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#11830984 - 02/16/17 Re: 7x57 Mauser [Re: Reloder28]
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Thanks Tomk, but pad says "Winchester"
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#11830991 - 02/16/17 Re: 7x57 Mauser [Re: tomk]
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Looks like a Mark X Mauser to me.

No DSTs or butterknife bolt handles on a Winchester 70.

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#11831012 - 02/16/17 Re: 7x57 Mauser [Re: Otis]
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referring to the wood, Otis

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#11831043 - 02/16/17 Re: 7x57 Mauser [Re: AnsonRogers]
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Originally Posted By AnsonRogers
Not trying to be a wise rearend but just get a 7mm08. I have had several 7x57s but they are all gone. The 7mm08 remains here and is my favorite rifle. I don't think the 7x57 will ever be popular enough again to sell many rifles. I saw a used Win M70 Featherweight on GB last week that didn't get a $745 opening bid with no reserve. I was tempted but resisted. It hasn't been relisted so far.




I have both the 7X57 and the 7-08. I got a Remington 700 Mountain Rifle in 7-08 a few years ago, with the intention of making it into my go-to deer rifle. So far, it just hasn't happened. I'm sure it's a good cartridge, and I'm sure it is all I would ever need, but so far I've not been overwhelmed by what I've seen. I have a Winchester 70 in 7X57, that I've not shot in a good many years, but all this talk about the cartridge has gotten me to thinking about dragging it out of the safe. Performance wise, I wouldn't turn around for the difference between the two, and I do have to admit to liking that short action on the 7-08. But, the 7-08 can't come close to matching the history behind the 7mm Mauser.

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#11831192 - 02/16/17 Re: 7x57 Mauser [Re: Pappy348]
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Here's one of those Florida tigers Pappy was talking about on another thread.



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#11831608 - 02/16/17 Re: 7x57 Mauser [Re: RevMike]
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That's quite an American "warty" there Rev!
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#11831846 - 02/16/17 Re: 7x57 Mauser [Re: Reloder28]
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Tomk, yes the stock is a Mannlicher my favorite stock on any rifle! Yes it started life as a mark X , barrel cut to 19" and custom stock, it shoots very good!
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#11831862 - 02/16/17 Re: 7x57 Mauser [Re: Otis]
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no sights, right?

where did you snag the barrel band?

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#11831934 - 02/16/17 Re: 7x57 Mauser [Re: Reloder28]
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? Barrel band, are you talking about mine?
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#11832084 - 02/16/17 Re: 7x57 Mauser [Re: RevMike]
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Nice piggy, Parson!

Load?

For me, the attraction of the 7 is the nifty old rifles it's often found in. Regrettably, I havent run into the right one yet. Had a decent sporterized Mauser by Flaigs of PA back in the '70s, but it was kinda clubby and went down the road. My other one was one of those Ruger Number 1s that couldn't put 3 shots in the same zip code. Gotta keep looking.
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#11832170 - 02/16/17 Re: 7x57 Mauser [Re: Reloder28]
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Originally Posted By Reloder28
It impresses me now how cartridges of this caliber - pun intended - brought so much to the table from as far back as 1892.


WDM Bell and Jim Corbett sure helped put 7x57 in lights, but Im Inclined to think more game has been brought down with
the .270win than 7x57. The more widespread affordability and availability of rifles in .27Owin since 1925 being one major factor.

The substantially more affordable M70 did the same for .375H&H sales (vs) having to purchase a premium bespoke
British magnum mauser.

About Jim Corbett and his Rigby .275 bore,
- he was given it as a gift after killing the Champawat tigress in 1907, for which he used a .500cal.
Corbett then in 1909 obtained a Jeffery .450/400 SxS ,being the rifle he actually used for the vast majority of his cat kills.
A gun later owned by Elmer Keith.


More interesting than Corbett (re: to .275 bore and big cats ) but relatively unknown, are the Sikh officer father and son
WDM Bell mentions in his writings....With one .275 bore rifle, they collected 90 bounty lions.

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#11832251 - 02/17/17 Re: 7x57 Mauser [Re: Reloder28]
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We like to tell the stories of Bell and Corbett, and their use of the 7X57 (275 Rigby), and they're good stories. Back in the early 1900's, there was an American missionary in China who was slaying man eating tigers over there with a 22 Savage High Power. Harry R. Caldwell was his name, and he wrote about his experiences, with one book being "Blue Tiger". Caldwell liked the Savage 99's, and also used the 250-3000 and the 303 Savage cartridges.

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#11832359 - 02/17/17 Re: 7x57 Mauser [Re: Otis]
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yes Otis--was interested in the band on front of the stock

James--thanks for the book tip on Caldwell

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#11832376 - 02/17/17 Re: 7x57 Mauser [Re: Pappy348]
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Originally Posted By Pappy348
Nice piggy, Parson!

Load?

For me, the attraction of the 7 is the nifty old rifles it's often found in. Regrettably, I havent run into the right one yet. Had a decent sporterized Mauser by Flaigs of PA back in the '70s, but it was kinda clubby and went down the road. My other one was one of those Ruger Number 1s that couldn't put 3 shots in the same zip code. Gotta keep looking.


That's the Ingwe Special and I was using/experimenting with a factory load, the Prvi Grom, loaded with their 158 grain bullet at (factory specs) 2461 fps. It's mostly a copper bullet with a very thin lead core. Below right is a picture of a bullet I fired into a stack of dry newspaper (Mule Deer's preferred test medium). The one on the left was a Hornady 139 grain Interlock fired into the same stack. Big difference.

Anyway, the pig took two shots to drop. I pulled the first shot, and the pig made his way into the palmetto thicket out of which you can see the drag marks. The second shot went just behind his ear.

I never got an accurate weight since, on the camp cleaning rack, he was too long to lift completely off the ground; but with his head and shoulder still on the ground, the scale registered over 280 pounds. So he probably weighed a touch over 300.

Notice one thing about him though: he'd been cut. Several years ago, the rancher trapped a bunch of piglets, cut them, then let them go. Another rancher on the other side of the highway is always doing the same thing, so I don't know if this pig was one of the original group or one that migrated from the other property, but seeing that he was cut, he went to the game processor. He is one of six or eight cut pigs I've taken in the past few years, three or four of which have come in at about the same size. When they don't have anything to do but eat, sleep, and hide, they can really get big. Cut or not, though, as far as the table is concerned, I'd still rather have something in the 50-75 pound range.



Edited by RevMike (02/17/17)

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#11832391 - 02/17/17 Re: 7x57 Mauser [Re: bigwhoop]
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Originally Posted By bigwhoop
That's quite an American "warty" there Rev!


Thanks. Those special glasses Pappy was talking about - you know, the ones that put stripes on everything I see - are hanging around my neck.

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#11832444 - 02/17/17 Re: 7x57 Mauser [Re: Reloder28]
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Nice one Rev bullet comparison too! I'm shooting the SST 139 gr. they seem to hold together better than the Interlocks!
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#11832447 - 02/17/17 Re: 7x57 Mauser [Re: Reloder28]
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Having backed into a M70 USRAC XTR Fwt 7x57 last month in a trade, this thread is very timely & interesting. I am a life long 270 & 300Wmg shooter, with my 1st 270 in about 1969 & the Wmg about 10 years later.

Some years back I was interested, but not enough to find out why, when the largest volume independent Gun Dealer in Texas, Carters Country in Houston, bought enough Remmy Model 7's in 7-08's, instead of the usual 243's, to use as loaners for his Recoil Shy guests to use at his various Hunting Ranch's shortly after they were intoduced, and wrote it off to Remmy offering Mr Carter a promo deal... and have ignored the small sized 7mm's pretty much since then until recently.

Gonna be a fun learning curve to get into the lower MV 7mm's but I can definitely see the advantages of the old Mauser or it's modern cousin vs the 6.5 Swede /260's I started using about 10 year ago as a sop to my age and state of grace.
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#11832456 - 02/17/17 Re: 7x57 Mauser [Re: Reloder28]
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Tomk I don't know as I traded for the gun from a gunsmith in DeQueen AR! I've only owned it for about 4-5 years! Someone did a great job though!


Edited by Otis (02/17/17)
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#11832487 - 02/17/17 Re: 7x57 Mauser [Re: RevMike]
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I bought three boxes of .30/06 GROM for my Sako FN a couple of years back. Never popped anything with them; actually, that rifle has yet to be bloodied, in my hands anyway. That test bullet is impressive, especially at about $16 a box for the ammo!

You shoot a lot of hogs. What do you do with the big old stinkers that aren't suitable for consumption?


Edited by Pappy348 (02/17/17)
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#11832597 - 02/17/17 Re: 7x57 Mauser [Re: Pappy348]
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Originally Posted By Pappy348
I bought three boxes of .30/06 GROM for my Sako FN a couple of years back. Never popped anything with them; actually, that rifle has yet to be bloodied, in my hands anyway. That test bullet is impressive, especially at about $16 a box for the ammo!

You shoot a lot of hogs. What do you do with the big old stinkers that aren't suitable for consumption?


I've used that ammo on several pigs, and with the exception of the one in the picture, they've all been one shot, DRT. And I have yet to recover a single bullet. Even at that low velocity, they've all been pass-throughs. Granted, with the exception of one kill, they've all been shot at far less than 100 yards, but the Grom loads have still performed very well. I suppose they're a sort of poor man's Barnes. I've been thinking about pulling the bullets from a box to see how they perform at around 2700 fps, but in all honesty, except for a difference in trajectory, I doubt I'll see any difference at all. They just work the way they are. And like you said, at about $17 per box (for the 7x57), they're really hard to beat. An added bonus is that the brass lasts a long time. It's a win/win.

As for the big boars, I normally just let them go. I know it's bad conservation, since Florida is second only to Texas in having a feral pig problem, but here's the way I look at it. 1) They're breeders. Again, poor varmint control on my part, but they keep us supplied with this 50-75 pounders that I do like to eat. 2) Frankly, they're just too hard to handle (loading, cleaning, etc.). 3)We often have guests out on the property, many of which don't get to hunt very often, so those big boars often wind up being their trophies (they make nice shoulder mounts). 4) This one is important to me: You should see the eyes of a kid when he/she drops a big old boar that easily outweighs them by 250 pounds. That makes for some serious class-room talk on Monday morning, especially with pictures.

So, as I said, I generally just let them walk. I figure that someone will eventually harvest them, not to mention that the fellow who runs the cattle will drop them on sight, regardless of size.

Of the 30+ my BIL and I generally take each year, the vast majority are under 100 pounds, so they all get used (eaten), either by us or by folks we sometimes give the meat to. Considering that in some parts of the country, guns get cleaned and put away at the end of hunting season, having access to these critters 24/7/365 ain't all that bad.

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#11832637 - 02/17/17 Re: 7x57 Mauser [Re: Otis]
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Originally Posted By Otis
Nice one Rev bullet comparison too! I'm shooting the SST 139 gr. they seem to hold together better than the Interlocks!


I haven't loaded the SST, but the Interlocks seem to do well on game. Maybe it just wasn't up to the test medium - tightly packed dry newspaper. I have that bullet in front of me right now and you can still see pieces of the paper in it. That inexpensive Prvi Grom came out exactly as you see it in the picture.

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#11833293 - 02/17/17 Re: 7x57 Mauser [Re: Reloder28]
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Have you tried the ones you call stinky? I'll admit my experience on over 200lbrs is limited, only 4, some have smelled pretty bad. Even those tasted OK. You might try one. I think you and I pretty much are old school. If I shoot it I eat it. Exclusive of coyote and crows, of course. I'll never understand those that intentionally gut shoot one, only to let it die a miserable death. You might try splitting the differences. Try just skinning one ham and both backstraps. Give them a try. You might be surprised. If they're awful give them to your dog or an annoying neighbor. smile Captdavid
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#11833333 - 02/17/17 Re: 7x57 Mauser [Re: Reloder28]
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One interesting summation of the 7x57 was made by, I believe, Pete Brown of Sports Afield in an article I recall reading as a kid. He described it at being "like a boat that was 40 feet on the outside and 80 feet on the inside."

That quote stuck with me all these years. He also did an article on the 300 and 375 H&H and started me down the road toward my fondness for the old 300.
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#11833350 - 02/17/17 Re: 7x57 Mauser [Re: Reloder28]
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I believe the H&H one was in Gun Digest. Captdavid
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