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Came across an 800,000 serial 300 R. Don't know the LBC yet. What year's did they show up? [Linked Image] [Linked Image] [Linked Image] [Linked Image]

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From note I have from a member, there were about 500 800k #s used, spread across 1953-1956.

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Thanks. This one is 835xxx. So lbc should be E,F,G or H. Wonder if they were all "R's".

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Not sure I remember seeing another R.. think all that I've seen were EG's.

You positive it's an 8 and not an oddly struck 6? Seen a couple of those that were really hard to tell apart. grin


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If you magnify this pic you'll see a clearly stamped "8" [Linked Image] [Linked Image]

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Anyone have serial number ranges of the other's?

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Yeah.. got a list I saved from Callahan, just have to find it.


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From JTC long ago, as reposted by Lightfoot long ago, and now reposted by me. grin

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Mike and anyone interested. Here is a summary of the 800,000 S/N block. It seems apparent that the company set this block aside for some unknown reason as the dates are much earlier than lower serial numbers shipped a couple of years later. Second there are way less than 100K guns in this block. The first posted s/n is 834,000 and is followed by blank records up to 834,777. A blank record is where the numbers are posted and have no entry against them and of course no product either. The first entry is at S/N 834,778 and is dated 11/6/53. The following entries are mixed up to s/n 834899 and are dated 10 & 11 of 1953 with a sprinkle of some 1955 and 56 dates. 834900 to 834909 are blank. 834910 to 834994 have entries dated 10-1953 with some in 1954. 834995 to 835025 are blank. 835026 to 835262 are mixed entries with 10 & 11 1953 dates. 835263 to 835412 are blank. 835413 to 835451
Show entries for 8/9/10/11 of 1953. 835452 to 835520 are blank. 835521 to 835539 show entries for 10/1954 and 7/1954. 835540 to 836051 are blank. If I did my subtraction right this makes for 502 Model 99’s in this S/N block. The next entry is at 900000, which of course is where the new longer and open receivers to accommodate the .243, .308 and .358 Winchester rounds started. I hope this sheds some light, but not necessarily some answers, on this controversial series of numbers. Jack


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The 2 i have are EG's and all i had ever seen( 2 more) were EG's,i have never seen or heard of a "R" in the 800,000 series. Rare Bird,nice condition !!!!

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I'll have it in my hand's next week.Seem's to be an odd one.If Don doesn't have one it's rare. smile

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I'm curious to know if the Receiver ring is stamped on the side or top which could indicate factory D&T.

Aren't most of the 800K guns not factory drilled?.

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Not stamped on the side.Were there R's that weren't D&T? Is it possible there's no stamping on top? Probably non factory drilled.The cocking indicator appear's pretty close to the rear base.

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Good eyes, Mike. All 1950's 99R's were factory d&t (except for one special order that we saw), so this should have the stamp on the side. This one not being stamped is very odd. Wouldn't be factory stamped on top and factory drilled also, can't imagine QA allowing that to go through.

Might be a non-factory d&t 99R. Might be a non-stamped 99R. Might be a 99EG with swapped wood and aftermarket d&t. Might be, might be... lots of might be's. Will be interesting to see what you find.


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Keep us posted on what you find once in hand, please. grin


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Non stamped R would be neat.Anybody have or seen one? It appear's to be a legitimate R as far as wood fit.The mystery of the 800,000's.Never say never.Seen more than a few 99's stamped on the side not drilled & tapped.Don't know why a stamped on top couldn't have got out D&T. Who know's. Lot of strange one's out there like the 700,000 numbered 99 in 243.

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Memory says all of the 800k rifles I have seen were drilled throught the stamp


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Wow,Thanks ctw,

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Originally Posted by ctw
Memory says all of the 800k rifles I have seen were drilled throught the stamp


So, 'probably' done at the factory?

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Not sure on anything Mike, was hoping someone else would chime in. Don your two are the drilled and tapped?


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Don's EG's aren't d&t.

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I don't recall ever seeing any 1950's 99 drilled through the top that made us think it might be factory.

Never say never, but I can't see it.. Course, we saw a 1950's 99R without a serial number but with proof/assembly stamps, so definitely never say never.


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Who know's what was going on at Savage with these 800,000 numbered 99's.

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All we know is what JTC revealed in a post years ago in response to my question. Calhoun reposted it above.

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But he didn't state how many of each model.Obviously there were R's although people here have only seen EG's in the 800,000's.

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I have seen an R with factory letter verifying it is one of the 502.

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I'd like to compare the serial number of that one with this one.

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Maybe they were planning ahead to introduce the number 1,000,000 by 1960 and had to skip a bunch of numbers to get there.


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I think the KISS answer is likeliest... once in a while, somebody mis-stamped some guns with the wrong serial numbers. Bad hangover?

Wonder if a guy looked through the logs if they wouldn't find some 700,000 guns produced around the same time, or even 900,000's. We know they made screwups on serial number stamping with things like stamping the same number on multiple rifles.

Btw, John, thanks for confirming there were 99R's made. I always thought there would be, just in low number since EG's outsold the R's by quite a bit at that time.


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Originally Posted by wyo1895
Maybe they were planning ahead to introduce the number 1,000,000 by 1960 and had to skip a bunch of numbers to get there.


That could very well be the case. I also believe they wanted a distinct breakpoint for the magazine modification for the .308 cartridges and jumped to 900K to achieve that.

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I have 7 in my data, 2 R's, 5 EG's. Two are lettered. One shipped 11/`53, one 8/`54. LBC's are E and F.

I thought maybe the first digit, "6" & "8", of the serial machine were hard to tell apart and every so often they would error and stamp some in the 800,000 range. But the seven I have data on are in the 834xxx and 835xxx range which if was intended to be 6xx,xxx serials would probably have LBC's from 1952 and would not be from 1953/1954. Well so much for that theory! frown

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Will do Rick.All I know for sure at the moment is the first three is 835.

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How does one get a letter on an early 50's gun? I thought there were no records for that period.

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Serial is 83504x LBC 3 E.......Which is the year I was born..1953

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My R is serial # 83508X drilled for scope and sight

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Boss code "E"?

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Doug, are the markings on the side of the receiver ring or on top?


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Side and it has the tang holes also

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So then some had the SAVAGE 99 stamped on top and some on the side.

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Originally Posted by KeithNyst
So then some had the SAVAGE 99 stamped on top and some on the side.

99R's? Never make generalizations off of a sample of one.


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Originally Posted by Calhoun
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So then some had the SAVAGE 99 stamped on top and some on the side.

99R's? Never make generalizations off of a sample of one.


I thought sqweelers is stamped on top and Doug’s on the side.

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ctw say's the 800,000 he's seen were drilled through the stamp.The one I have coming isn't stamped on the side,has a scope,so I'm assuming it's drilled through the stamp.I'll have it in a few day's.

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That statement is true with the revalation that at least one 800k rifle has the markings on the side seems maybe the 800k rifle were experiments?? Maybe??


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Originally Posted by KeithNyst
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So then some had the SAVAGE 99 stamped on top and some on the side.

99R's? Never make generalizations off of a sample of one.


I thought sqweelers is stamped on top and Doug’s on the side.


I don't know that he was making a generalization. He was merely stating that based on the small sample size we have one or some(there may be others) are stamped on top or on the side.

Which appears to be the case...


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Originally Posted by sqweeler
ctw say's the 800,000 he's seen were drilled through the stamp.The one I have coming isn't stamped on the side,has a scope,so I'm assuming it's drilled through the stamp.I'll have it in a few day's.

Okay... sample of two. grin

For the ones in 99R wood drilled through the top stamp, would be awesome to be able to check assembly codes on stock/receiver and see if it's a match.


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Just to explain.. I'd be surprised that the factory would experiment with non-d&t 99R's several years after they started making all 99R's d&t. Talk about ticking off your customers. Never say never, just nice to get proof.


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So then why in the HELL did the 800k sn range end with only a few? Really was not that long ago.


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Any 800K in a winchester caliber?


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Fug's 99R - sn 835,08x. Standard 99R from looks of it, though the jewelled bolt would place it later than '53 if it fits in with other jewelled bolt 99R's I've seen. No date letter on lever boss, just inspector number of 20.

E on the side.. inspector number? oddly placed date code?

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Some one got busy on the forend. And the round counter hole loooks a bit off. Both look 1895ish

I see know two rifles one 1895 and another 800k

So Don's rifles not drilled and tapped stampted on top and Doug's rifle D&T stamped on the side seems the 800k where a mish mash

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Some one got busy on the forend. And the round counter hole loooks a bit off. Both look 1895ish

That drew my eye as well. grin


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The "E" on Fug's is probably an inspector's stamp,maybe.The one I have coming has boss code stamp "E" and a "A" stamped on the side. [Linked Image]

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Yeah, we should pin down when they started those stamps on the side. Or maybe they aren't there consistently. That would surprise me.


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I have no info on the receiver inspectors stamps. Will have to start from scratch on that one.


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There's no 80 something year old person alive that worked there that would know this info? Geez,I get almost complete info and records on my Parker shotgun's that are over 100yrs old.

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Considering the recent chat, here's a neat full page Savage EG & R, eBay ad from 1956 on the Net. Illustrated & very readable!
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