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#11898402 - 03/14/17 South Africa
TBREW401 Offline
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If you want to go to S. Africa, go soon.
The Govt wants to take away the white owned ranches.

I went to Kei River Safaris to hunt with Andrew Renton, in 2010.
He was excellent! I would go again without hesitation.

While there, he pointed out several white ranches that had been taken away and given to black owners--- they were run down, abandoned, with no game nor farm animals.



Edited by TBREW401 (03/14/17)

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#11898979 - 03/14/17 Re: South Africa [Re: TBREW401]
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Did he take you to the tribal area? That was done decades ago.

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#11899004 - 03/14/17 Re: South Africa [Re: TBREW401]
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There are looming issues that are so serious right now that I'm absolutely heartbroken over what has happened to family and friends in RSA.

Land values are falling through the floor because nobody with money would dare invest in a property. The violence is being ignored by the government and the stress among the smaller farm operations is devastating.

Medium to large ranch operations are still safe and have enough presence to present a very difficult target. The smaller 1000-5000 acre mom and pop operations are falling by the dozens a month, actually a week in some places.

If you don't hunt RSA in the next 3-5 years I feel that the country will be difficult or worse to visit and hunt in. It's headed down the path of Zimbabwe with Mugabe in a hurry now. The difference being that the government in RSA is far more wealthy and can hold off longer without being bailed out by the EU as Zim was.

I don't know what the future holds for RSA, but it's falling faster than anyone could believe and it's not going to be pretty over the next decade. My family and friends send me news paper and links to news reports that seem almost fictional in the level of violence and mayhem taking place.
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#11900361 - 03/15/17 Re: South Africa [Re: JJHACK]
hatari Offline
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Originally Posted By JJHACK
There are looming issues that are so serious right now that I'm absolutely heartbroken over what has happened to family and friends in RSA.

Land values are falling through the floor because nobody with money would dare invest in a property. The violence is being ignored by the government and the stress among the smaller farm operations is devastating.

Medium to large ranch operations are still safe and have enough presence to present a very difficult target. The smaller 1000-5000 acre mom and pop operations are falling by the dozens a month, actually a week in some places.

If you don't hunt RSA in the next 3-5 years I feel that the country will be difficult or worse to visit and hunt in. It's headed down the path of Zimbabwe with Mugabe in a hurry now. The difference being that the government in RSA is far more wealthy and can hold off longer without being bailed out by the EU as Zim was.

I don't know what the future holds for RSA, but it's falling faster than anyone could believe and it's not going to be pretty over the next decade. My family and friends send me news paper and links to news reports that seem almost fictional in the level of violence and mayhem taking place.



This whole scenario kills me. It was once a great place ruled by law and order.
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#11906116 - 03/17/17 Re: South Africa [Re: TBREW401]
dale06 Offline
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Been there once on business and twice on safari.
Sure is sad to hear this.
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#11906125 - 03/17/17 Re: South Africa [Re: JJHACK]
ingwe Offline
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Tis a real pity....RSA has the land, resources and people to literally be a Super Power...but when " Majority" rule takes over...they start circling the drain.

You knew it was coming.....




For any of those people Ive met that wanted to go on more than one safari, or get to know 'Africa' better, I always warn them..When you experience and learn just enough..Africa will break your heart.

Say what they will, ultimately the situation is hopeless over there...
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#11906528 - 03/17/17 Re: South Africa [Re: TBREW401]
Zengela Offline
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Registered: 03/16/17
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Yes, it is a shame. And yes, hunt as soon as possible. I was fortunate enough to have hunted in Zimbabwe back when the land grab started. Best safari,best time of my life. That property was seized and decimated. It truly was a slice of paradise now gone forever. I heard the family moved to New Zealand with their shirts on their backs and nothing more. With RSA crumbling, Namibia will see an upswing in business hence higher prices,more people and sweet cull hunts a thing of the past. I kicked the crap outs a thug in Cape Town who pulled a straight razor on me once. And yes the Jo'burg airport just plain sucks.
Think of this one. Someday, maybe in 10 or 20 years when its all for naught, and there is no elephant,buffalo, hippo or lion on license, all of those beautiful double Nitro's and magnum bolt guns that will be dumped onto an empty market or die away in some safes. As well as finally African ammo is now available at the best its ever been.
I will always at least keep my .375 to shoot rocks or jugs.

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#11906839 - 03/18/17 Re: South Africa [Re: TBREW401]
gunner500 Offline
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Loc: Oklahoma
Very sad to hear, the .gov animals will indeed be their very own downfall.
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#11907139 - 03/18/17 Re: South Africa [Re: TBREW401]
wesheltonj Offline
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The talk is just death bellow of the ANC as they try to maintain relevance. Just look at the Western Cape and what the DA has done there. The ANC is loosing elections to the DA, lots. Is the DA sliced bread, no but it's the next best thing. All is not lost, law and order will return, just not to levels of the western world.


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#11910396 - 03/19/17 Re: South Africa [Re: wesheltonj]
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Originally Posted By wesheltonj
The talk is just death bellow of the ANC as they try to maintain relevance. Just look at the Western Cape and what the DA has done there. The ANC is loosing elections to the DA, lots. Is the DA sliced bread, no but it's the next best thing. All is not lost, law and order will return, just not to levels of the western world.


I hope and pray you are correct, but I have my doubts. I believe SA in on the same course as Zim, and the whites are slated for extermination. Too much hate and agitation amongst the blacks in power, and the violence has the tacit approval of Zuma and his minions. Even though the ANC is losing influence, the EFF is gaining in popularity. The EFF is essentially the ANC with another name, and has equal malice towards the whites. The DA, IMO, has very little chance of becoming a real political force in SA.
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#11912922 - 03/20/17 Re: South Africa [Re: TBREW401]
TBREW401 Offline
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AB,
No, just to local places.
My fear is that the practice will spread to many other areas, and farms.
These folks have been there for many years.
I fear for their future.

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#11914103 - 03/21/17 Re: South Africa [Re: TBREW401]
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Registered: 02/19/04
Posts: 12876
Loc: Iowa

IIRC, Namibia is also in the process of turning land over to native peoples. The family ranch I hunted on was at the tail end of the white owner's career and though he wanted to sell and move he couldn't just to anyone he wanted to. This man's father earlier was key in the movement to bring back the cheetah to healthy numbers in Namibia.

Again, this is from memory but before he could sell "on his own" five prospective black buyers needed to be given the opportunity. So while there was no confiscation or outright loss, and the process was more orderly and controlled, it meant a slow but inevitable land transfer from whites to blacks.

Anti colonialism fervor is high from the U.N. to third world countries. It's too bad it doesn't equate to wise, responsible, and orderly management.
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#11914128 - 03/21/17 Re: South Africa [Re: TBREW401]
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I have gone to the RSA twice for vacation and safari and I have no desire to go back. I have heard too many first hand reports and did not feel comfortable.

I also went to Namibia and felt that it was much better.

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#11914147 - 03/21/17 Re: South Africa [Re: TBREW401]
Mikewriter Offline
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Used to fish once a year with some guys from South Africa who came all the way to Port Eads, Louisiana, to spend a week on the blue water with us. Fine folks, hope they are doing OK.


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