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Will Heimo Korth be forced out? LOL, what a question.
We can keep Larry Root and all his idiotic blabber and user names on here, but we can't get Ralph back..... Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, over....
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He was more concerned about Sue!
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Is it actually viable to drill oil in that climate, pipe it..put it in a tanker and ship it...with $50/barrel oil and all the new pipelines coming on line? Is there something about the oil that it's refinery specific or something?
Looks like $50 oil is gonna be the norm for quite a while.
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But....but.....the caribou.....the polar bears......they'll all die.
Every time this comes up, the libs go crazy. You'd think they were going to cover it up with wells and dump millions of gallons of crude on a daily basis.
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Is it actually viable to drill oil in that climate, pipe it..put it in a tanker and ship it...with $50/barrel oil and all the new pipelines coming on line? Is there something about the oil that it's refinery specific or something?
Looks like $50 oil is gonna be the norm for quite a while. Putting it in a tanker requires getting it to Prudhoe Bay by pipeline and putting it in the Trans-Alaska Pipeline to send to Valdez... that is where the tankers are. The Arctic Ocean is frozen solid for much too long each year for tankers.
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$50 oil would probably make ANWR marginally profitable but it would take 7-10 years to bring it on line so a long term perspective is needed.......I'm sure environmental regulations would be very stringent.
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I have worked my whole life in the oil and gas industry. Mostly offshore in the Gulf. It is foolish to not develop our own oil and gas fields on land that belongs to us. The govt gets a huge fee from it that almost equals what the IRS collects. At one time it was only 2 or 3 % less.
Set some standards like we have in the gulf and enforce them. Let people bid on leases and let them go in there and make themselves and our country some money. Plus it adds jobs and energy security. I's so cold there most of the year if you spilled oil you could scoop it up with a loader or back hoe. They can do it without making a mess if it is properly regulated. Standards in Alaska are generally more stringent than the gulf. I'm all for responsible development. The states hurting financially and if a major field isn't brought on line in the next ~10 years the Trans Alaska pipeline is going to have some serious issues flowing at reduced rates. The thing to remember is ANWR is federal land, so the state won't be getting the same royalty checks they do for developments on state land. That said, the jobs and support industry will be a huge boon for the state. Open it up to lease sale and see if whoever wins the lease's can develop it economically.
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I don't profess to know much about the oil industry but it just seems like with bakken and now Canada the logistics of North Alaskan oil don't much add up.
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anytime you put structure where there was none, you improve a fishery and the fishing. Every now and then a disaster is going to happen. Hurricane. Oil Spill etc...
I've often wondered how much "oil" goes into the ocean on a daily basis from runoff alone. Give that a percentage based on gallons of water. Compare frequency and percentage to an oil spill. Granted they are nasty when they happen and for a few years after.
But like I've said before, spill the oil in the pasture here at home and its like you dropped fertilizer there....
Just like an oil well that overflowed the waste water. It did kill a couple of our trees over 30 yeras of time. But the pasture is there the grass is as good as ever, and we got a benefit from the well a bit... Oil naturally seeps up from the floor of the gulf of mexico.
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I live in Alaska because of the vast wilderness. To me, being able to walk or paddle, hunt or fish for days or weeks and not see another human being is worth more than a few years of oil. I think the mountain men would feel the same.
I don't buy the argument that only 2000 acres would be affected. There'd be pipelines and far more helicopters and airplanes.
I don't want to be camping on an ANWR night and see lights from an oil field. Check out the satellite photos of the lights of Prudhoe at night.
If I wanted to see wilderness developed for maximum profit I'd live in the Lower 48. That used to be wilderness too.
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I think the mountain men would feel the same. Even they had to make a living. They bought traps, guns and horses. Went into town for women and whiskey. They even liked to share stories of their adventures with others. Of course they didn't have a computer to write blogs, but I think it was those stories that spurred western expansion. 
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The mountain men were utilizing natural resources to make a profit.
So everyone on Alaska should incur an income tax and the elimination of the PFD so a handful of people can enjoy ANWR. Makes perfect sense...
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I bet the mountain men who lived to be old men were sad when the whiskey money and the wilderness of their youth was long gone.
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I bet the mountain men who lived to be old men were sad when the whiskey money and the wilderness of their youth was long gone.
Glad to see you use no petroleum to move about and exist... otherwise I would see you as a two-faced pos...
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I bet the mountain men who lived to be old men were sad when the whiskey money and the wilderness of their youth was long gone.
I see both sides here actually. But in reality the world will have to keep moving forward. And exploration is mostly temporary. Rather than fund muzzies, I'd deal with the lights personally. Obviously I'd prefer not to, but then I understand reality.
We can keep Larry Root and all his idiotic blabber and user names on here, but we can't get Ralph back..... Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, over....
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I do use petroleum and I support drilling, but not everywhere, all the time.
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With every change of administration, the ANWR debate comes up again. The dumb part of this debate is the fact that the debaters don't know if there is any oil in ANWR. The Feds did the seismic survey decades ago but they never drilled an exploratory well.....maybe it's dry!
BP and Chevron drilled KIC #1 off target and on native lands but that data wasn't shared with the Feds even after a court battle.
When flying over that area in a heli accompanied by geologists, I noticed they tended to wet themselves when they see the Marsh Creek anticline but that hardly constitutes a viable discovery nor fills the pipeline.
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Certainly a nice discovery and a badly needed addition addition to North Slope production but hardly a Prudhoe Bay size.
We'll take it!
We have several Democrats in our Legislature that ran as Republicans and they will be looking for a way to tax it prior to production.
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We have several Democrats in our Legislature that ran as Republicans and they will be looking for a way to tax it prior to production. Either that or change the tax structure so that it never goes into production.
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