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I did a little field training with him. I had him take the kneeling position without any advice. I asked him to lean forward then lean back then lean to the right then lean to the left. Each time it was from him starting from his original position.
I then slid his left elbow inside of his left knee. Then I asked him to move forward...he said "I can't!"
I asked him to move side to side. He repeated "I can't."
It was an eye opening experience!
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Those are way too heavy and he's primarily going to be a deer/pig/Black bear Hunter. No elk, moose, caribou or sheep. Or anything outside of California. If he could afford to hunt in faraway places, then he'll be able to afford a different gun/caliber.
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Especially when on a budget, avoid brand new, bottom of the line anything in favor of a quality, used rifle. Be patient and broad minded in terms of what would fit the bill. But stick with quality way over the cheapest of the cheap stuff.
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But stick with quality way over the cheapest of the cheap stuff. That is my Philosophy also. I have learned that being cheap costs more. I would rather not have something and wait for a better product than to just buy something to get by. All of my reloading equipment is RCBS. A little pricey but in the long run cheaper. It's the same with anything I buy for the outdoors. That is just one example I have many many more.
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I was going to have my 30-06 made into one of those..... 
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First choice, quick and easy and within his price, would be a low priced Savage. I have a Savage 111 package rifle I bought used for about $250, threw away the original scope, put a Leupold on it and it shoots hunting hand-loads within MOA. It has killed a few tons of game from moose to tiny island blacktail deer. The plastic stock was uncomfortable in my hand due to tiny extrusions from the seams of the mold, so on my first caribou hunt with it I kept paring off the rough spots with my knife until it feels very smooth and good in my hand. I like the detachable magazine.
My personal first choice would be a Tikka. I'd save up for a T3 Lite in stainless synthetic. My sons and grandsons now own five or six of them and they are simply the smoothest handiest good shooting non-custom rifle I know of that has no need of aftermarket enhancements.
By way of reference, I've owned and hunted with a couple of custom rifles, three Remington 700's, a Remington 600, 788, Mauser, and a few others. The low priced Savage bolts work well and the Tikka is sweeeet. I would agree with you on the tikkas, ive owned nothing but savages but the tikka is SMOOTH when I handled one up at my local BPS and made me want to sell my savages lol.
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He could always find a good used Tikka and have money left for a scope
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Couple of months from now we are going to a TS gun show. At the show he'll have plenty of choices.
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He'll pass up a lot of good, used rifles, here and on gunbroker, before that show.
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Don't over look the 7mm-08, great round,low recoil and I have killed a lot of deer with that round
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The 6.5 Creedmoor is where it's at. Or at least that is what my son is constantly telling me. He's frustrated that I haven't sprung for one so he told me he is buying me one. I no longer have a choice in the matter.
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Mauser 98 in .30-06 Second choice would be a Ruger 77. I have both. And a few others/ calibers and brands.... 
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1 rifle, a .30/06
2 rifles, add a .458.
Its that easy.
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New hunter, one gun for hunting.
Lots of good ideas stated here, for that one gun in the $500 range.
With new hunters, the enthusiasm after a couple years may wane, you never know. He may not stick with it.
Seems better to get a moderately priced, but good, shooting rifle. If he really wants a .270, seems that 270 has a little more "snappy" recoil than the 30-06, for some reason, from my experience. It would be better to get a rifle in that caliber, with a little weight on it, not a lightweight rifle. I realize though, that recoil, for many is a subjective thing.
But, its not rocket science, in any event.
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The savages shoot but I hate the saftey Not to mention the heavy bolt lift....
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Get a Savage 99F lightweight, either in 243, 300 Savage, or 308. He'll probably never want for a different rifle.
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Mine... .30-06.
My son's...7mm-08.
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