a 357 mag in my experience. A snub in 38 special is a backup last resort weapon in my opinion. I personally would not consider any bullet heavier than 129 gr. in a 38 special...with the exception of the "short barrel" 135? gr load by speer using gold dots. The 147 grain JHP is just the wrong place to start IMHO
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To me the .357's just not worth it; I carry the .38+P.
The .357 has about a 200fps advantage, but it comes at a pretty stiff cost. Massively increased muzzle flash, twice as much recoil, and twice the noise.
Yet when the bullets hit, the terminal performance isn't a huge difference; certainly not enough to justify the flash, noise and recoil. The 357 is more than 200 fps faster. A snub nosed 38 special with 147 grain JHP in Federal or Winchester +P+ does not stack up to a 357 mag in my experience. A snub in 38 special is a backup last resort weapon in my opinion. I personally would not consider any bullet heavier than 129 gr. in a 38 special...with the exception of the "short barrel" 135? gr load by speer using gold dots. The 147 grain JHP is just the wrong place to start IMHO You definitely haven't shot the load I listed, judging by your reply. You would shout it yet it expands well and out penetrates all the 125 grain loads that I tested out of snub nosed revolvers. Your logic doesn't connect the dots.
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mp 340 in pocket carry. 125 grainers to about 1050-1100. Five shots rapid fire in center mass a lot faster than most people would have you believe. I've never chronographed a 125 grain +P fact with that much velocity. I've used 3 different revolvers to chrono, S&W M-36, S&W M-60 and a Charter Arms and none of them were any where near 1,000 fps.
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Not a snub nose but close. The 3" S&W Model 60 .357 magnum with adjustable sights. The extra inch has never cause a problem in concealment for me. The extra inch has several advantages.
The ammo. Remington 125gr. Golden saber .357 Magnum is what I use. It is not a full power .357 load. It uses a nickel plated case. The Bullet is sealed as well as the primer. The Golden saber bullet uses groove diameter and bore diameter dimensions. Easier on the relative fragile forcing cones on the small frame revolvers. Uses flash suppressed powder. Very accurate and the Golden Saber has proven itself in defense use.
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The 3" is a great choice! In fact in my opinion the best choice. 👍🏻
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I often carry my three inch model 60, .38 Special. It is factory DAO. Load is a Speer 140 grain JHP over Blue Dot powder. Leather is by Sam Andrews. ![[Linked Image]](http://i626.photobucket.com/albums/tt349/Knocky/Knocky%202011%20First%20half/Benchmade710.jpg)
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Neither to the original question.
I would go with 9mm as offered by Ruger and run +p loads. Cheaper to practice with also.
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mp 340 in pocket carry. 125 grainers to about 1050-1100. Five shots rapid fire in center mass a lot faster than most people would have you believe. I've never chronographed a 125 grain +P fact with that much velocity. I've used 3 different revolvers to chrono, S&W M-36, S&W M-60 and a Charter Arms and none of them were any where near 1,000 fps. Mp340 is a 357 that is why I load them in that range.
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mp 340 in pocket carry. 125 grainers to about 1050-1100. Five shots rapid fire in center mass a lot faster than most people would have you believe. I've never chronographed a 125 grain +P fact with that much velocity. I've used 3 different revolvers to chrono, S&W M-36, S&W M-60 and a Charter Arms and none of them were any where near 1,000 fps. Mp340 is a 357 that is why I load them in that range. My bad I was thinking 38 special for some reason. 357 is better terminally.
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Any of the ones cussed and discussed are better than a sharp stick, or nothing at all.
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I personally would not consider any bullet heavier than 129 gr. in a 38 special...with the exception of the "short barrel" 135? gr load by speer using gold dots.
The 147 grain JHP is just the wrong place to start IMHO
Pretty absolute statement. Bullet construction has everything to do with it.
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mp 340 in pocket carry. 125 grainers to about 1050-1100. Five shots rapid fire in center mass a lot faster than most people would have you believe. I've never chronographed a 125 grain +P fact with that much velocity. I've used 3 different revolvers to chrono, S&W M-36, S&W M-60 and a Charter Arms and none of them were any where near 1,000 fps. Best I ever got with a 2" barrel was 950fps.
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mp 340 in pocket carry. 125 grainers to about 1050-1100. Five shots rapid fire in center mass a lot faster than most people would have you believe. I've never chronographed a 125 grain +P fact with that much velocity. I've used 3 different revolvers to chrono, S&W M-36, S&W M-60 and a Charter Arms and none of them were any where near 1,000 fps. Best I ever got with a 2" barrel was 950fps. I've never gotten more than about 850. His velocity is for 357.
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More to the point is that you have a lot of good options with the .357 platform.
I carry a few snake loads while haying or shed hunting in the lower rocky foothills.
Mild .38 special loads for plinking, practice and slaying charging ground squirrels. This gets the lions share of my shooting, by far.
I carry some hoarded 180gr Black Talon .357 rounds while bow hunting, as back up. As a practical manner, I shoot very little full house .357 ammo. Just enough to keep proficient and I find I like the heavier bullets when I do....
If a black bear decides to join me in my tree stand, I know exactly what I want loaded in that gun, and it won't have a .38 special head stamp.
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More to the point is that you have a lot of good options with the .357 platform.
I carry a few snake loads while haying or shed hunting in the lower rocky foothills.
Mild .38 special loads for plinking, practice and slaying charging ground squirrels. This gets the lions share of my shooting, by far.
I carry some hoarded 180gr Black Talon .357 rounds while bow hunting, as back up. As a practical manner, I shoot very little full house .357 ammo. Just enough to keep proficient and I find I like the heavier bullets when I do....
If a black bear decides to join me in my tree stand, I know exactly what I want loaded in that gun, and it won't have a .38 special head stamp. I once kept a 158 xtp in a whitetail. I think that those 180 grainers would be just the ticket when a bear is involved.
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I need my ears fer bird watching.
I never have touched off a .357 (or .38 for that matter) indoors, but I hear that .357 rounds out of a snub are deafening (literally). Any good .38 plusP will do.
I do agree with the logic of a .357 revolver offering extra versatility.
Another 3" .357 Model 60 owner here; full-house 158 or 180 grain .357 hollowpoints in the woods, .38 plusP's around the house.
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I'm a .357 guy ... and I reload. I load 158 grain SWCs almost exclusively, driving them with Trail Boss (mouse-fart plinking loads), Unique (mid- to +P .38 power), and 2400 (mild to full-house magnum loads). You can do it all with .357 cases.
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Kevin, have you tried medium velocity 357 loads like Remington's Golden Sabre round? I carry it in my Colt Carry Magnum. It is equivalent to a full power 9mm Luger load. I get about 1100 fps for a 125gr bullet from the 2" barrel.
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I just bought the 360 pd which weighs just over 11 ounces. Full power 357's are almost unbearable in it but I tried some of those Rem golden saber 125's and they are manageable. I'd been wanting a lightweight snubbie for a while when this one went on sale. Even if I end up running 38's in it I like knowing it'll handle 357's in a pinch especially since I shoot other 357's.
I did load a few 158 copper coated swc's over 6g of tire group in a 357 case and they didn't seem too bad at all. Chrony wouldn't read because it was getting dark but I'll try it again later. I'm guessing they will run about 900.
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