Home Forums Miscellaneous Topics Christ at the Campfire Do you believe that drinking wine is sinful?

Intent is the issue, and I will say it till doomsday. The intent of the Meth addict is to get high. Few people smoke a joint for medicinal purposes. They want to get high. No one wants to snort cocaine for any reason than the high. And the drunk drinks for the same reason. Whatever the cause, there are people who cannot handle some things that would never appeal to many others. Ice cream is a good example.

Sanlen, that's a great observation, which deserved repeating...

I believe wine is useful for relaxation. A small amount has a calming, stress-reducing effect on a person. I honestly believe that God gave us wine to gladden our hearts, as the Psalm says. So wine is not in a grey area like tobacco, marijuana, and other such things which are neither expressly condemned nor approved of in scripture. Wine is definitely approved of in scripture, and often for the distinctly implied purpose of calming or soothing the often bereft human condition.

Dan

My ol' Dad lived here on this earth 'till he was 99 1/2 years old, then went to spend eternity with our Lord. He was uneducated ( 4th grade) but had beautiful handwriting untill he was about 75 and then his hands became very shakey to the point where he just about couldn't write at all. Then a friend suggested that he try a glass of wine when the shaking started. Amazing results. Nice and smooth like it had been years ago. No, he did not turn into a "wino" nor get 'pucking sick,' or beat my mom or any of that stuff that anyone that drinks a glass of wine does, according to some of the posters here. It , instead, was a great help to him and I know that God did not 'send him packing.'

As some have said, intent and moderation are the key words.

Somebody actually said that?????? It sure wasn't me.

I'm short on time here but just let me say that I feel blessed to have been raised in such away that alcohol has little influence on my life.My average yearly consumption of beer and wine would probably not flush the toilet more than twice,if that.I realy have no desire to be drunk.I got drunk a couple of times in my early 20's and have never defiled any young ladies,drunken or not.I count this a blessing more than anything to brag about,It's great to have a family that you would not want to embarass or have to face with something awful that you've done,and i freely admit that's all that has kept me on the straight and narrow at times.There are all kinds of problems that just never have a chance to develope when people have right relations with family and others.


How about credit cards?I wouldn't be without mine,they make life a lot simpler and I have almost never paid any interest on one though I did once have to pay a late fee that was larger than the payment i'd forgotten to make.Is it a sin for me to use a credit card in front of someone who I know is unable to control their spending?

Well, if you're looking for the party line, then go with the flow. If it feels good, do it. It would be legalistic in some folks views to say that ANYTHING is really a sin except something they never do. The worst sin in the book is the one I have never done, and the least sin is the one I do all the time.

Credit cards? Give me a verse of scripture on it, or else spend to the max. That's the vogue on da innahnet.

Is there some contest about rediculous exageration going on I don't know about?

Seems like it, doesn't it? I know of good Christians that were convinced that the rapture was going to be in 1988 and so they went out and maxed out their credit cards figuring that they would leave the debt behind when the trumpet sounded. Did I miss the trumpet, or did they have to pay the bill.

There's lots of kooks in the world, and I ain't one of them, well, at least I'm not as bad as some of the kooks -- the ones that commit sins I would never do.

Sometimes ridiculosity is fun. Read some of the threads we have had over the years. Kinda funny, really. :yukyuk:

Really? Why 1988? 2000 I could maybe understand, or 2012, but what was the big deal about 1988?


I remember the first one I ever posted on. I was called a fornicator over and over on that one. Been a few hills and valleys since then, too.

this thread is driving me to drink ....













the dregs of my large arnold palmer.
(that's half and half lemonade and unsweetened tea for all you non-drinkers.)

...would that be a 1988 Vintage?

Naw . . . . if it was a 1988 vintage, the lemon juice would have fermented, unles it had been past your eyesd.

Have NO idea. It wasn't me, nor anyone that was in our church. Wackos on every corner, it seems. Glad I live in the middle of the block.

When someone predicts the date of the rapture, I have to wonder if they're drinking communion wine by the quart.

Dick

I have to wonder why "good Christians" action to believing the rapture was imminent would be to spend to the limit on their credit cards.

Me too! But they claimed to be good Christians. . . . . and they did it . . . . "in faith, believing."

Fair - I - see ??

If you are saying I am a Pharisee, Brother Ivan, that grieves me in my spirit, but I guess without the use of yellow smiling faces, humour is lost in cyberspace. I apologize for not grining or sticking my tongue in my cheek about the quote you posted above. That's the way the modern world sees it . . . . I certainly do not.

Put me on ignore, if you want. It would save you a lot of grief.

Hey, Bro. Keith, I ain't calling you a Pharisee at all! Didn't mean for those words to sound so serious! Should have installed a happy face or two but now all I can say is I'm sorry. I take it back. So save the sackcloth and ashes for another time.

"There's lots of things the Bible doesn't "condemn" -- tabacker is one of them. Marihuana is another, cocaine, heroine, crack, meth -- I guess we can dabble in all that stuff then, and be right with God, huh?"

I would think that scripture does indeed talk about and "condemn" a few of these things. All of the items listed here (with the exception of "tabacker") are against the law of the land. If I remember correctly, God instituted the government and placed into office it's (the governments) agents and represenatives to make and enforce laws on our behalf. A christian is supposed to obey the law of the land unless that law goes against God's holy will. Somehow I seem to be missing the correlation to things that are audiauphoric (wine) and those that are known to be illegal to imbibe. Just another "angle" from the peanut gallery.

best,
bhtr

Led astray. Does that mean a glass with dinner? A bottle on your anniversary? Or losing everything and sleeping in a gutter?

Does "unwise" equate to "damned?" I see no reference to sin in the absolute or relative sense in that scripture.