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It looks like a lot of "experts" were wrong on the other thread.
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I'm glad that the USDA admitted what happened. I might be cynical, but it would have been my expectation that they'd never admit the mistake.
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Keep that crap off my land.
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It looks like a lot of "experts" were wrong on the other thread. Still drinking the liberal KoolAid from that newspaper rag? From the article: Curtis said the BLM prohibits M-44s from being placed on its lands and that the agency had no idea that the USDA had put one of the devices on the BLM property off West Buckskin Road.
The USDA would not confirm Wednesday that the bomb had been placed on BLM land. However, the USDA did confirm that the device was placed by one of its employees. Show me where BLM prohibits M44's. I'd love to have a dollar for every device I've placed on BLM. Pure, liberal hogwash. Y'all get a good dose of it now....
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Keep that crap off my land. According to the USDA, M-44s are spring-activated devices that release poisonous cyanide powder when activated...
looks like loud noise would have been more effective. P.
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I'm glad that the USDA admitted what happened. I might be cynical, but it would have been my expectation that they'd never admit the mistake. Actually, any incident of collateral damage has written reports that detail the incident, the location and the cause of it. The report should be available from the regional USDA APHIS office that operates in that area. Funny how they don't cite any USDA APHIS sources. Or provide any verification that is easily obtainable from the USDA. The USDA and BLM are both agencies within the Interior Dept.
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How much does one of these cyanide "bombs" cost?
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How much does one of these cyanide "bombs" cost? Not any sort of "bomb"... But, if I remember the shipping invoice right, they were about $20 or so.
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It looks like a lot of "experts" were wrong on the other thread. No longer than I've been here, I've drawn a few conclusions....there are a lot of "experts" here, and they are often wrong. Not that they will ever admit it, of course.
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I'm glad that the USDA admitted what happened. I might be cynical, but it would have been my expectation that they'd never admit the mistake. It wasnt a mistake. They did it on purpose.
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How much does one of these cyanide "bombs" cost? Not any sort of "bomb"... But, if I remember the shipping invoice right, they were about $20 or so. Pretty expensive way to kill a coyote. I'd bet a $20 bounty would work a lot better.
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How much does one of these cyanide "bombs" cost? Not any sort of "bomb"... But, if I remember the shipping invoice right, they were about $20 or so. Pretty expensive way to kill a coyote. I'd bet a $20 bounty would work a lot better. Actually, it is a pretty cheap way to kill coyotes. The device is reusable. Only the cost of the cyanide capsule replacement. A good double spring trap costs that much. Bounties don't work. They only educate the already smart coyotes more than they already are, and give Master's degrees to the uneducated ones. Usually, the type coyote killed by an M44 do not respond to any type of call, and are probably trap-wise as well. They can become wise to M-44's as well, if enough human scent is in the device area.
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IF no signs were posted - the applicator is in a world of "stink".
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I've never heard of such a thing and I've hunted the west my whole life. While they may work for coyotes, I bet if I was to do the same thing and a kid ended up hurt, I'd be sued into oblivion.
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"They" will be - count on it!
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They were pretty controversial 20-30 years ago. I remember that opponents claimed lots of incidental victims, raptors and such.
I thought they'd banned them, but I guess not. Makes no sense that there weren't signs around the bait.
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The capsules themselves are only a couple dollars. The spring loaded guns may be around $20, and can be reused for years. They are an excellent way of removing trap shy, call shy coyotes that are killing livestock. But they are not a tool to be used just any where. Around urban areas,other methods need to be used. They cannot be set on private land without a signed landowner agreement, and agreements have to be signed with blm and forest service offices if used on federal grazing land as well. Some fed land is off limits to their use as well.
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IF no signs were posted - the applicator is in a world of "stink". I'm betting the set was made according to procedure. I'm sure not falling for anything that newspaper reports. They lost me with the first article when they said the "explosion from the M44 knocked the boy backwards and killed the dog, and covered them both with cyanide powder..." Not only have M44's been a target of bunny huggers for years... and the liberal media, but trapping, and even shooting coyotes have been targets. They would like nothing better than to see and end to ALL hunting.
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I'm glad that the USDA admitted what happened. I might be cynical, but it would have been my expectation that they'd never admit the mistake. Actually, any incident of collateral damage has written reports that detail the incident, the location and the cause of it. The report should be available from the regional USDA APHIS office that operates in that area. Funny how they don't cite any USDA APHIS sources. Or provide any verification that is easily obtainable from the USDA. The USDA and BLM are both agencies within the Interior Dept. I believe the US Department of Agriculture is an independent cabinet level agency.
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The capsules themselves are only a couple dollars. The spring loaded guns may be around $20, and can be reused for years. They are an excellent way of removing trap shy, call shy coyotes that are killing livestock. But they are not a tool to be used just any where. Around urban areas,other methods need to be used. They cannot be set on private land without a signed landowner agreement, and agreements have to be signed with blm and forest service offices if used on federal grazing land as well. Some fed land is off limits to their use as well. You must be in the business. You actually know what your talking about. In all the areas I worked, USDA had an MOU with USFS and BLM where agriculture was conducted. We had written contracts with each landowner as well, and used only the methods where we had written permission from the rancher.
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I'm glad that the USDA admitted what happened. I might be cynical, but it would have been my expectation that they'd never admit the mistake. Actually, any incident of collateral damage has written reports that detail the incident, the location and the cause of it. The report should be available from the regional USDA APHIS office that operates in that area. Funny how they don't cite any USDA APHIS sources. Or provide any verification that is easily obtainable from the USDA. The USDA and BLM are both agencies within the Interior Dept. I believe the US Department of Agriculture is an independent cabinet level agency. yes, you're right on that. USDA works within the Interior Dept. in some land issues, mostly on agriculture areas with an MOU.
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We are in TOTAL agreement, Barry. When I saw the "no signs" part, I immediately thought BS. However, if true - someone's gonna PAY! And I'm not real sure about a 14 year old not being able to read - curiosity, and a lack of comprehension, I would think. That said, I'd NEVER set one that close to a populated area. I set my signs religiously, too. I DON'T want to hurt anyone!
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The capsules themselves are only a couple dollars. The spring loaded guns may be around $20, and can be reused for years. They are an excellent way of removing trap shy, call shy coyotes that are killing livestock. But they are not a tool to be used just any where. Around urban areas,other methods need to be used. They cannot be set on private land without a signed landowner agreement, and agreements have to be signed with blm and forest service offices if used on federal grazing land as well. Some fed land is off limits to their use as well. You must be in the business. You actually know what your talking about. In all the areas I worked, USDA had an MOU with USFS and BLM where agriculture was conducted. We had written contracts with each landowner as well, and used only the methods where we had written permission from the rancher. You are correct.
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Wondering if there was any tampering with signs or location of trap by greenies. Media stories are definitely half lies so far.
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Wondering if there was any tampering with signs or location of trap by greenies. Media stories are definitely half lies so far. If the signs were missing, I would feel safe in saying they were taken from the area before the sheriff and press was called. Not that THAT liberal rag wouldn't lie about it, if it furthered their agenda.
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Animal damage control folks are people too. Some are lazy, feel safe in their endeavors, and do not always follow procedure. Yes, someone (agency) will pay.
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Animal damage control folks are people too. Some are lazy, feel safe in their endeavors, and do not always follow procedure. Yes, someone (agency) will pay. They can and do make mistakes. But the department takes the use of M44's VERY seriously. I could see a mistake as a cause before negligence or disregard of the rules and policies in place. One thing of interest is that overall, use of M44's in some USDA districts have increased because getting qualified personnel that know enough to be effective trapping or snaring coyotes is becoming increasingly hard to do. Many times a pretty inexperienced guy is taught to use M44's because they are ineffective at trapping. I knew one dumbazz trapper that went nearly a year without catching a coyote in a trap set. He sure knew how to set those M44's though.
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Wondering if there was any tampering with signs or location of trap by greenies. Media stories are definitely half lies so far. If the signs were missing, I would feel safe in saying they were taken from the area before the sheriff and press was called. Not that THAT liberal rag wouldn't lie about it, if it furthered their agenda. Not familiar with the M-44's. However, these ^^^^^ lines of reasoning would be plausible from several perspectives...
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IF no signs were posted - the applicator is in a world of "stink". I'm betting the set was made according to procedure. I'm sure not falling for anything that newspaper reports. They lost me with the first article when they said the "explosion from the M44 knocked the boy backwards and killed the dog, and covered them both with cyanide powder..." Not only have M44's been a target of bunny huggers for years... and the liberal media, but trapping, and even shooting coyotes have been targets. They would like nothing better than to see and end to ALL hunting. Yep, and never mind that just being coated wtih the powder would do nothing, IIRC, it has to mix with liquid to form the deadly gas.. Exploding... thats the first clue that the article writer hasn't a damn clue.
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Animal damage control folks are people too. Some are lazy, feel safe in their endeavors, and do not always follow procedure. Yes, someone (agency) will pay. They can and do make mistakes. But the department takes the use of M44's VERY seriously. I could see a mistake as a cause before negligence or disregard of the rules and policies in place. One thing of interest is that overall, use of M44's in some USDA districts have increased because getting qualified personnel that know enough to be effective trapping or snaring coyotes is becoming increasingly hard to do. Many times a pretty inexperienced guy is taught to use M44's because they are ineffective at trapping. I knew one dumbazz trapper that went nearly a year without catching a coyote in a trap set. He sure knew how to set those M44's though. Good lord... I'm a trapping dummy and can still catch coyotes in #3 offsets....
We can keep Larry Root and all his idiotic blabber and user names on here, but we can't get Ralph back..... Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, over....
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