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My college daughter has a Canon 60D that she loves. We are going to Disney after Christmas and she mentioned that she might like a new lens to use while we are there. She is on a "college budget" so isn't looking for anything super expensive but would love suggestions on good option for dark/light, people/landscape, etc lenses.
If you know of any used deals she would be interested in that also. Thanks
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Great suggestion. I had never considered renting.
That 40mm is cool. Her camera is not full frame (I don't think) but that lens says full frame format. Will that be an issue or change anything?
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Might try KEH and B&D for used gear. Their prices are quite good, condition ratings extremely accurate, warranties, and they are good about shipping within an hour or two of ones making an order. Sounds like something in the 24 to 105 mm zoom or lesser range would suffice. That camera is probably a crop sensor, so a lens in that realm will probably be the equivalent of a 38 to maybe 168mm unit. About a 1.6 multiplier I think.
Might also try the sponsors of this thread (Camera Land NY). Don't know if they handle used gear or not, but they may have some inexpensive kit lenses available. Beware though, one can get into serious bucks for fast prime lenses.
If one Googles up other sources, also seek out some reviews of their organization. There are some shady folks out there.
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What lens does she have now? I am in the store today from now until 5:00. Give me a call and we will do the best we can for a campfire member. Knowing what she has will make it easier top suggest something
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The Canon 50mm STM f1.8 is a great little "walk around" lens. About $125
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The Canon 50mm STM f1.8 is a great little "walk around" lens. About $125 That is a fantastic lens, but not what I would consider "versatile" for a walk-around lens at a place like Disney...
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Great suggestion. I had never considered renting.
That 40mm is cool. Her camera is not full frame (I don't think) but that lens says full frame format. Will that be an issue or change anything? The "aspect ratio" of Canon cameras in the XXD series is 1.4:1. The "1.4" is a 35mm film frame and the "1" is the sensor size is in the camera. So a 40mm lens automatically "crops" the area outside the sensor. That is not a problem to the camera. But a 100mm lens would act like a 140mm lens in field of view. Some confuse this number with a better picture, but it is just a little bit of cropping from the beginning. The 40mm in question would act like a 56mm lens. Which means the neat artifacts of the lens would be harder to use... but not impossible.
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What lens does she have now? I am in the store today from now until 5:00. Give me a call and we will do the best we can for a campfire member. Knowing what she has will make it easier top suggest something
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Great suggestion. I had never considered renting.
That 40mm is cool. Her camera is not full frame (I don't think) but that lens says full frame format. Will that be an issue or change anything? The "aspect ratio" of Canon cameras in the XXD series is 1.4:1. The "1.4" is a 35mm film frame and the "1" is the sensor size is in the camera. So a 40mm lens automatically "crops" the area outside the sensor. That is not a problem to the camera. But a 100mm lens would act like a 140mm lens in field of view. Some confuse this number with a better picture, but it is just a little bit of cropping from the beginning. The 40mm in question would act like a 56mm lens. Which means the neat artifacts of the lens would be harder to use... but not impossible. Don't believe that is correct info. The sensor size native ratio (e.g. 3:2, 4:3, 16:9, 1:1 etc) for a canon APS+C and FF body is 3:2 (which is not directly related to the crop factor of 1.6x (e.g. 100mm lens becomes 160mm when used with a Canon crop sensor body). Another note, a FF lens (e.g. EF) can be used on a APS-C body but a APS-C lens (EF-S) can not be used with a FF body.
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As mentioned above, Lensrental is a great company to deal with. I used to live about 5 minutes from their warehouse in Memphis. If you want an expensive lens for a short amount of time, then they are easy to deal with. Depending on how heavy a lens, the 24-105 and 24-70 top tier lenses would be my Disney choices, for a general, all around lens.
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Great suggestion. I had never considered renting.
That 40mm is cool. Her camera is not full frame (I don't think) but that lens says full frame format. Will that be an issue or change anything? The "aspect ratio" of Canon cameras in the XXD series is 1.4:1. The "1.4" is a 35mm film frame and the "1" is the sensor size is in the camera. So a 40mm lens automatically "crops" the area outside the sensor. That is not a problem to the camera. But a 100mm lens would act like a 140mm lens in field of view. Some confuse this number with a better picture, but it is just a little bit of cropping from the beginning. The 40mm in question would act like a 56mm lens. Which means the neat artifacts of the lens would be harder to use... but not impossible. Don't believe that is correct info. The sensor size native ratio (e.g. 3:2, 4:3, 16:9, 1:1 etc) for a canon APS+C and FF body is 3:2 (which is not directly related to the crop factor of 1.6x (e.g. 100mm lens becomes 160mm when used with a Canon crop sensor body). Another note, a FF lens (e.g. EF) can be used on a APS-C body but a APS-C lens (EF-S) can not be used with a FF body. Thank you for that correction! I have not kept up since my earlier Canon bodies and did not realize they were not fixed physically by the sensor.
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Canon's APS-H sensor is the 1.4x,which is the 1D-Series bodies only...and happens to be my favorite of all their sensors. I MUCH prefer my 1D3 and 1D4,to the 1Ds bodies(Full Frame),in my larder.
The 17-40L is a great fit on an APS-C sensor...........................
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APS-H sensor = 1.3x and has not been produced in many years.
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Canon's APS-H sensor is the 1.4x,which is the 1D-Series bodies only...and happens to be my favorite of all their sensors. I MUCH prefer my 1D3 and 1D4,to the 1Ds bodies(Full Frame),in my larder.
The 17-40L is a great fit on an APS-C sensor........................... Agreed on both counts. If she only wants an EF-S lens, it is hard to beat, for the price, the EF-S 15-85. It's a pretty good lens for a non "L" lens.
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APS-H sensor = 1.3x and has not been produced in many years.
I fat fingered a key and only have a few......................
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So do you like the APS-H because you don't want to spend so much time in post cropping?
I seem to always want full frame for the lenses I have.
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Have loved the info every is posting. I know so little, it has all been helpful.
She is going to borrow a lens from a friend for the trip. Someone talked her into their Canon 10-18mm lens. It had a great review on Ken Rockwells site. I have mixed ideas about his reviews but he certainly has reviewed a lot of equipment. We will see if it meets her needs. If not, Joel at Camerland has been awesome and was willing to make us several deals on lenses they have. I would recommend everyone try him if camera equipment is needed!
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The Canon 10-18mm (I own it) would not be in my top list of lens for a trip like that but it is a very lightweight lens and a starting point to help her decide what she may like. Also keep in mind that that lens will not work on a FF (APS-C only). If budget is a concern and if I were in her/your shoes, I would be looking for a used quality lens. I also do not put much stock in the big name online sites for reviews. Take a look on Youtube and look at many "reviews" to make your own educated consensus. https://photography-on-the.net/forum is an excellent site to look for info. FWIW -- I own many lens from 10mm up to the 500mm F4 II and like all of these "if you could pick just one ABCD" thread, I would pick the 70-200mm F2.8 II (paired with a 7DII).
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10-18 is going to be pretty wide for a "trip lens" A standard zoom would likely be more useful on a Disneyland trip for the various photos she might want to take
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The Canon 10-18mm (I own it) would not be in my top list of lens for a trip like that but it is a very lightweight lens and a starting point to help her decide what she may like. Also keep in mind that that lens will not work on a FF (APS-C only). If budget is a concern and if I were in her/your shoes, I would be looking for a used quality lens. I also do not put much stock in the big name online sites for reviews. Take a look on Youtube and look at many "reviews" to make your own educated consensus. https://photography-on-the.net/forum is an excellent site to look for info. FWIW -- I own many lens from 10mm up to the 500mm F4 II and like all of these "if you could pick just one ABCD" thread, I would pick the 70-200mm F2.8 II (paired with a 7DII). I'm sure she would love that lens but its over $1000 used from what I can find. She will have to save a lot longer! Thanks for input though I will check youtube.
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Look for a used 24-70 F4 or 70-200 F4, both are excellent and quite affordable. For a first lens, I would highly recommend the 24-70 f4.
And for 3rd party lens, Tamron is excellent and nearly on par with the Canon equivalent but at 2/3 (or less) the cost of a Canon.
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So do you like the APS-H because you don't want to spend so much time in post cropping?
I seem to always want full frame for the lenses I have. APS-H long had the advantage in both frame rate and buffer depth. Backing away from schit,is often wayyyyyyyyy easier than getting closer. Hint. The 1DX and DX2,now both curtail some advantages,as well as offer greater ISO depth. I need/love 1D-Series build quality and battery life and if a 1D5 were unveiled in the morning,it'd be headed my way by 'Noon. Never could like extenders and even when gunning big whites of the 600 and 800mm focal length,I wanna drive APS-H over FF...mainly because I shoot both. Hint...................
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My college daughter has a Canon 60D that she loves. We are going to Disney after Christmas and she mentioned that she might like a new lens to use while we are there. She is on a "college budget" so isn't looking for anything super expensive but would love suggestions on good option for dark/light, people/landscape, etc lenses.
If you know of any used deals she would be interested in that also. Thanks Bang for the buck,a new Canon P&S will cover all the bases..................
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Every aspirig Canon shooter should have a 50/1.8, The Tamron mid length zoom should follow, then a bargain used 70-200 non IS. From there one can branch out according to taste and discipline.
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The Plastic Fantastic,is an EASY pass.
The 70-200 non-IS comes in multiple flavors and the application,along with ISO capabilities of the body,would help dictate that selection. There's no fhuqking way I'd skirt a 70-200L 2.8 IS (2),over Lesser Turds...no matter the canon body or sensor size.
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I dont assume everyone has a level of commitment that dictates getting the latest and greatest. Some are just figuring out if this is something they are interested in. For 50 bucks at the used shop someone can explore for quite some time what big aperture primes are about. Similarly one is better getting a deal (sub 1k) on a non IS canon 70-200 2.8 than squandering it on something lime the f4 or off brand. If they like it and use it it's something that can be moved to upgrade to an IS model. Nothing about the body will get you the benefits of the wide open apperture and that focal length is one of the least useful for IS. Go spend 6k is an easy reccomendation.
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Nobody "recommended",nor "thought" to spend 6K...besides you and your "suprise" at that revelation,really shouldn't be. Hint.
Tammie has yet to make anything worth a fhuqk. As 3rd party goes,Siggy RULES the roost,routinely slapping the schit outta Canon's "L" wares(ART's in particular). Pardon my shooting it all and then some.
Hint.
I'd MUCH rather have a Canon P&S,than a Canon APS-C DSLR,wearing Coke Bottle "glass".
Re-hint....................
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Interesting thoughts as no manufacturer has a lock on good lens and each makes some beauties, some more than others. If one doesn't need the water or shock proofing the Tamron mid-length zoom is very nice lens for the money. Sigma makes some great glass too but, even Canon isn't a panacea. Brand affiliation isn't going to get one good glass and doubly so when budget is a primary factor. All the off brands including Sigma make some junk. I'd hardly consider telling an aspiring hobbiest that already owns a 60d to get a PS sound advice. That's an intellectual dead end and a recipe for boredom. There's a whole world of affordable glass to play and grow with.
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Tamron is like looking through a dirty windshield,that someone just rubbed Vaseline on it's wipers...and activated same. Hint.
I've a "few" DSLR's and a "few" lenses and have yet to set a P&S on the sidelines. Hint.
The last fhuqking thing I'd do,is swoon schit Riggin' and ask the unsuspecting to procure same. Schit glass is never prudent and bang for the buck versatility,is simply fhuqking OWNED by the P&S.
Your Cluelessness,is consistently hilarious. Congratulations?!?
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Cookie hangs with some pros for about 3 weeks each fall. Nikon and Canon prevail. They're all wildlife chasers mostly relying on brand name primes, but a couple have tried the Tamron 150-600's. Likely not a unit the OP is interested in at the moment. Thoughts are it's a great lens for the money, but just a little slow in the first and last hours of the day. Midday they hang with the brand names for image quality, so for one on a budget they get a passing grade. No one's made mention of anything other than the extreme telephoto versions, and there are no Sigma users in the bunch.
To the OP - Hope you have an enjoyable experience. Did Disney World once for 5 days and it was well worth the $$$.
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The Tammie 600mm,is like "swooning" a Barska 6-36x 52mm scope.
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LAUGHING!.................
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