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Ken Waters passing #11834664 02/17/17 Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 2,342 Finger Lakes NY fishdog52 OP Campfire Regular OP fishdog52 Campfire Regular Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 2,342 Finger Lakes NY Saw today in Handloader that Ken Waters passed away. Thought a lot of his advice over the years and generally enjoyed Pet Loads. Last edited by fishdog52; 02/17/17. Imagine your grave on a windy winter night. You've been dead for 70 years. It's been 50 since a visitor last paused at your tombstone..... Now explain why you're in a pissy mood today.

Re: Ken Waters passing fishdog52 #11834667 02/17/17 Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 30,934 USA J jwp475 Campfire 'Bwana jwp475 Campfire 'Bwana J Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 30,934 USA R. I. P. I got banned on another web site for a debate that happened on this site. That's a first

Re: Ken Waters passing fishdog52 #11834686 02/17/17 Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 37,129 Central Louisiana D Dirtfarmer Campfire 'Bwana Dirtfarmer Campfire 'Bwana D Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 37,129 Central Louisiana Sorry to hear that. Anyone have a link to his obit?. I really liked his straight forward approach and thorough research. Not too unlike JB. DF

Re: Ken Waters passing fishdog52 #11834710 02/17/17 Joined: Feb 2006 Posts: 2,483 PaleRider Campfire Regular PaleRider Campfire Regular Joined: Feb 2006 Posts: 2,483 RIP Ken Waters...............

Re: Ken Waters passing fishdog52 #11834733 02/17/17 Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 5,617 Columbia, S.C. SCGunNut Campfire Tracker SCGunNut Campfire Tracker Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 5,617 Columbia, S.C. My God, a wealth of knowledge gone. I'd feel fortunate to have a quarter of the knowledge he'd forgotten...

Re: Ken Waters passing fishdog52 #11834739 02/17/17 Joined: Oct 2002 Posts: 96,121 S Steelhead Campfire Oracle Steelhead Campfire Oracle S Joined: Oct 2002 Posts: 96,121 http://www.hoytfuneralhome.com/memsol.cgi?user_id=1901682 "Dear Lord, save me from Your followers"

Re: Ken Waters passing fishdog52 #11834744 02/17/17 Joined: Oct 2014 Posts: 871 North Carolina G gwrench Campfire Regular gwrench Campfire Regular G Joined: Oct 2014 Posts: 871 North Carolina http://ncadvertiser.com/92394/obituary-kenneth-l-waters-99-ww-ii-veteran-former-town-official/ We all know advertising works, we just don’t think it works on US!

Re: Ken Waters passing Steelhead #11834779 02/17/17 Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 37,129 Central Louisiana D Dirtfarmer Campfire 'Bwana Dirtfarmer Campfire 'Bwana D Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 37,129 Central Louisiana Thanks guys for the Obit. Very interesting guy and 99 yrs. old. Wow! He lived a good, productive and full life. May he R.I.P. DF

Re: Ken Waters passing fishdog52 #11834780 02/17/17 Joined: Sep 2010 Posts: 19,179 Southern Arkansas J jwall Campfire Ranger jwall Campfire Ranger J Joined: Sep 2010 Posts: 19,179 Southern Arkansas Man I'm sorry about that. I thot a lot of him and enjoyed his writings. A friend of mine had a 7X30 in a Contender back in the 80s. R I P Mr. Ken Thanks for posting this Jerry jwall- *** 3100 guy*** A Flat Trajectory is Never a Handicap Speed is Trajectory's Friend !!

Re: Ken Waters passing jwall #11834874 02/17/17 Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 638 Back Home Spartacus Campfire Regular Spartacus Campfire Regular Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 638 Back Home R.I.P. Ken Texas

Re: Ken Waters passing fishdog52 #11834887 02/17/17 Joined: Oct 2004 Posts: 4,192 Warshington, Wet Side Brazos Campfire Tracker Brazos Campfire Tracker Joined: Oct 2004 Posts: 4,192 Warshington, Wet Side Godspeed Ken.

Re: Ken Waters passing Brazos #11834891 02/17/17 Joined: Oct 2004 Posts: 16,915 Time to be someplace else 2 284LUVR Campfire Ranger 284LUVR Campfire Ranger 2 Joined: Oct 2004 Posts: 16,915 Time to be someplace else Enjoyed his writings for quite a few years. RIP.

Re: Ken Waters passing fishdog52 #11834898 02/17/17 Joined: Oct 2011 Posts: 623 Gone D Deflagrate Campfire Regular Deflagrate Campfire Regular D Joined: Oct 2011 Posts: 623 Gone I just had Pet Loads out last night reading about 300 Savage. He was one writer I never passed over even if the cartridge didn't interest me. Fair wind and following Seas, Mr. Waters.

Re: Ken Waters passing Deflagrate #11834901 02/17/17 Joined: Aug 2002 Posts: 14,466 Northern Arizona S SU35 Campfire Outfitter SU35 Campfire Outfitter S Joined: Aug 2002 Posts: 14,466 Northern Arizona One of the very best and one of my favorites. He passed on a great legacy to us all. Thank you, Ken Waters.

Re: Ken Waters passing fishdog52 #11834913 02/17/17 Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 8,423 dogzapper Campfire Kahuna Emeritus & Campfire Outfitter dogzapper Campfire Kahuna Emeritus & Campfire Outfitter Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 8,423 A fine man and a life very well lived. Godspeed my old and dear friend. Steve "God Loves Each Of Us As If There Were Only One Of Us" Saint Augustine of Hippo - AD 397

Re: Ken Waters passing fishdog52 #11834949 02/17/17 Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 2,343 S.E Alaska tkinak Campfire Regular tkinak Campfire Regular Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 2,343 S.E Alaska I'll have to send some 7-30's down range in his honor.

Re: Ken Waters passing fishdog52 #11835066 02/17/17 Joined: Dec 2015 Posts: 5,531 S Sako76 Campfire Tracker Sako76 Campfire Tracker S Joined: Dec 2015 Posts: 5,531 RIP Ken Waters!

Re: Ken Waters passing fishdog52 #11835078 02/17/17 Joined: Feb 2011 Posts: 17,784 Wyoming W WyoCoyoteHunter Campfire Ranger WyoCoyoteHunter Campfire Ranger W Joined: Feb 2011 Posts: 17,784 Wyoming Sorry to hear this.. RIP. Molon Labe

Re: Ken Waters passing fishdog52 #11835142 02/17/17 Joined: Jul 2001 Posts: 60,134 Likes: 9 Banana Belt, Montana M Mule Deer Campfire Kahuna Mule Deer Campfire Kahuna M Joined: Jul 2001 Posts: 60,134 Likes: 9 Banana Belt, Montana Ken was not only a major factor in helping two very small magazines get their start in the 1960's, eventually helping RIFLE and HANDLOADER become much larger parts of the shooting industry, but a major influence on many later writers aditors. I know PET LOADS is always handy in my office, one of perhaps two dozen essential references. Though many of the powders and even bullets mentioned are no longer available, he helped set the standard in handloading research, so will live on far beyond his many years of shooting and writing. “Montana seems to me to be what a small boy would think Texas is like from hearing Texans.” John Steinbeck

Re: Ken Waters passing fishdog52 #11835148 02/17/17 Joined: Aug 2009 Posts: 96,158 Likes: 3 Southern New Mexico E elkhunternm Campfire Oracle elkhunternm Campfire Oracle E Joined: Aug 2009 Posts: 96,158 Likes: 3 Southern New Mexico R.I.P. Ken Waters. Life Member SCI Life Member DSC Member New Mexico Shooting Sports Association Take your responsibilities seriously, never yourself-Ken Howell Proper bullet placement + sufficient penetration = quick, clean kill. Finn Aagard Ken

Re: Ken Waters passing fishdog52 #11835386 02/18/17 Joined: Apr 2008 Posts: 1,976 L lotech Campfire Regular lotech Campfire Regular L Joined: Apr 2008 Posts: 1,976 Ken Waters was the best. I began reading his GUN DIGEST material before HANDLOADER started in '66. Thirty years ago I received a one-and-one-half page, single-spaced, typewritten reply from him in response to a question. I was impressed that he would take the time, effort, and interest to do such.

Re: Ken Waters passing fishdog52 #11835388 02/18/17 Joined: Feb 2010 Posts: 17,819 G gunswizard Campfire Ranger gunswizard Campfire Ranger G Joined: Feb 2010 Posts: 17,819 Back in the early days Ken would answer handloader's letters, I have several in my files. Pet Loads was a great work, a treasure trove of reloading data, Ken will be missed.

Re: Ken Waters passing fishdog52 #11835438 02/18/17 Joined: Feb 2009 Posts: 8,073 Deer Park Texas hasbeen1945 Campfire Outfitter hasbeen1945 Campfire Outfitter Joined: Feb 2009 Posts: 8,073 Deer Park Texas I've loaned my copies of Pet Loads to a lot of new reloaders. A lot of the powders are now obsolete. But the basics remain the same. Hasbeen hasbeen (Better a has been than a never was!) NRA Patron member Try to live your life where the preacher doesn't have to lie at your funeral

Re: Ken Waters passing fishdog52 #11835466 02/18/17 Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 19,822 Alaska/Texas A APDDSN0864 Campfire Ranger APDDSN0864 Campfire Ranger A Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 19,822 Alaska/Texas R.I.P. Mr. Waters. The timing of his wife's passing coincides with him stopping responding to letters. I had wondered if he had passed away back then. While I'm glad to know he didn't, I'm sad to hear that he has now passed. Ed "Not in an open forum, where truth has less value than opinions, where all opinions are equally welcome regardless of their origins, rationale, inanity, or truth, where opinions are neither of equal value nor decisive." Ken Howell

Re: Ken Waters passing fishdog52 #11835494 02/18/17 Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 162 Dekker Campfire Member Dekker Campfire Member Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 162 RIP Mr. Waters. I enjoyed his writings/articles very much.

Re: Ken Waters passing fishdog52 #11835502 02/18/17 Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 53,303 Southeastern AZ crossfireoops Campfire Kahuna crossfireoops Campfire Kahuna Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 53,303 Southeastern AZ He sure would take the time to respond to one's letters and queries. That being back in the days where a month's turn around was considered normal, and a trip to the PO in a town 40 miles away was a twice a month occurrence. We are diminished. GTC Member, Clan of the Border Rats -- “Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it.”- Mark Twain

Re: Ken Waters passing fishdog52 #11835535 02/18/17 Joined: May 2003 Posts: 31,255 Likes: 3 Ogden, Utah RockyRaab Campfire 'Bwana RockyRaab Campfire 'Bwana Joined: May 2003 Posts: 31,255 Likes: 3 Ogden, Utah As mentioned above, Ken's writings were a model for many, many fledgling reloading writers, including yours truly. One cannot overestimate the positive effect Mr Waters had on the shooting world. Cleverly disguised as a responsible adult.

Re: Ken Waters passing fishdog52 #11835546 02/18/17 Joined: Oct 2007 Posts: 84 E ERW3 Campfire Greenhorn ERW3 Campfire Greenhorn E Joined: Oct 2007 Posts: 84 Sorry to hear of his passing. I have spent many hours reading pet loads and always enjoyed Mr. Waters writings. I need to purchase the supplement updates.

Re: Ken Waters passing fishdog52 #11835592 02/18/17 Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 22,274 Back in Texas, for good! tex_n_cal Campfire Ranger tex_n_cal Campfire Ranger Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 22,274 Back in Texas, for good! Sorry to read of his passing. I too have Pet Loads here. As a young person, his writings on vintage rifles and cartridges had a significant influence on me, and inspired my interest in them. I once wrote him regarding loads for the .32-40, and he replied with a very thoughtful typed reply. His method of judging pressure my case expansion is somewhat outdated today, but it was a step forward in its time. Outside of shooting, it is obvious he was a talented man who proudly served his country and community. RIP sir, we are diminished in your passing. "...the designer of the .270 Ingwe cartridge!..."

Re: Ken Waters passing fishdog52 #11835621 02/18/17 Joined: Sep 2015 Posts: 833 S scottishkat Campfire Regular scottishkat Campfire Regular S Joined: Sep 2015 Posts: 833 Sorry to hear of Ken's passing almost 100 years wow RIP brother.

Re: Ken Waters passing fishdog52 #11835641 02/18/17 Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 5,844 Craigmont, Idaho M mart Campfire Tracker mart Campfire Tracker M Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 5,844 Craigmont, Idaho RIP Ken. He was a giant in the field. His "Pet Loads" is still the first manual I reach for and his articles (I have Handloader from #1 to present) are the first ones I check when I start working with a new round. Chronographs, bore scopes and pattern boards have broke a lot of hearts.

Re: Ken Waters passing fishdog52 #11835713 02/18/17 Joined: Aug 2002 Posts: 1,970 idaho 1 1234 Campfire Regular 1234 Campfire Regular 1 Joined: Aug 2002 Posts: 1,970 idaho RIP Ken

Re: Ken Waters passing fishdog52 #11835742 02/18/17 Joined: Sep 2004 Posts: 7,437 Tennessee T TNrifleman Campfire Tracker TNrifleman Campfire Tracker T Joined: Sep 2004 Posts: 7,437 Tennessee Rest in peace, sir. μολὼν λαβέ

Re: Ken Waters passing fishdog52 #11835826 02/18/17 Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 151,583 Likes: 8 Texas hanco Campfire Savant hanco Campfire Savant Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 151,583 Likes: 8 Texas RIP

Re: Ken Waters passing fishdog52 #11835880 02/18/17 Joined: Jun 2005 Posts: 12,352 Likes: 1 Tucson AZ P PJGunner Campfire Outfitter PJGunner Campfire Outfitter P Joined: Jun 2005 Posts: 12,352 Likes: 1 Tucson AZ R.I.P. Mr. Waters. You are missed. Paul B. Our forefathers did not politely protest the British.They did not vote them out of office, nor did they impeach the king,march on the capitol or ask permission for their rights. ----------------They just shot them. MOLON LABE

Re: Ken Waters passing fishdog52 #11835931 02/18/17 Joined: Aug 2002 Posts: 2,584 natman Campfire Regular natman Campfire Regular Joined: Aug 2002 Posts: 2,584 I've got a well worn copy of both volumes of Pet Loads, spent many hours reading and re-reading them. Sounds like he had a long and productive life. That's a pretty good epitaph. RIP, and thanks.

Re: Ken Waters passing fishdog52 #11835988 02/18/17 Joined: May 2002 Posts: 2,841 USA T TomT Campfire Regular TomT Campfire Regular T Joined: May 2002 Posts: 2,841 USA I have gleamed much reloading info. from Mr. Waters over the decades. I saved many a "Pet Loads" column and they live in my reloading room with all of the other books & printouts of loading data. He will be greatly missed. RIP Ken Waters! "I'm from the government, and I'm here to help"

Re: Ken Waters passing fishdog52 #11836019 02/18/17 Joined: Apr 2004 Posts: 1,511 Kansas D DoeSlayer Campfire Regular DoeSlayer Campfire Regular D Joined: Apr 2004 Posts: 1,511 Kansas I found Ken in the mid 80's upon buying my first deer rifle, a Win 94 chambered in 7x30 Waters. My only copy of Pet Loads feel apart from use a few years ago. In the mid 90's, when he was still on the "Handloader" staff, I wrote him a couple of letters and still have the responses. Wish there were more in the world like him. RIP Ken. "The only two things in life that make it worth livin' Is guitars that tune good and firm feelin' women"

Re: Ken Waters passing crossfireoops #11836297 02/18/17 Joined: Apr 2010 Posts: 223 Tn R RelodR Campfire Member RelodR Campfire Member R Joined: Apr 2010 Posts: 223 Tn Back in the day of letter writing, we talked at length about a project I had started. He seemed kind and patient with a young man who wanted to learn. I wanted a 416 express having read about it in Pet Loads. Think I'll take her out and shoot while remembering Mr Ken. Take a kid hunting!!! Old member name - Reloader - joined 2001

Re: Ken Waters passing fishdog52 #11836529 02/18/17 Joined: Oct 2007 Posts: 14,262 N.E.Wisconsin H Huntz Campfire Outfitter Huntz Campfire Outfitter H Joined: Oct 2007 Posts: 14,262 N.E.Wisconsin Gonna miss you Ken.RIP Its all right to be white!! Stupidity left unattended will run rampant Don't argue with stupid people, They will drag you down to their level and then win by experience

Re: Ken Waters passing fishdog52 #11836873 02/18/17 Joined: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,943 G GF1 Campfire Tracker GF1 Campfire Tracker G Joined: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,943 He wrote plainly, clearly and with authenticity. Pet Loads is his enduring memorial. Thank you, Ken. R.I.P.

Re: Ken Waters passing fishdog52 #11836892 02/18/17 Joined: Feb 2010 Posts: 15,681 Likes: 1 ms N navlav8r Campfire Ranger navlav8r Campfire Ranger N Joined: Feb 2010 Posts: 15,681 Likes: 1 ms I never skipped over "Pet Loads" when my "Handloader" came in. Many times when I got a rifle chambered in a cartridge I'd never worked with before I'd refer to "Pet Loads" to get a start. NRA Life,Endowment,Patron or Benefactor since '72.

Re: Ken Waters passing fishdog52 #11836938 02/18/17 Joined: Apr 2015 Posts: 176 oklahoma J jd9770 Campfire Member jd9770 Campfire Member J Joined: Apr 2015 Posts: 176 oklahoma Rest In Peace Ken Waters. His ability to explain the why as well as the how in easy to understand language was what always captivated me. And the fact that he was willing to try any cartridge at least once, if for no other reason than it was produced at some point.

Re: Ken Waters passing fishdog52 #11837015 02/18/17 Joined: Nov 2006 Posts: 10,807 The Palmetto State C cra1948 Campfire Outfitter cra1948 Campfire Outfitter C Joined: Nov 2006 Posts: 10,807 The Palmetto State One of the good ones. Mathew 22: 37-39

Re: Ken Waters passing fishdog52 #11837030 02/18/17 Joined: Sep 2008 Posts: 5,733 North Carolina C colodog Campfire Tracker colodog Campfire Tracker C Joined: Sep 2008 Posts: 5,733 North Carolina A life spent learning and teaching and learning more, always passing it on. Thank you Ken Waters. "Camping places fix themselves in your mind as if you had spent long periods of your life in them. You will remember a curve of your wagon track in the grass of the plain like the features of a friend." Isak Dinesen

Re: Ken Waters passing fishdog52 #11837053 02/18/17 Joined: Sep 2008 Posts: 15,547 Likes: 2 The Great Southwest CCCC Campfire Ranger CCCC Campfire Ranger Joined: Sep 2008 Posts: 15,547 Likes: 2 The Great Southwest Sorry to learn this - RIP Mr. Ken. How many times have I (and so many of us) referred to his Pet Loads and numerous articles? A treasure trove of solid info from a man gracious in giving of his knowledge and experiences. I enjoyed a couple of visits with him in New Caanan and tried again to do so when through there last May. Here in the shop, I keep small firearm accessories/parts in several cigar boxes that were his - EW Top Stone was his choice back then. The Contender in 7-30 Waters is right here - need to load and shoot some tomorrow - will look in the book again for memory sake. NRA Member - Life, Benefactor, Patron

Re: Ken Waters passing fishdog52 #11837142 02/18/17 Joined: Oct 2004 Posts: 23,368 Likes: 2 Atlanta hatari Campfire Ranger hatari Campfire Ranger Joined: Oct 2004 Posts: 23,368 Likes: 2 Atlanta My enthusiasm for hand loading came from reading Ken's Pet Loads. I'll miss him. "The Democrat Party looks like Titanic survivors. Partying and celebrating one moment, and huddled in lifeboats freezing the next". Hatari 2017 "Hokey religions and ancient weapons are no match for a good blaster at your side, kid." Han Solo

Re: Ken Waters passing fishdog52 #11837146 02/18/17 Joined: Dec 2009 Posts: 4,589 Northern Ca S sidepass Campfire Tracker sidepass Campfire Tracker S Joined: Dec 2009 Posts: 4,589 Northern Ca God bless and God speed Ken. Your pet loads has and will always be an important part of my loading bench. Never take life to seriously, after all ,no one gets out of it alive.

Re: Ken Waters passing hatari #11837195 02/18/17 Joined: Sep 2008 Posts: 1,276 United States of America F Farming Campfire Regular Farming Campfire Regular F Joined: Sep 2008 Posts: 1,276 United States of America Originally Posted by hatari My enthusiasm for hand loading came from reading Ken's Pet Loads. I'll miss him. Thumbed thru that book many many times. Ken's passing signals the end of an era. May he Rest In Peace.

Re: Ken Waters passing Farming #11837364 02/18/17 Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 17,174 Northern California Hammerdown Campfire Ranger Hammerdown Campfire Ranger Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 17,174 Northern California Godspeed Ken, Rest in peace. Randy NRA Patriot Life Benefactor

Re: Ken Waters passing Hammerdown #11837417 02/18/17 Joined: Mar 2004 Posts: 6,065 Michigan T tomk Campfire Tracker tomk Campfire Tracker T Joined: Mar 2004 Posts: 6,065 Michigan Ken Waters contributed as much as anyone to handloading. It was a privilege to read his research. Defend the Constitution

Re: Ken Waters passing fishdog52 #11837433 02/18/17 Joined: Aug 2008 Posts: 885 W WVGuy Campfire Regular WVGuy Campfire Regular W Joined: Aug 2008 Posts: 885 I spent hours reading his articles and Pet Loads books. He gave a lot of us a wealth of information.

Re: Ken Waters passing fishdog52 #11837483 02/18/17 Joined: Aug 2005 Posts: 15,680 Likes: 3 Fairbanksan in Aleutian Hell stevelyn Campfire Ranger stevelyn Campfire Ranger Joined: Aug 2005 Posts: 15,680 Likes: 3 Fairbanksan in Aleutian Hell I'm sorry to hear this. He lived a very interesting and successful life. He certainly contributed greatly to us. Pet Loads is my most valued book on reloading. RIP Sir. Z

Re: Ken Waters passing fishdog52 #11837505 02/18/17 Joined: Oct 2011 Posts: 8,573 Northwest corner of Louisiana W websterparish47 Campfire Outfitter websterparish47 Campfire Outfitter W Joined: Oct 2011 Posts: 8,573 Northwest corner of Louisiana I seem to recall he was testing bullet expansion, so he'd climb up on the high dive board and fire into his swimming pool and have his nephews jump in and recover the bullets. U.S. Army Mineplanting ? Had never heard of that. A very interesting and knowledgeable man. He will be missed.

Re: Ken Waters passing Hammerdown #11838303 02/19/17 Joined: Jun 2002 Posts: 11,951 NB / Canada SuperCub Campfire Outfitter SuperCub Campfire Outfitter Joined: Jun 2002 Posts: 11,951 NB / Canada Like many of us here, I learned how to handload before the internet from several books and manuals available in that day. Pet Loads was the best of the bunch and still gets used. Someone should do an updated Pet Loads with modern chamberings and components. It would be a fine tribute to Ken Waters and his efforts.

Re: Ken Waters passing SuperCub #11838319 02/19/17 Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 37,129 Central Louisiana D Dirtfarmer Campfire 'Bwana Dirtfarmer Campfire 'Bwana D Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 37,129 Central Louisiana Originally Posted by SuperCub Like many of us here, I learned how to handload before the internet from several books and manuals available in that day. Pet Loads was the best of the bunch and still gets used. Someone should do an updated Pet Loads with modern chamberings and components. It would be a fine tribute to Ken Waters and his efforts. Had that same thought. Would be a lot of work, like a lifetime of work. DF

Re: Ken Waters passing Dirtfarmer #11838324 02/19/17 Joined: May 2005 Posts: 6,546 Pikeville, TN L LeonHitchcox Campfire Tracker LeonHitchcox Campfire Tracker L Joined: May 2005 Posts: 6,546 Pikeville, TN I don't see how one person could tackle that job. With the proliferation of components available today the task is next to impossible. Personally, I am hoping JB does an update on his Handloads That Work article. Also, I would like to see a digital copy of Pet Loads.

Re: Ken Waters passing fishdog52 #11838340 02/19/17 Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 19,495 desert G g5m Campfire Ranger g5m Campfire Ranger G Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 19,495 desert R.I.P. Retired cat herder.

Re: Ken Waters passing SuperCub #11838419 02/19/17 Joined: May 2005 Posts: 17,133 Freedom Pugs Campfire Ranger Pugs Campfire Ranger Joined: May 2005 Posts: 17,133 Freedom Originally Posted by SuperCub Like many of us here, I learned how to handload before the internet from several books and manuals available in that day. Pet Loads was the best of the bunch and still gets used. Someone should do an updated Pet Loads with modern chamberings and components. It would be a fine tribute to Ken Waters and his efforts. Sorry to hear of his passing. Pet loads is one of those books I go to for something specific and end up "wasting" another hour with "hmmm, I didn't know that" If something on the internet makes you angry the odds are you're being manipulated

Re: Ken Waters passing fishdog52 #11838478 02/19/17 Joined: Nov 2011 Posts: 2,412 Georgia B BlackHunter Campfire Regular BlackHunter Campfire Regular B Joined: Nov 2011 Posts: 2,412 Georgia I learned so much from Pet Loads. May he Rest In Peace. I always enjoyed his writings. SCI Life Member DAV Life Member NRA Life Member North American Hunt Club Life Member Your true character shows in your conduct You cannot solve a problem at the same level of awareness that created it - Einstein

Re: Ken Waters passing LeonHitchcox #11838705 02/19/17 Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 37,129 Central Louisiana D Dirtfarmer Campfire 'Bwana Dirtfarmer Campfire 'Bwana D Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 37,129 Central Louisiana Originally Posted by LeonHitchcox I don't see how one person could tackle that job. With the proliferation of components available today the task is next to impossible. Personally, I am hoping JB does an update on his Handloads That Work article. Also, I would like to see a digital copy of Pet Loads. You're right about that being a near impossible task. The beauty of the Fire, we have multiple contributors working on a vast array of projects. A lot of Fire info is high quality and well done, some not as disciplined and documneted as work by JB, Ken or other professional gun writers. But, it's info nonetheless. We can sort it out, interact, ask questions, ultimately check it out for ourselves. DF

Re: Ken Waters passing fishdog52 #11838870 02/19/17 Joined: Jan 2002 Posts: 12,852 Likes: 4 Pocatello Dutch Campfire Outfitter Dutch Campfire Outfitter Joined: Jan 2002 Posts: 12,852 Likes: 4 Pocatello Thank you Mr. Waters for the knowledge and joy over many years. Go with God..... Sic Semper Tyrannis

Re: Ken Waters passing fishdog52 #11839181 02/19/17 Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 10,258 Colorado Springs, CO Prwlr Campfire Outfitter Prwlr Campfire Outfitter Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 10,258 Colorado Springs, CO RIP Ken Ed A person who asks a question is a fool for 5 minutes the person who never asks is a fool forever. The worst slaves are those that put the chains on themselves.

Re: Ken Waters passing fishdog52 #11839348 02/19/17 Joined: May 2009 Posts: 591 L longbarrel Campfire Regular longbarrel Campfire Regular L Joined: May 2009 Posts: 591 Sorry to hear about our losing another giant in the field. His data were always reliable and his work unfailingly gave an excellent place to start load development. His pressure reports were one of the most valuable contributions to his data. NRA Benefactor Life Member NAHC Life Member

Re: Ken Waters passing fishdog52 #11839407 02/19/17 Joined: Mar 2005 Posts: 1,581 Yukon, Canada N North61 Campfire Regular North61 Campfire Regular N Joined: Mar 2005 Posts: 1,581 Yukon, Canada Ken's writings taught me how to be a reloader and how to approach things in a systematic way. He will be missed!

Re: Ken Waters passing fishdog52 #11839949 02/19/17 Joined: Jul 2005 Posts: 12,530 Radcliff, Kentucky R ratsmacker Campfire Outfitter ratsmacker Campfire Outfitter R Joined: Jul 2005 Posts: 12,530 Radcliff, Kentucky Pet Loads is one of those references you run to, when you just bought a old codger of a rifle that current data doesn't service well, like .30/30 or .38/40. His stuff was always useful in some way, though a bit dated now, it sure helped with some guidance when data was scarce or non-existent. I'll sure miss that, Waters seemed like a heckuva nice guy in his writings. I've about worn out my copy of Pet Loads, but I gained a lot by his research. RIP Mr. Waters. You can roll a turd in peanuts, dip it in chocolate, and it still ain't no damn Baby Ruth.

Re: Ken Waters passing fishdog52 #11840117 02/19/17 Joined: Apr 2004 Posts: 42,801 Likes: 1 Southern Oregon USA S Seafire Campfire 'Bwana Seafire Campfire 'Bwana S Joined: Apr 2004 Posts: 42,801 Likes: 1 Southern Oregon USA Rest in Peace Mr. Waters... Died 6 months short of his 100th birthday.... as was said, certainly lived a full and accomplished life... "Minus the killings, Washington has one of the lowest crime rates in the Country" Marion Barry, Mayor of Wash DC “Owning guns is not a right. If it were a right, it would be in the Constitution.” ~Alexandria Ocasio Cortez

Re: Ken Waters passing fishdog52 #11840655 02/20/17 Joined: Oct 2010 Posts: 586 central Ohio G gaperry59 Campfire Regular gaperry59 Campfire Regular G Joined: Oct 2010 Posts: 586 central Ohio What a life! If you've ever read the whole volume of Pet Loads, you have to wonder how he ever had time to do anything else. That guy must have never sat down in his whole life, he was that busy.

Re: Ken Waters passing gaperry59 #11840687 02/20/17 Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 37,129 Central Louisiana D Dirtfarmer Campfire 'Bwana Dirtfarmer Campfire 'Bwana D Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 37,129 Central Louisiana Originally Posted by gaperry59 What a life! If you've ever read the whole volume of Pet Loads, you have to wonder how he ever had time to do anything else. That guy must have never sat down in his whole life, he was that busy. He was very productive, for sure. But, he did a lot of other stuff, as well. A full life, well lived. DF

Re: Ken Waters passing fishdog52 #11841086 02/20/17 Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 4,173 Georgia Mathsr Campfire Tracker Mathsr Campfire Tracker Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 4,173 Georgia Another good one gone! Dang. Love his Pet Loads book. I borrowed my brothers book years ago and keep forgetting to give it back. I bet Mr Waters will be working with the Lord's Thunder n Lightening crew. Harry

Re: Ken Waters passing fishdog52 #11841815 02/20/17 Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 16,000 arizona R RoninPhx Campfire Ranger RoninPhx Campfire Ranger R Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 16,000 arizona I started with the pet loads i think as far back as the 70's. i still read it regularly just to read the articles. times have changed, but i still use a lot of the loads he recommended. go with God Ken, you had influence on a whole lot of people. THE BIRTH PLACE OF GERONIMO

Re: Ken Waters passing fishdog52 #11842122 02/20/17 Joined: Feb 2001 Posts: 398 Middle TN P Plateau Hunter Campfire Member Plateau Hunter Campfire Member P Joined: Feb 2001 Posts: 398 Middle TN My well used volumes of Pet Loads are my favorite reloading references having earned that distinction over many years. In my shooting related correspondence there are 2-3 type written responses from Ken regarding some questions that I asked regarding some reloading or cartridge issue. He was a great man by all accounts and I am pleased to have known him through his writings. RIP, Ken.

Re: Ken Waters passing fishdog52 #11842263 02/20/17 Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 23,098 Annapolis, Md. G gnoahhh Campfire Ranger gnoahhh Campfire Ranger G Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 23,098 Annapolis, Md. Aside from his "Pet Loads" work, one thing that gave me a kick was his description of his home test range. He actually did what I threatened to do many times (and sometimes still do, when the scotch has my undivided attention), and that was he dug a 100 yard long trench out from his basement, laid concrete drain pipe in it, and backfilled- voila, a 100 yard underground indoor test range. I'm betting his wife was a very understanding/long suffering woman! R.I.P. Last edited by gnoahhh; 02/20/17. "You can lead a man to logic, but you cannot make him think." Joe Harz "Always certain, often right." Keith McCafferty

Re: Ken Waters passing fishdog52 #11842298 02/20/17 Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 3,113 League City, TX nimrodtracy Campfire Tracker nimrodtracy Campfire Tracker Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 3,113 League City, TX RIP Mr. Waters, loved his pet loads It is not about what you kill, it is about the hunt....

Re: Ken Waters passing fishdog52 #11842490 02/20/17 Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 17,270 The Land of Cotton GeoW Campfire Ranger GeoW Campfire Ranger Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 17,270 The Land of Cotton Another one of the good guys gone. RIP geo "I have sworn upon the altar of God, eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man." Thomas Jefferson GeoW, The "Unwoke" ...Let's go Brandon! "A Well Regulated Militia" Life Member

Re: Ken Waters passing fishdog52 #11842638 02/20/17 Joined: Jul 2011 Posts: 23,453 4ager Campfire Ranger 4ager Campfire Ranger Joined: Jul 2011 Posts: 23,453 RIP, Mr. Waters. Originally Posted by Mannlicher America needs to understand that our troops are not 'disposable'. Each represents a family; Fathers, Mothers, Sons, Daughters, Cousins, Uncles, Aunts... Our Citizens are our most valuable treasure; we waste far too many.

Re: Ken Waters passing fishdog52 #11842690 02/20/17 Joined: May 2003 Posts: 1,371 West Texas william_iorg Campfire Regular william_iorg Campfire Regular Joined: May 2003 Posts: 1,371 West Texas Like many of the early writers on handloading Ken Waters influence was far reaching. J.R. Mattern, J. Bushnell Smith, Harvey Donaldson, Earl Naramore and several other writers shared their passion for rifles and handloading in the budding business of gun writing. Ken Howell once commented on how little Waters received for his writing. Mule Deer pointed out these writers kept the young gun magazines from going broke. Ken Waters column Precision Reloading in the early Shooting Times has a similar look and feel to the later Pet Loads articles. Some of the pictures for both the Shooting times and Handloader articles had to have been taken at the same time. Dave Wolfe driving the bus for both magazines. Here is a Meet the Gunwriters from the December 1962 issue of Shooting times. Slim

Re: Ken Waters passing fishdog52 #11843398 02/21/17 Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 10,084 Texas temmi Campfire Outfitter temmi Campfire Outfitter Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 10,084 Texas a real loss very sorry That which does not kill us makes us stronger Friedrich Nietzsche

Re: Ken Waters passing fishdog52 #11843459 02/21/17 Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 918 Hatfield, AR. O Otis Campfire Regular Otis Campfire Regular O Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 918 Hatfield, AR. Remarkable man it seems, as with all good men we hope to remember a man we all respected and enjoyed and his passions for guns as we do! Rest In Peace Ken Waters! Semper Fi USMC/0331

Re: Ken Waters passing fishdog52 #11843482 02/21/17 Joined: May 2010 Posts: 1,443 Central NYS S shawlerbrook Campfire Regular shawlerbrook Campfire Regular S Joined: May 2010 Posts: 1,443 Central NYS A true pioneer. His 7x30 is still one of my favorites. He will be missed ! R.I.P.

Re: Ken Waters passing fishdog52 #11844249 02/21/17 Joined: Jul 2004 Posts: 4,722 Eastern PA steve99 Campfire Tracker steve99 Campfire Tracker Joined: Jul 2004 Posts: 4,722 Eastern PA He earned his rest. Rest in peace. "Americans have the right and advantage of being armed-unlike the citizens of other countries whose governments are afraid to trust the people with arms." James Madison

Re: Ken Waters passing fishdog52 #11849650 02/23/17 Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 626 SoDak N nick Campfire Regular nick Campfire Regular N Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 626 SoDak I'm sad. I still refer to "Pet Loads" every time I test a new to me cartridge. Ken was my mentor in my mind as far as getting my start in reloading. He was very thorough in the way he worked up loads and such. Each cartridge had a "story" along with the rifles he tested them in. I've tried many cartridges based on his praise for them. I always wished I could have met him, or at least dropped a letter in the mail to him. R.I.P. Ken

Re: Ken Waters passing fishdog52 #11858534 02/26/17 Joined: Feb 2015 Posts: 44 Crestview, Florida SpritWalker Campfire Greenhorn SpritWalker Campfire Greenhorn Joined: Feb 2015 Posts: 44 Crestview, Florida When I started reloading- as a young man in the Army- his work and love of the art ensured my success at the bench.. R.I.P

Re: Ken Waters passing fishdog52 #11876947 03/05/17 Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 2,226 fremont Campfire Regular fremont Campfire Regular Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 2,226 I remember buying Pet Loads about 10 years ago and not being able to put it down. About 3-4 years ago, the wife of another 'fire member texted me and asked what I thought her husband might like for Christmas. Without hesitation, "Pet Loads." I'm not sure it's ever left his bathroom. Ken, I'd fire off a 7-30 M94 in your honor......if I could find & afford one. Thanks for all of your amazing contributions. Two of my favorite handloading books are PL and Ken Howell's book on metallic cartridges. Two huge losses in a short period of time. Murphy was a grunt.

Re: Ken Waters passing fishdog52 #11877209 03/05/17 Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 2,342 Finger Lakes NY fishdog52 OP Campfire Regular OP fishdog52 Campfire Regular Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 2,342 Finger Lakes NY I often think about the sheer volume of work that Mr. Waters put into a Pet Loads article, the pounds of powder and bullets, the hours at his press and on the range, and then writing an article that was so informative. There was never a question about shortcuts or assumptions. How many mistakes do you find in that body of work? The man set a high standard, a very high standard. Imagine your grave on a windy winter night. You've been dead for 70 years. It's been 50 since a visitor last paused at your tombstone..... Now explain why you're in a pissy mood today.

Re: Ken Waters passing fishdog52 #11877351 03/05/17 Joined: Jan 2009 Posts: 1,222 South Texas Blowtorch53 Campfire Regular Blowtorch53 Campfire Regular Joined: Jan 2009 Posts: 1,222 South Texas May God be with you and you with him Mr. Waters. Your writings continue to bring much pleasure to my life. "That God could and would, if He were sought."

Re: Ken Waters passing fishdog52 #11883008 03/08/17 Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 6,435 Middle of the "Mitten" G Grasshopper Campfire Tracker Grasshopper Campfire Tracker G Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 6,435 Middle of the "Mitten" Like many other members of this august group, I, too sat at Ken's knee (figuratively, of course...) and learned much about handloading and just shooting in general. I have two copies of "Pet Loads"... One in my office within easy reach, and one on my loading bench. I suspect that he is now sitting around with Wayne Schwartz and discussing the relative merits of shooting, ballistics and who knows what. Even tho' I would sometimes get frustrated with some of his opinions, I still admired and respected him. Certainly, a life well lived... Godspeed, old friend! "As you walk thru life, don't be surprised that there are fewer people that you encounter seeking truth than those seeking confirmation of what they already believe!"

Re: Ken Waters passing fishdog52 #12396660 11/14/17 Joined: Feb 2011 Posts: 2 Z zgomer New Member zgomer New Member Z Joined: Feb 2011 Posts: 2 Wow! Almost a hundred years old...what a full life. Ken thanks for writing and doing all the work you did for the common person in shooting and hunting. RIP.