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Well ... not to throw fuel on the fire ... but ... I've been successfully hunting both mule deer and whitetails in Eastern Colorado and Western Kansas for 30 years. I do not find it surprising that a particular buck could move 13 miles in a short time. Particularly if it was pressured (read chased by an atv or vehicle). Numerous times I have scouted a particular buck for weeks ... right up until opening day and then found him miles away in another location (often unavailable to me) 24 hours later. Open country deer move readily. Mountain and canyon deer I know nothing about.
It's easy to feel proprietary about a deer you have a lot of time invested in ... especially when you have a client or friend who had hoped to harvest it. Reading between the lines I think there is speculation that this particular buck was "maneuvered" into another location. This could indeed be the case ... although it may not have been the hunter who killed it that did the "maneuvering." Hopefully he was just in the right place at the right time. There are a lot of "road hunters' on the plains. I've watched them chase deer and antelope for years. I've also seen them get ticketed ... sometimes months later ... because they were sure no one was watching. I've also witnessed them push deer and antelope right to other hunters (including myself and members of my hunting party) who the roadies had no idea were present.
This could be a case of "wait and see who knows what."
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Well ... not to throw fuel on the fire ... but ... I've been successfully hunting both mule deer and whitetails in Eastern Colorado and Western Kansas for 30 years. I do not find it surprising that a particular buck could move 13 miles in a short time. Particularly if it was pressured (read chased by an atv or vehicle). Numerous times I have scouted a particular buck for weeks ... right up until opening day and then found him miles away in another location (often unavailable to me) 24 hours later. Open country deer move readily. Mountain and canyon deer I know nothing about.
It's easy to feel proprietary about a deer you have a lot of time invested in ... especially when you have a client or friend who had hoped to harvest it. Reading between the lines I think there is speculation that this particular buck was "maneuvered" into another location. This could indeed be the case ... although it may not have been the hunter who killed it that did the "maneuvering." Hopefully he was just in the right place at the right time. There are a lot of "road hunters' on the plains. I've watched them chase deer and antelope for years. I've also seen them get ticketed ... sometimes months later ... because they were sure no one was watching. I've also witnessed them push deer and antelope right to other hunters (including myself and members of my hunting party) who the roadies had no idea were present.
This could be a case of "wait and see who knows what." Having hunted and guided in eastern CO for close to 25 years myself i would say that you are not wrong at all. I've seen deer move 2-4 miles sometimes more overnight, especially if pressured. Down where we are in NM it's not exactly "open country" although there is a little right on the fringe of where we are and there is no agricultural influence like there is in eastern CO so they don't have to travel a section or two just to find tumbleweeds piled in a fencerow or a CRP field for cover. There are a ton of cuts, draws and deep canyons and geographically speaking the odds are astronomical that this deer left an area with no active season, zero pressure, tons of does, water, food and cover and went to another state that had an active season and a lot of pressure All I'm saying is that I don't think the deer was killed where they said it was killed but I could be wrong. If the deer left and traveled that far and bedded in that exact spot on that little ranch they need to be buying lottery tickets because that is unfreakingbelievable. I'm not saying it was poached and I'm certainly not upset that somebody else killed it as that's not how I am. Sometimes it's just hard to swallow some of the stories if you know what I mean. Knowing where the deer lived and what he would have travel through to get to the other spot makes me curious is all.
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Though I don't know Drummond personally, I know men like him, dedicated guides with a passion for and deep knowledge of the game they chase, knowing traits as I know my kids. I suspect there's more to this story that is not for public consumption. My money is still on Drum.
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I agree with you ctsmith, and I do know Drum personally. If there's a more knowledgeably mule deer guy than him, I've yet to run across him, and I've been chasing those freaking things since I was 11 yrs old, for over 35 years. When I'm baffled (still quite often when mule deer hunting) Drum is the first resource I use.
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Drum:
"I'm not saying it was poached and I'm certainly not upset that somebody else killed it as that's not how I am. Sometimes it's just hard to swallow some of the stories if you know what I mean. Knowing where the deer lived and what he would have travel through to get to the other spot makes me curious is all."
Yup. I hear you. You know your country and your gut feeling is probably right. I just never discount the "dumb luck" factor completely.
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Why not a twin brother?
Unless you have some genetic fingerprinting, you are guessing. Might be right. Might not be. The genes won't lie.
13 miles is nothing, but this does not have to be one deer.
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Why not a twin brother?
Unless you have some genetic fingerprinting, you are guessing. Might be right. Might not be. The genes won't lie.
13 miles is nothing, but this does not have to be one deer. May God forbid there be two of you.
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Only way that deer leaves unpressured home range country with no human activity or scent with plenty of cover, feed, water and sex for a small ranch heavily hunted and with lots of game cameras and no pics of it and with the scent and sounds of human/vehicle activity is if it was transported there by aliens, got a brain worm or was transported there dead.
Good show Ok. You have a real trophy there, now, by hook or crook.
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Amazing what Mule deer will do if a Cougar starts working an area. 13 miles is nothing.
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Amazing what Mule deer will do if a Cougar starts working an area. 13 miles is nothing. Yep !
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Amazing what Mule deer will do if a Cougar starts working an area. 13 miles is nothing. Yep ! They just blow clean out of the area do they?
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In West Texas the does are more homebodies but have a range almost 3 times that of the whitetails. The bucks fifty miles would not be unusual although 10-15 is more typical.
For lack of food or water they will trapse off across the desert to another mountain range on a fairly regular basis.
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....It's not a crime to say you killed a deer in a different location from where you actually killed him..... Very true...telling the truth to others hunters about where I killed a big deer cost me a place to hunt as big money leased up the spot. Hunted on more than one place that the owner specifically asked me to say I killed the deer somewhere else as he did not want hunters coming to ask him if they could hunt. Really nice deer, be great to get one like that.
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Amazing what Mule deer will do if a Cougar starts working an area. 13 miles is nothing. That is true. Darn, forgot about that, but most ive seen move 2-4 miles.
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....It's not a crime to say you killed a deer in a different location from where you actually killed him..... Very true...telling the truth to others hunters about where I killed a big deer cost me a place to hunt as big money leased up the spot. Hunted on more than one place that the owner specifically asked me to say I killed the deer somewhere else as he did not want hunters coming to ask him if they could hunt. Really nice deer, be great to get one like that. Yep, but poaching one in a state out of season and crossing a state line is a Lacey Act violation and has resulted in prison time.
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