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Originally Posted by captbutch
We The People..

When did we give up our voice to be heard?

Have we forgot that we are the in the majority and politicians work for us?

Why do we stand for tyranny of our government?

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Because Kaperdink taught people to kneel?

Might as well start suing the counties that allowed cheating before the socialist tax all your money away and you can't afford a lawyer anymore...


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Originally Posted by MontanaMarine
Knowing something is wrong, and taking actions that would be dangerous and could cost you everything, are two very different things.

Most people are not willing to 'go there' until they feel they have nothing left to lose.

As a population, we have not felt any real pain being inflicted upon us by our govt.

If/when that type of pain becomes clear and palpable to the masses, then a hostile reaction will be organic.


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So you think every conservative in your state would be fine with no gun laws ? No paperwork to fill out, no background check, order a gun and have it delivered to your door, no restrictions on who can carry where, suppressors, SBR's, sawed off shotguns and full auto for all ? You're living in fantasy land if you do.


And that is the basis of the problem that America as an ideal and a nation faces today: NO ONE actually supports Liberty or the Constitution or the Rule of Law. And you've laid out the case for why "I just vote Red" doesn't and won't solve schit. You think this is all happenstance? Coincidence? That of the two main political parties in the US, neither supports the ideals upon which this nation was founded?
You don't have to try to convince me. I'm with you on this and that's exactly what I've been trying to get across here.

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I’ll put up with a lot of scheit in order to maintain the status quo, and why not? Making $$, setting my kids up for a good future etc...
but they come to take my lawfully owned property from me, for no other reason than they decide I shouldn’t have it any longer, they better kiss their fuggin families goodbye, cause I’ll give them no quarter. NO matter the cost to me. Every single one of you better have the same mentality, or be prepared to live like a servant. I’d rather die. They face the blowback I’m expecting, they’ll change their minds real quick.
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Originally Posted by MontanaMarine
Knowing something is wrong, and taking actions that would be dangerous and could cost you everything, are two very different things.

Most people are not willing to 'go there' until they feel they have nothing left to lose.

As a population, we have not felt any real pain being inflicted upon us by our govt.

If/when that type of pain becomes clear and palpable to the masses, then a hostile reaction will be organic.


100% This...

The vast majority of anarchists who have been running amuck are mostly students who aren’t in school. Teachers who aren’t teaching. Blacks who are on government financial assistance. Street urchins who live on the streets. And, the criminal and mentally unstable, which are prevalent in every society.

Until we, the providers of tax payments and incomes start feeling the direct pain from a government that is condoning and encouraging behaviors that removes our property in ways once considered illegally,,,,but now seen as a legitimate redistribution of wealth to those who lay claim to others hard earned things.

We probably won’t have a unified response. But, once the above happens. Leaders amongst us will rise with a coalesced message that will include all forms of action against a 21st Century tyranny.

God and people will Fûck the King....

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Originally Posted by Beaver10
Originally Posted by MontanaMarine
Knowing something is wrong, and taking actions that would be dangerous and could cost you everything, are two very different things.

Most people are not willing to 'go there' until they feel they have nothing left to lose.

As a population, we have not felt any real pain being inflicted upon us by our govt.

If/when that type of pain becomes clear and palpable to the masses, then a hostile reaction will be organic.


100% This...

The vast majority of anarchists who have been running amuck are mostly students who aren’t in school. Teachers who aren’t teaching. Blacks who are on government financial assistance. Street urchins who live on the streets. And, the criminal and mentally unstable, which are prevalent in every society.

Until we, the providers of tax payments and incomes start feeling the direct pain from a government that is condoning and encouraging behaviors that removes our property in ways once considered illegally,,,,but now seen as a legitimate retribution of wealth to those who lay claim to others hard earned things.

We probably won’t have a unified response. But, once the above happens. Leaders amongst us will rise with a coalesced message that will include all forms of action against a 21st Century tyranny.

God and people will Fûck the King....

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Agree, Some spark will come from an unexpected direction and all hell will be visited. And those who just wanted to be left alone (as noted above) will come full on. Many have given everything to give us our freedom never forget. How many are asking themselves today where they draw the line.

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Toot,
The divide in my observation is rural versus urban. The cities vote blue and the rural areas vote red as a whole. That seems to be true all across this country. Even California has rural red. The higher the concentration of people the more socialist they get.


Agreed. You left out the software though. It also votes blue, and just enough to overcome the red.

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We The People..

What happened that "We The People" are no longer relevant.

When did we give up our voice to be heard?

Have we forgot that we are the in the majority and politicians work for us?

Why do we stand for tyranny of our government?

Why do we let lies and blatant fraud stand?

Are we truly sheep and accept what we are told with no recourse?

Why are we allowing politicians to block access to facts that would allow the people to determine what's right or wrong?

Why is the Constitution no longer the basis of our Country's way of life?

I'm sick of backroom deals being made, and sick of money buying our "representatives" to undermine our rights and freedoms for the sake of their personal gain.

We once revolted against "Taxation Without Representation".


I think that time has come once more...



Your plan going forward is,,,,,,,,,?

Nice speech, though.




#1 Unify...One man can't do it alone

#2 Identify the problem or process

#3 Prepare a response

#4 Initiate accordingly

#5 Be relentless, demand action to resolve







All nice words.

How, when and where does it all start? Who leads off? What is the genesis of it?

One more for ya. Gonna run down to Bass Pro for some more ammunition? Cabelas, maybe?

Those are the f’ckn questions.



It starts with like minded people discussing among themselves and others...


And that is very likely the places that these discussions often take place (bars, restaraunts, churches) are currently shut down in many states.

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Originally Posted by MontanaMarine
Knowing something is wrong, and taking actions that would be dangerous and could cost you everything, are two very different things.

Most people are not willing to 'go there' until they feel they have nothing left to lose.

As a population, we have not felt any real pain being inflicted upon us by our govt.

If/when that type of pain becomes clear and palpable to the masses, then a hostile reaction will be organic.


+1 agree ..

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I've been talking about organizing for a while now glad to see it being discussed .
Organizing with like minded people - having a plan in place IF the socialist gov't were to try and go outside the Constitution - then you're ready to react to their illegal action . Or sit in your Barca Lounger/chipsNdips/pepsi figuring others will take care of the problem . There are MANY of us - if we organize we'll outnumber them 100's of times over if YOU take the chip&dips route - I sure hope you know you're seeing a coward when you look in the mirror .
There are tens of thousand of boys/teens/20's/30's year olds that will gladly join our ranks .
PLAN AHEAD - BE READY NOW
President Trump was a four year extension for us , think where we would be right now if the 2016 FIXED ELECTION went the way it was PLANNED to go !?! Four year [eight years] under the rule of hillary clinton ? <-- yeah .

We can't drag our feet any longer , no matter what your age or physical condition is YOU need to help - we all need to be involved . This 'I'm too old'' is BS !!!!!!

Organizing in your region then connecting somehow ? I'm no expert in how to get it going and I know it won't happen overnight - nothing big works like that .
I'd like to hear others thoughts on doing something like this -- I'm not talking going out and destroying anything or shooting anything or anybody . BUT IF the socialist start infringing - they'll need to be corrected . With enough Patriots the left would realize that their commie games can and will have very bad results .

If President Trump retains office - we had better not waste those years sitting idle . Get out of that Barca Lounger ..


PRESIDENT TRUMP 2024/2028 !!!!!!!!!!


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Originally Posted by jackmountain

I’ll put up with a lot of scheit in order to maintain the status quo, and why not? Making $$, setting my kids up for a good future etc...
but they come to take my lawfully owned property from me, for no other reason than they decide I shouldn’t have it any longer, they better kiss their fuggin families goodbye, cause I’ll give them no quarter. NO matter the cost to me. Every single one of you better have the same mentality, or be prepared to live like a servant. I’d rather die. They face the blowback I’m expecting, they’ll change their minds real quick.
Come and take it.


They won't do it this directly. They will continue to chip-chip away, just like they've done the last 50 years.

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Originally Posted by jackmountain

I’ll put up with a lot of scheit in order to maintain the status quo, and why not? Making $$, setting my kids up for a good future etc...
but they come to take my lawfully owned property from me, for no other reason than they decide I shouldn’t have it any longer, they better kiss their fuggin families goodbye, cause I’ll give them no quarter. NO matter the cost to me. Every single one of you better have the same mentality, or be prepared to live like a servant. I’d rather die. They face the blowback I’m expecting, they’ll change their minds real quick.
Come and take it.


How about them already taxing you for a whole bunch of crap that is unconstitutional?

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Originally Posted by jackmountain

I’ll put up with a lot of scheit in order to maintain the status quo, and why not? Making $$, setting my kids up for a good future etc...
but they come to take my lawfully owned property from me, for no other reason than they decide I shouldn’t have it any longer, they better kiss their fuggin families goodbye, cause I’ll give them no quarter. NO matter the cost to me. Every single one of you better have the same mentality, or be prepared to live like a servant. I’d rather die. They face the blowback I’m expecting, they’ll change their minds real quick.
Come and take it.


They won't do it this directly. They will continue to chip-chip away, just like they've done the last 50 years.

...and they will use their data base and LEO to do the chipping.

Traffic stop, you are in the list, arrest and confiscate, etc.


Give a man a fish and he eats for a day. Give a man a welfare check, a forty ounce malt liquor, a crack pipe, an Obama phone, free health insurance. and some Air Jordan's and he votes Democrat for a lifetime.
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So you think every conservative in your state would be fine with no gun laws ? No paperwork to fill out, no background check, order a gun and have it delivered to your door, no restrictions on who can carry where, suppressors, SBR's, sawed off shotguns and full auto for all ? You're living in fantasy land if you do.


And that is the basis of the problem that America as an ideal and a nation faces today: NO ONE actually supports Liberty or the Constitution or the Rule of Law. And you've laid out the case for why "I just vote Red" doesn't and won't solve schit. You think this is all happenstance? Coincidence? That of the two main political parties in the US, neither supports the ideals upon which this nation was founded?
You don't have to try to convince me. I'm with you on this and that's exactly what I've been trying to get across here.


I'm glad to hear it. Seems to be missing in so many of these "dem v. republican" debates.


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Originally Posted by mathman
Originally Posted by jackmountain

I’ll put up with a lot of scheit in order to maintain the status quo, and why not? Making $$, setting my kids up for a good future etc...
but they come to take my lawfully owned property from me, for no other reason than they decide I shouldn’t have it any longer, they better kiss their fuggin families goodbye, cause I’ll give them no quarter. NO matter the cost to me. Every single one of you better have the same mentality, or be prepared to live like a servant. I’d rather die. They face the blowback I’m expecting, they’ll change their minds real quick.
Come and take it.


How about them already taxing you for a whole bunch of crap that is unconstitutional?


I don’t like it, but I can afford it without cramping my lifestyle so fugg it. It’s not worth killing and/or dying for.
A person physically taking my guns/ammo or making null and void my legal title to land, I’m ok with killing or dying and hopefully not the latter til I’ve had a chance to do the former.

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The rest of the worlds powers are just watching and biding their time while America is dismantled from within.

It's difficult to say what the world will look like in 100 years. But I don't see the U.S.A. making a strong comeback. The destruction of this country was baked in the cake when the subversives in our government (and those who control them) decided that the great melting pot idea would include flooding the country with 3rd world parasites.

The Founding Fathers set this country up for Caucasians.

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I went to university with the most entitled, educated socialist idjits in the Nation. We were baptised(1987) with the abomination known as political correctness and were forced to comply. I keep up with them just to see how the city slickers live. Most are multimillionaires and some of them are billionaires.(legit). You would be amazed how paranoid they are of what they call the reckoning or the great cull. When vast numbers of people in our nation and people across the world will die from an even higher structured level of elites( the Davos crew). In my conversations with them they are more fearful of a group of conservative technicians cutting the powergrid in the Eastern US and then having the Truckers just stop delivering food than from Nukes. The next great civil war will be between the urban poor and urban elites with a bit of conservative monkeywrenching involved. Canada also needs this type of reset. How it will go will not be based on me jumping up and down up here. This baby is headed for the cities. There is a conservative minority in those places that doesn't vote, works hard and is ready to rock and roll. One townie cop in Boston can take down 50 metrosexual manbuns and Whoopie Goldberg bulldykes if it goes real. However, if it doesn't within the next ten years I can say that GenX is not as salty as the old boys in Vietnam Vet hats that I see breaking covid protocols drinking their coffee down at the Holiday Gas station cafe. We could be in for tough sledding.

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This is what we are sitting still for : Look what was elected. Higher taxes, more wars, blm and antifa destroying businesses and homes, higher regulations, tougher climate regulation, destruction of coal , oil, nuclear energy, medicare for all, social security for all, open borders for any country to come here, more regulations from the united nations, gun confiscation, gun taxes on what they let you keep, luxury taxes, bring back the death tax, add to the supreme court judges, make DC a state, make puerto rico a state, and make somalia a state. Add more democrat senators and representatives. Defund the police. Calapse of the stock market and businesses going back overseas. This will just be biden's 2nd day. I am sure I missed some of what they want to do because harris has her own agenda too. Then there are the other erratic democrats.

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Can some one justify any democrat in government or anyone who wants communism?

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Originally Posted by mathman
It's not just media. These days it only takes a few keystrokes to shut down your life.


Leadership:

1. All states that voted for Trump should immediately declare and put into law that they are 2A Sanctuary States and will follow the Constitution as written.

That’s a beginning.
They'd have to ignore/repeal every gun law on the books. Never happen. Even 99% of conservatives wouldn't be able to handle/condone just anybody having access to and the unfettered right to bear/carry whatever gun they want.



Blackheart, I can see what you’ve said applying in a state like New York but do recall that many states ignored federal laws, thumbing their noses at the feds as it concerns immigration, Sanctuary cities, Sanctuary States and dope laws.

The precedents have been well established.

Those of us who live in solidly Red States like I do already have those laws of protection on the books.

It would all depend upon your locale.
So you think every conservative in your state would be fine with no gun laws ? No paperwork to fill out, no background check, order a gun and have it delivered to your door, no restrictions on who can carry where, suppressors, SBR's, sawed off shotguns and full auto for all ? You're living in fantasy land if you do.


That’s not at all what I said or even implied.

The fantasy land that you speak of is in New York.

Try again and with less diversions.
No diversions. There are no constitutionally legitimate gun laws that I'm aware of. "The right of the people" and "shall not be infringed" are absolute with no exceptions. Any law or regulation is an infringement. Therefore, those red Trump states that you said should "declare and put into law that they are 2A sanctuaries and will follow the constitution as written" would have to repeal/ignore all gun laws currently on the books. So to wrap this up, that is exactly what you said and implied.


Louisiana doesn’t have to repeal any single law at all Blackheart.

Now, your state of New York is a totally different ball of wax as is most northern coastal states.

Put another way, it’s too late for you guys. Period.


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When you realize that you are old and are being replaced by people who do not share your values, it begins to be obvious why the country we loved does not exist.

We know from lessons of history that the "new" agenda will not ever work and it is just a disguised play for total power and control. Too many of "We the People" are ignorant of history and cannot think for themselves and have been brainwashed by years of ever increasing socialism.. High tech and a media controlled by socialists has increased the pace of the process. We know this is true because we are old and have witnessed depressions, and wars and propaganda.

And to top it all off, how can there be a "We the People" when our votes are irrelevant?

History tells us that this country was founded by a small percentage of its occupiers who risked everything. The struggle for freedom was aided by great sacrifice, strong moral leadership, timely allies, and good luck. It would be hard to repeat in today's world of surveillance cameras and a government swamp determined to retain power.


To fix the few flaws and omissions of the founding structure that got us to this point would be a monumental effort in a country so divided.

It would be worth the effort and risk because the alternative is serfdom.
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The alternative at this stage of the game is very simple.

Balkanization.


Try it. Commies have never in their bloody history accepted a partial victory. Piles of bones all over the globe bear mute testimony to this fact. Balkanization is a pipe dream.

Only a beta male could possibly dream of ceding territory and treasure of this nation to people who are diametrically opposed to us and our way of life. This land is ours, it was gained through vast amounts of blood and effort, and to think of ceding portions of it to communists so that we can put off a fight is repugnant and a slap in the face to all the men and women who have given everything to make America what it is. Whether you like it or not, it is all or nothing. I feel that way, and believe there are many more like me, and those who oppose us all feel that way. The cuck contingent will be forced to pick a side, in spite of their squeamishness.



Wolf, listen up.

Tell that scchitt to California, Oregon, Washington, New York, Massachusetts, New Jersey, Arizona, New Mexico,,,,,there’s more.

You’re living in a Fuggin dream world dude. Wake the f’k up and look all around you.


No need to listen up. Heard all your bleating about giving the commies a place of their own on American soil already.

I talk to folks all over the place. Customers, suppliers, realtors, folks at church. and people all over the country I have traveled to meet because we had things in common. I read more than I talk. I am not hiding under a rock. How about you? You looking beyond the guys at your low-T club? Beyond West, W. Fla. Republic? Who are you talking to that thinks giving the commies their own piece of America is the way to go? What gave you the idea you know it all, and that I need to look around? What makes you think you know how people think in the Ozarks, the Appalachians, the Rockies, and the prairies and deserts? Coffee in the morning with the other retirees doesn’t count.

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