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#11029487 - 03/09/16 Re: Know The Enemy of Liberty: the National Rifle Association [Re: darrenlobo]
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The other night I watched a re-broadcast of the Clinton/ Sanders debate. They finally got around to mentioning guns.

When Hillary started talking about the NRA she morphed into a rabid beast.I thought she was going to burst a vessel!! Nearly foaming at the mouth, the sheer hatred in her eyes,and tone of her voice was amazing!! I got the impression that she doesn't like the NRA much. sick

With that said, the NRA MUST be doing something right cool

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#11247679 - 06/14/16 Re: Know The Enemy of Liberty: the National Rifle Association [Re: darrenlobo]
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"I thought she was going to burst a vessel". We can only hope , Kenneth

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#11248096 - 06/14/16 Re: Know The Enemy of Liberty: the National Rifle Association [Re: darrenlobo]
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It’s Time to Eliminate The Gun
Control Laws: Yes, All Of Them

http://jpfo.org/articles-2016/eliminate-gun-laws.htm

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#11248783 - 06/15/16 Re: Know The Enemy of Liberty: the National Rifle Association [Re: darrenlobo]
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Here is the most serious aspect. When the writers of the Amendments to the constitution where crafting them. They sought out the strongest legal terms to protect the Key protections from legal erosion over time. This term "Shall not Infringe" The strongest legal term ever written. Contemplate how effective the strongest legal term ever written has restrained some who hate Americas freedoms. Our so called leaders from the local city council to the Supreme courts and legislators in Washington All scheme to erode the power given to the citizen by the term "Shall not Infringe"
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#11249242 - 06/15/16 Re: Know The Enemy of Liberty: the National Rifle Association [Re: baltz526]
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6--good post.
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#11249311 - 06/15/16 Re: Know The Enemy of Liberty: the National Rifle Association [Re: 5thShock]
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Originally Posted By 5thShock
Four out of one hundred. That's a strong and troubling argument Mr. Wolf. Since groups are power, is there any organization around that you would endorse? Something with a track record in legislative and electoral matters.


GOA! Gun Owners of America.


Edited by websterparish47 (06/15/16)

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#11373633 - 08/15/16 Re: Know The Enemy of Liberty: the National Rifle Association [Re: darrenlobo]
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Originally Posted By darrenlobo
It’s Time to Eliminate The Gun
Control Laws: Yes, All Of Them


Yep, and thank God the NRA knows which ones are doable and concentrates it's efforts on those. Your "all or nothing" approach will get you the latter of the two.

Don
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#11420207 - 09/06/16 Re: Know The Enemy of Liberty: the National Rifle Association [Re: darrenlobo]
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Originally Posted By darrenlobo
Those who see gun rights as separate from other rights or see gun rights as central with other rights as peripheral don't understand.


We understand fully. Looks like you haven't come to the realization that without the 2nd Amendment, all the others will disappear.
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#11442505 - 09/17/16 Re: Know The Enemy of Liberty: the National Rifle Association [Re: saddlesore]
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Idiotic fruitcakes trying to rationalize not joining or sending dues.

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#11554371 - 11/04/16 Re: Know The Enemy of Liberty: the National Rifle Association [Re: cisco1]
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Originally Posted By cisco1

Idiotic fruitcakes trying to rationalize not joining or sending dues.

Im agree!
Every gun owner should be an NRA member!


Edited by mtech (11/04/16)

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#11555115 - 11/04/16 Re: Know The Enemy of Liberty: the National Rifle Association [Re: saddlesore]
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Originally Posted By saddlesore
[quote=darrenlobo] Those who see gun rights as separate from other rights or see gun rights as central with other rights as peripheral don't understand.


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We understand fully. Looks like you haven't come to the realization that without the 2nd Amendment, all the others will disappear.


We lost the 2A when we lost the militia & the govt armed itself to the teeth. All other rights are falling away fast. Anyway, my point is that gun rights are part of property rights. It's only as we defend the right to property that we defend gun rights. Consider the point I make here: Youtube

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#11555122 - 11/04/16 Re: Know The Enemy of Liberty: the National Rifle Association [Re: mtech]
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Originally Posted By mtech
Originally Posted By cisco1

Idiotic fruitcakes trying to rationalize not joining or sending dues.

Im agree!
Every gun owner should be an NRA member!


Why? The NRA is in favor of gun control. They say "enforce the laws on the books". They don't say abolish the ATF, repeal the NFA, repeal the Gun Control Act of '68, nor do they want to repeal Brady. We could be rid of gun control if the NRA would stop supporting it.

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#11561494 - 11/07/16 Re: Know The Enemy of Liberty: the National Rifle Association [Re: darrenlobo]
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Originally Posted By darrenlobo
Originally Posted By mtech
Originally Posted By cisco1

Idiotic fruitcakes trying to rationalize not joining or sending dues.

Im agree!
Every gun owner should be an NRA member!


Why? The NRA is in favor of gun control. They say "enforce the laws on the books". They don't say abolish the ATF, repeal the NFA, repeal the Gun Control Act of '68, nor do they want to repeal Brady. We could be rid of gun control if the NRA would stop supporting it.

Unfortunately, you are politically naïve in thinking that these can easily overturned in this time. And who is the "WE" that you speak of? Most gunowners I know would rather set around amongst themselves and bitch about the subject or 'buy another gun or magazine' rather than get politically active and do something constructive to preserve gun rights. The NRA is the best voice with the most clout in this politically charged point in time and deals in political reality, something you seem to know nothing about. The NRA is the Big Dog in the room and it's not perfect but for all its flaws it's still the best game in town.

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#11561902 - 11/07/16 Re: Know The Enemy of Liberty: the National Rifle Association [Re: 2Seventy]
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Originally Posted By 2Seventy
Originally Posted By darrenlobo
[quote=mtech][quote=cisco1]
Idiotic fruitcakes trying to rationalize not joining or sending dues.

Im agree!
Every gun owner should be an NRA member!


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Why? The NRA is in favor of gun control. They say "enforce the laws on the books". They don't say abolish the ATF, repeal the NFA, repeal the Gun Control Act of '68, nor do they want to repeal Brady. We could be rid of gun control if the NRA would stop supporting it.


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Unfortunately, you are politically naïve in thinking that these can easily overturned in this time. And who is the "WE" that you speak of? Most gunowners I know would rather set around amongst themselves and bitch about the subject or 'buy another gun or magazine' rather than get politically active and do something constructive to preserve gun rights. The NRA is the best voice with the most clout in this politically charged point in time and deals in political reality, something you seem to know nothing about. The NRA is the Big Dog in the room and it's not perfect but for all its flaws it's still the best game in town.


I get your point about political reality what you don't seem to get is that that reality can be changed. The only reason it doesn't change is the NRA supporting the status quo. That means keeping gun control alive. Being able to scare gun owners keeps the money flowing. If we ever were to win the battle against gun control the NRA's money would dry up & they sure don't want that, do they? Bottom line, you're being played.


Edited by darrenlobo (11/07/16)

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#11562099 - 11/07/16 Re: Know The Enemy of Liberty: the National Rifle Association [Re: darrenlobo]
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Originally Posted By darrenlobo
Originally Posted By 2Seventy
Originally Posted By darrenlobo
[quote=mtech][quote=cisco1]
Idiotic fruitcakes trying to rationalize not joining or sending dues.

Im agree!
Every gun owner should be an NRA member!


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Why? The NRA is in favor of gun control. They say "enforce the laws on the books". They don't say abolish the ATF, repeal the NFA, repeal the Gun Control Act of '68, nor do they want to repeal Brady. We could be rid of gun control if the NRA would stop supporting it.


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Unfortunately, you are politically naïve in thinking that these can easily overturned in this time. And who is the "WE" that you speak of? Most gunowners I know would rather set around amongst themselves and bitch about the subject or 'buy another gun or magazine' rather than get politically active and do something constructive to preserve gun rights. The NRA is the best voice with the most clout in this politically charged point in time and deals in political reality, something you seem to know nothing about. The NRA is the Big Dog in the room and it's not perfect but for all its flaws it's still the best game in town.


I get your point about political reality what you don't seem to get is that that reality can be changed. The only reason it doesn't change is the NRA supporting the status quo. That means keeping gun control alive. Being able to scare gun owners keeps the money flowing. If we ever were to win the battle against gun control the NRA's money would dry up & they sure don't want that, do they? Bottom line, you're being played.

The political reality is that new attempts for more gun control will always be there and will always be pushed by the left. In this country it’s part of the Democrat Party platform. It’s where they buy their votes and get their donations. Duping one more non-gun owning liberal into thinking that one more gun law, over and above the 20,000+ laws we now have, will be the answer to the problem, with no empirical facts to support it. Name one country in the last century that has turned back the clock on restricting small arms ownership to its citizens? There are none. Gun control marches forward.
We have the 2nd Amendment in this country but in this election if Hillary is elected she will change the face of the Supreme Court and put in justices that will NOT believe or rule in favor of your individual right to own a firearm. She has stated as much and it will be her legacy if elected and allowed to do so.
This fight will NEVER end and laws passed now and rights lost now will almost never be recovered.
I think the left loves these petty arguments. It makes their job easier: “Divide and Conquer”.
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#11562196 - 11/07/16 Re: Know The Enemy of Liberty: the National Rifle Association [Re: 2Seventy]
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Originally Posted By 2Seventy
Originally Posted By darrenlobo
Originally Posted By 2Seventy
Originally Posted By darrenlobo
[quote=mtech][quote=cisco1]
Idiotic fruitcakes trying to rationalize not joining or sending dues.

Im agree!
Every gun owner should be an NRA member!


Quote:
Why? The NRA is in favor of gun control. They say "enforce the laws on the books". They don't say abolish the ATF, repeal the NFA, repeal the Gun Control Act of '68, nor do they want to repeal Brady. We could be rid of gun control if the NRA would stop supporting it.


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Unfortunately, you are politically naïve in thinking that these can easily overturned in this time. And who is the "WE" that you speak of? Most gunowners I know would rather set around amongst themselves and bitch about the subject or 'buy another gun or magazine' rather than get politically active and do something constructive to preserve gun rights. The NRA is the best voice with the most clout in this politically charged point in time and deals in political reality, something you seem to know nothing about. The NRA is the Big Dog in the room and it's not perfect but for all its flaws it's still the best game in town.


I get your point about political reality what you don't seem to get is that that reality can be changed. The only reason it doesn't change is the NRA supporting the status quo. That means keeping gun control alive. Being able to scare gun owners keeps the money flowing. If we ever were to win the battle against gun control the NRA's money would dry up & they sure don't want that, do they? Bottom line, you're being played.

The political reality is that new attempts for more gun control will always be there and will always be pushed by the left. In this country it’s part of the Democrat Party platform. It’s where they buy their votes and get their donations. Duping one more non-gun owning liberal into thinking that one more gun law, over and above the 20,000+ laws we now have, will be the answer to the problem, with no empirical facts to support it. Name one country in the last century that has turned back the clock on restricting small arms ownership to its citizens? There are none. Gun control marches forward.
We have the 2nd Amendment in this country but in this election if Hillary is elected she will change the face of the Supreme Court and put in justices that will NOT believe or rule in favor of your individual right to own a firearm. She has stated as much and it will be her legacy if elected and allowed to do so.
This fight will NEVER end and laws passed now and rights lost now will almost never be recovered.
I think the left loves these petty arguments. It makes their job easier: “Divide and Conquer”.


No way, what makes gun rights haters job easier is the fact that their "enemy" (the NRA) is not opposed to gun control. It's a phony dance they do to get money out of suckers. Neither side wants to win, they just want to keep on dancing on the gravy train of donations.

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#11562288 - 11/07/16 Re: Know The Enemy of Liberty: the National Rifle Association [Re: darrenlobo]
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I'm a member of the NRA. I'm a member of GOA, I'm a member of the NSSF. I'm a member of Texas Shooters Association. I'm a member of Whittening Center. I'm a member of San Juan Wildlife Federation. Not to mention Rocky Mountain Elk Assn, or several other firearm and hunting based organizations. I am doing my best to help.

And here we are with a bunch of whiney tightwads that won't help out by joining anything because they may get a piece of junk mail or a wine ad, or because they don't agree with you 100 percent.
In the highest traditions of Dflave.....Please go ...well you know.
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#11574378 - 11/10/16 Re: Know The Enemy of Liberty: the National Rifle Association [Re: Allen917]
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Originally Posted By Allen917
I'm a member of the NRA. I'm a member of GOA, I'm a member of the NSSF. I'm a member of Texas Shooters Association. I'm a member of Whittening Center. I'm a member of San Juan Wildlife Federation. Not to mention Rocky Mountain Elk Assn, or several other firearm and hunting based organizations. I am doing my best to help.

And here we are with a bunch of whiney tightwads that won't help out by joining anything because they may get a piece of junk mail or a wine ad, or because they don't agree with you 100 percent.
In the highest traditions of Dflave.....Please go ...well you know.



Dismiss what you can't refute, got it. Come back when you have something intelligent to say.

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#11929590 - 03/27/17 Re: Know The Enemy of Liberty: the National Rifle Association [Re: darrenlobo]
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darrenlobo "Being able to scare gun owners keeps the money flowing..." I think you have the situation figured out. By the way, I am a life member. I will keep my membership, but not send a penny until some leadership is ousted. Not likely to happen though.

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