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#11985433 - 04/20/17 For hunting out to 600 meters 300 Win Mag or .338 Laupa
huntersdog Offline
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For you magnum hunters would you go with the 300 win mag or .338 Laupa?

What round is easier to load the 300 or the 338?

Thank you!

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#11986234 - 04/20/17 Re: For hunting out to 600 meters 300 Win Mag or .338 Laupa [Re: huntersdog]
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The Lapua! Great bullets, great ballistics, bigger holes! The downside: generally... much heavier rifles or more recoil in reasonably light rifles. memtb
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#11986290 - 04/20/17 Re: For hunting out to 600 meters 300 Win Mag or .338 Laupa [Re: huntersdog]
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Hunting what?

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#11986316 - 04/20/17 Re: For hunting out to 600 meters 300 Win Mag or .338 Laupa [Re: huntersdog]
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6.5 Creedmoor.
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#11986374 - Yesterday at 02:16 AM Re: For hunting out to 600 meters 300 Win Mag or .338 Laupa [Re: David_Walter]
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Originally Posted By David_Walter
6.5 Creedmoor.


Thats what I'm thnking.

FWIW the military chose 300 WM over 338 Lapua as their long range sniper round.
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#11986463 - Yesterday at 03:54 AM Re: For hunting out to 600 meters 300 Win Mag or .338 Laupa [Re: huntersdog]
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What is a meter?

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#11986548 - Yesterday at 04:37 AM Re: For hunting out to 600 meters 300 Win Mag or .338 Laupa [Re: huntersdog]
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300 Win mag, Best bang for buck out there.


Edited by hanco (Yesterday at 04:38 AM)

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#11986711 - Yesterday at 06:10 AM Re: For hunting out to 600 meters 300 Win Mag or .338 Laupa [Re: huntersdog]
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What hanco said !

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#11986950 - Yesterday at 08:08 AM Re: For hunting out to 600 meters 300 Win Mag or .338 Laupa [Re: hanco]
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Originally Posted By hanco
300 Win mag, Best bang for buck out there.


Bingo... easier carrying rifles, tons of load options and great bullets. Love the 338's but I would wanna carry a 338 Lapua around the elk mountains that was comfortable to shoot.

An 8.5-9lb 300 Win Mag is pretty easy and very deadly.
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#11986994 - Yesterday at 08:34 AM Re: For hunting out to 600 meters 300 Win Mag or .338 Laupa [Re: huntersdog]
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600 yards is well within the limits of a good 300WM. No need for a 338 Lapua at that range. The military is actually going to be using a 300 Norma not the 300 WM (also not the 308 Norma) going forward.

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#11987092 - Yesterday at 09:47 AM Re: For hunting out to 600 meters 300 Win Mag or .338 Laupa [Re: huntersdog]
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The .300 RUM is also not a bad bet. With good bullets the wind drift at range isn't much more than the .338 Lapua
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#11987177 - Yesterday at 10:58 AM Re: For hunting out to 600 meters 300 Win Mag or .338 Laupa [Re: huntersdog]
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Something 6.5 or 7mm wink

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#11987674 - Yesterday at 03:29 PM Re: For hunting out to 600 meters 300 Win Mag or .338 Laupa [Re: huntersdog]
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I would avoid the Lapua unless you can afford to invest in a special length custom action or spend the gunsmith time to modify an existing action to accommodate Lapua length cartridges and magazines. Also, extremely expensive brass.

Either the 300 WM or 338 WM should have no problem at 600 yards- at least mine don't.....

Unless, of course, you just want a 338 Lapua.... then just get it- no explanation necessary.....

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#11987973 - Yesterday at 05:44 PM Re: For hunting out to 600 meters 300 Win Mag or .338 Laupa [Re: Sheister]
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I have had both, my take is:

Good points, 338 Lapua ;
wind drift, retained energy.

Good points 300 Win mag. ;
Trajectory, burns less powder, cheaper components, less recoil, lighter rifle.
Easier to shoot. Plenty of energy at long range. Normal sized action.
Better component availability and selection.


Bad points 300 Mag.;
more wind drift.


Bad points 338 Lapua;
Component cost and availability. Muzzle blast and recoil. Trajectory. Action compatibility, I.E. you need a larger action. Heavier gun. Harder to spot your shots.


I sold my 338 Lapua to a young man, I couldn't talk him out of it! he wanted the horsepower and thought it was "cool"

600yds no question the 300mag wins, the 338 Lapua advantage doesn't show up until you get further out.

You may want to consider a 7 Mag or 280 A.I. if you are only shooting 600yds?
Hell a 6.5 Creed may be a better solution?
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#11988104 - Yesterday at 06:41 PM Re: For hunting out to 600 meters 300 Win Mag or .338 Laupa [Re: PaulBarnard]
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Originally Posted By PaulBarnard
What is a meter?


A measurement of distance first world countries use.

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#11988131 - Yesterday at 06:52 PM Re: For hunting out to 600 meters 300 Win Mag or .338 Laupa [Re: huntersdog]
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#11988246 - Yesterday at 07:51 PM Re: For hunting out to 600 meters 300 Win Mag or .338 Laupa [Re: irfubar]
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Originally Posted By irfubar
I have had both, my take is:

Good points, 338 Lapua ;
wind drift, retained energy.

Good points 300 Win mag. ;
Trajectory, burns less powder, cheaper components, less recoil, lighter rifle.
Easier to shoot. Plenty of energy at long range. Normal sized action.
Better component availability and selection.


Bad points 300 Mag.;
more wind drift.


600yds no question the 300mag wins, the 338 Lapua advantage doesn't show up until you get further out.


Thanks for your 'personal' experience - knowledge - recommendation.


I've always liked the 300 Win Mag, can't really define why. Red/Blue
Vanilla/Chocolate


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#11988985 - Today at 08:16 AM Re: For hunting out to 600 meters 300 Win Mag or .338 Laupa [Re: huntersdog]
Dan700mn Offline
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300 WM due to better bullet selection, availability and cost

I have wanted a 338 lapua for awhile.


Edited by Dan700mn (Today at 01:07 PM)

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#11989518 - Today at 01:04 PM Re: For hunting out to 600 meters 300 Win Mag or .338 Laupa [Re: memtb]
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memtb - "The Lapua! Great bullets, great ballistics, bigger holes......" Sure it's a bit heavy and clunky to haul around in comparison to the .300WM. BUT in case you ran into a rogue elephant, in the wilds of say NJ, which would you rather be armed with??? Just kidding...wouldn't want to PO the infamous "Jersey Devil" Homesteader

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#11989520 - Today at 01:05 PM Re: For hunting out to 600 meters 300 Win Mag or .338 Laupa [Re: huntersdog]
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You should use a 338 with a partition and a Leupold. Is that the answer you wanted?
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#11989534 - Today at 01:10 PM Re: For hunting out to 600 meters 300 Win Mag or .338 Laupa [Re: huntersdog]
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Here's another one to ponder...300 Norma Mag.

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#11989723 - Today at 02:34 PM Re: For hunting out to 600 meters 300 Win Mag or .338 Laupa [Re: huntersdog]
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Or 308 regular
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#11989800 - Today at 03:17 PM Re: For hunting out to 600 meters 300 Win Mag or .338 Laupa [Re: huntersdog]
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OK, the Lapua CAN hit harder at 600 yards and drop and drift CAN be less. But...

Using Nosler AccuBond data and normalizing for 24" barrel on the Lapua (-50fps from the 26" barrel Nosler used), my Point Blank calculator shows the following. All calculations are for 50F, 7500ft and MPBR zero for a 6" diameter target and a 600 yard range. Recoil calculations are for a rifle/ammo/scope @ 8.3 pounds.

.300WM, 24" barrel
180g @ 3160fps = .507 B.C., .271 S.D., -44.1", 2325fps, 2160fpe, 16.7" drift, recoil @ 31.8 ft-lb
200g @ 2972fps = .588 B.C., .301 S.D., -49.9", 2271fps, 2291fpe, 15.4" drift, recoil @ 32.9 ft-lb

.338WM, 22" barrel (Mine, with handload)
225g @ 2742fps = .550 B.C., .281 S.D., -63.8 ", 2033fps, 2064 fpe, 18.7" drift, recoil @ 33.8 ft-lb

.338WM, 24" barrel
225g @ 2882fps = .550 B.C., .281 S.D., -55.7 ", 2151fps, 2311 fpe, 17.5" drift, recoil @ 37.0 ft-lb
250g @ 2780fps = .575 B.C., .313 S.D., -60.6 ", 2094fps, 2433 fpe, 17.5" drift, recoil @ 40.6 ft-lb

.338 Lapua, normalized for 24" barrel at -50fps M.V.
225g @ 3054fps = 550 B.C., .281 S.D., -47.3", 2296fps, 2633fpe, 15.9" drift, recoil @ 50.5 ft-lb
250g @ 2891fps = .575 B.C., .313 S.D., -54.5", 2187fps, 2655fpe, 16.6" drift, recoil @ 48.5 ft-lb

From a practical and personal perspective, the .338 Lapua would mean a heavier and much more expensive rifle, brass that costs $1.40 to $2.00 more per piece, a higher rate of powder consumption and significantly more recoil. Adding a brake to the Lapua would reduce recoil but, apples to apples, a .300 WM with a brake would have far less recoil.

At 600 the .300WM wins the race in drop or drift, depending on which load you look at. The 180g load wins the drop race and loses in drift by less than 1". The 200g load wins the drift race and falls in-between the Lapua loads for drop.

Again at 600, my slowpoke 22" .338WM only gives up 2.1" to 2.8" in drift to the Lapua and adjusting for the extra 9.5" to 16.5" in drop is easily done - so much so that I've shot clay pigeons at 600 with it and regularly use it to bang 10" steel at that distance. All with significantly less cost and recoil.

While my .338WM/225g AB load is a hammer on elk, my .300 WM/180g TTSX load is no slouch. Both are Ruger MKII rifles in skeleton boat-paddle stocks and both are reasonably light weight with easily tolerated recoil, but the .300WM shoots flatter with 600 yard drop and drift at -50.6" and 18.8" respectively. The .300WM/180g TTSX load delivers 2185fps/1908fpe at 600, similar to a .30-30 at the muzzle.

For me the choice is a no-brainer. Out to 600 I'll take quite a few cartridges over the .338 Lapua. That list includes my 6.5-06AI, .280 Rem, 7mm RM. .30-06, .300 WM, .338WM and a bunch of others I don't already own.




Edited by Coyote_Hunter (Today at 03:34 PM)
Edit Reason: "bu,t" to "but,"
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#11989927 - Today at 04:25 PM Re: For hunting out to 600 meters 300 Win Mag or .338 Laupa [Re: PaulBarnard]
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What is a meter?


The best and easiest way to measure anything. Increments of 10 in all measurements, unlike the ridiculous English system.
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