Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Single Shots Yet Another Big Bore 20" No. 1 ... (.450 Marlin)

Ruger has really embraced the big bore short barreled No. 1....

http://ruger.com/products/no1/specSheets/21313.html

For what???? A cartridge that was a failure in the guns it was designed for. WTH not just bring out the same gun in the 45-70??????? Can't use the 450 Marlin anywhere that you can't use the 45-70.

I know it will never happen but I wish ruger would bring out the No.1 in 50-70. That would be fun.
Did they ever offer it in 500 S&W? H&R offered there single shot in the 500.

Ruger hasn't done anything above .475. H&R & T/C have done singles in .500.

Possibly because factory Ammo loaded to modern specs is easier to find, the reason the .450 exists in the first place. .444s have been selling steadily, if slowly, for decades, and Winchester has made .450s at times.

Midway shows one load from Hornady (325 gr Flex Tip...) and three from Buffalo Bore. They also show more than a dozen stout loads for the 45-70. Just not seeing it.

I said possibly😜!

That was absolutely the original reason for the .450. Things may well have changed since. Winchester was able to make 94s for the round, as well as .444s, something not possible with the .45/70.

Since it's not a problem I have, I don't know for certain that the all the states that allow the .450 also allow the Govt. round, but it makes sense. It's also possible that what Midway carries may not reflect what is commonly available in stores, where many if not most hunters buy their ammo.

My best guess is that Ruger cranks these funny models out to churn the collector crowd so they have to keep buying new ones. If that helps keep the No.1 in production, I'm all for it.

EDIT: Just checked and the Flex load is the only one Hornady makes now; the original 350gr is gone. Buffalo Bore makes some real thumpers for it though, up to 500gr.

+1

I would say that's absolutely the reason. There are tons of .45-70's out there albeit with 22" barrels and even a small run of 26" barrels. I forget if those 22" models were the 1H or 1S, this is the 1S with a medium contour barrel so maybe that's a selling point.

i was glad to buy a 460 sw no.1 goes with my smith 460 pistol, but I wish Ruger built more magnum cartridge no.1`s,these big bores are really just a short range rifle,not very useful out west for shots over a 100 yards.

The 45-70 came in the 1-S, 1-S stainless, a very few in 1-H, the anniversary engraved model, and the 26" circassian run. I saw a beautiful 26" one years ago at a shop, but didnt buy.

The 20" would be cool. It does fine in the short Marlins, so no problem there

Yep...i just don't get it.

Especially that 450 Bushmaster abomination!

Whatever floats your boat, but I assure you I won't be buying!

Just my .02,
Todd

So; I am not the only one. I feel the same about the 30 carbine. At least the 30 us is not rebated.
Abomination aside, the 450BM is now popular and as such a reasonable option for the No.1.
That is if it works, rebated rim and all. Certainly not for me. Might make a good revolver?

Oh wait a minute, you refer to the muzzle brake, laminated stainless abomination. OK, yes
that too. BIG TIME ABOMINATION. I did post some place my view on the abomination no1.
This is the "look" the gen-x, AR15 and Rambonistas like. IMHO, Anything that sells No1 s is a
good thing. second anything that nudges the new generation in the tradition direction is also good.
I just hope the newbies are not nut jobs that are afraid to register to vote.

I might as well comment on the 450 Marlin option. IMHO -That will be a collector gun. I am fine
with that too. Whatever sells No1's. For that matter, when was the last time you
saw a well worn No1 for sale? I am just thinking now, if Ruger does not continue the Abomination
theme those could be collectable too. It certainly is different!

From my perception the only reason I can see that anyone would want a 450 bushy over anything else, is because it fits the moronic rules established for hunting deer in limited rifle (slug only) areas in some states, like here in Michigan. There are not that many factory options if you want to reach out and touch something. For me the 460 S&W is better, with a rim and the fact that you can also fire casull or colt in it.. Obviously, the rim doesn't make it very good for a bolt gun but neither does the straight wall 450 bushy case with no belt or shoulder.

My beef with the number ones in these cals is the barrel length. I get that the velocity gain probably isn't squat going to 24", but I just don't like the way they feel or look with a 20" on the no 1 action. As always to each his own.

Funny game we're all involved in, ain't it.

I would like to see a no1 with an octagon barrel in 45-70. Something a little different.

I could use a .460 to use up some of the .452 bullets I keep buying for my ML. Buy 100, shoot maybe 10, buy 200, shoot 10 more.......

Todd... Most of the folks who don't live in Mi don't know how the .450 Bushmaster Rugers came to be. Two yrs ago MI changed the laws to allow pistol cartridges for deer in Lower Mi. (Formerly Shotgun zone) The criteria was .35 cal or larger straight walled cases. With a case length of not less than 1.1" and not greater than 1.81" (Length of the .460 S&W) One of the larger gun shops (Randy's Hunting Ctr.) contracted with Ruger for 1000 Ruger Americans in .450 Bush. because that round meets the criteria to be legal in Lwr Mi. They sold out almost immeadiately. So they ordered another 1000. When they announced these would go on sale, People starter lining up the afternoon before. Those sold out just about as fast. Then Ruger decided to add them to their line, and then extended the chambering to #1's. They are so popular in MI you can hardly give away a slug gun. It probably meets the criteria in other states to be legal for deer. Personally, I don't see why the .450 should be legal and the .45-70 is not, but I don't make the laws. And when did our idiot polititions use any logic or common sense?

GH

Glad to see you poke your head back in Ed! Your voice of reason has been badly missed around here...

Oh, I stick my nose in from time to time, but nowhere near daily as I used to... BTW... The #1-AH in 6.5 "you-know-what" is done. Haven't got a chance for range time as yet, but I did take my meat deer this year with the 6.5x54 MS. Lovely little rifle! Can't believe how nice it turned out. I know you'd love it...

If by "Big Bores" you mean 45/70s on up then you are sadly mistaken. With a scope any decently sccurate 45/70 , 450 Marlin etc is a 300 yard rifle with a scope ahooting high velocity loads.

In the pistol cals like 460 and 454 Casull etc they have the power and accuracy potential to be sure 200 yard killers with a scope. At least the range of a modern scoped muzzleloader pushing the same slugs at the same velocities .

Ruger wont build a full octagon barrel so I did it myself in 7MM/08 about five years ago

I’m surprised the 444 Marlin cartridge hasn’t been run.

I agree. Always thought it would be a logical choice.

And it’s the only reason I’m hanging on to about 6 boxes of 444 ammo!

You might not have to wait long. I have a K1S at my local gunsmith for a new barrel in 444 Marlin, which means that odds are Ruger will offer a 444 right about the time I write a check for mine, probably sometime early next year. I say this because it happened to me a few years ago with a 1S that I had rebarreled to 35 Whelen. Within a couple weeks of getting it home, the 35W 1S came out.

I built a 458x2” American based on a Ruger 77 Mark II short action and a Ruger No.3 45/70 take off barrel resulting in an ‘all Ruger parts’ 458 American.
Two months later Marlin & Hornady announced the new 450 Marlin 🙄

i have a #1 in 405 Winchester it's a great rifle and an excellent cartridge. I doubt that Ruger will bring out a 444 Marlin as there's the 405 and 45/70. not that's it's not a good idea mind you.

I have the same (stainless laminate) No.1 in 405 Win. Great shooter and very accurate. Not many 405 ‘fans’ out there however IMO. This one loves Barnes Triple X bullets.
I think the 444 Marlin and at least one of the short 35s (35 Rem & 358) are sadly overlooked potential No.1 candidate cartridges.

After all the bashing of the no 1 in 450 marlin does anyone here actually have one? I would like to know likes or dislikes from actual experience with this rifle.

I would like to hold one to feel the balance. Looks a bit ugly (unbalanced) in pictures but my 475 Linebaugh No.1 feels pretty good in the hands despite the 20” barrel.
I let my 458x2 American Ruger 77 go a dozen+ years ago. If I saw a No.1 in 450 Marlin with really nice walnut and not crazy priced, I’d probably not be able to resist becoming poorer in the few minutes it would take to acquire it!