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CAS: There may be better long-range TARGET bullets today than then 160-gr Gameking, but the topic is antelope hunting, and the alternative bullets suggested were the 120-gr Nosler BT and the TSX.

southtexas: Muzzle exit speed is all you need to compute energy and the drop below the horizontal bore line.

You also need one dimension of direction, elevation, to compute rise above and fall below the bore line and sight line for your choice of a target zero range.

If I were trying to impress physicists, I might be more precise.

If I am trying to make point about hunting ballistics, I try to discuss it in terms most people understand.

If I am being harassed by people who don't know enough to know how little they know, I really don't care if they can't follow the explanation.

So wait, which is it, should we just stick to discussing hunting bullets, or are you going to start with the tales of the 160gr GK out of the 7x57 setting competition records?

You're back into that jackrabbit mode again. Slow down, Skippy, you're confusing yourself.

The FACT that the Gameking beat all the .308 match bullets in various matches for a decade is evidence that this HUNTING bullet is a superior long-range bullet, period - accurate, wind-resistant, and predictable - contrary to the assertions of those who insisted otherwise. That is not a "tale"; the NRA record books contain the places and dates.

But I had some people tell me I was an idiot for saying the .308 168-gr Matchking was a good long-range deer bullet. I guess our military snipers need you folks to set them straight, too.

Skippy, slow down. Now we are talking about sniper bullets? Crap, just one post ago we were talking about hunting bullets, then target bullets, now you changed the topic again to sniper bullets?

For the love of Pete, Man. try and stay on topic!

Reading back, no one posted that the GK wasn't accurate, wind resistant, or predictable, they just pointed out that the difference in wind drift over hunting ranges was negligible. For the luxury of a whopping 1.5" difference in drift at 400 yards, you got to pay a price in increased recoil and more drop. not much of a trade, IMO. Again, had you EVER fired a shot, you would know such things. Magazines and internet articles don't normally point out the intricacies that can be observed from just jerking the trigger a few times.

So, getting back on topic, if the sole reason that the 160gr GameKing is, as you say, "a superior long-range bullet" because it is "accurate, wind-resistant, and predictable", then in order to be intellectually honest, you must also argue that the bullets I listed are in fact superior to the GameKing.

You obviously haven't been too successful with impressing ANYONE, physicists or otherwise, and you are embarrassing us everyday engineers. Sometimes it's best just to shut up and go away. But I do understand that you have other motives.

Yes, I would have to say if you can't get above 2700 fps it might make sense to go with a lighter bullet. The 160's are probably ideal in the 280 Rem. and the 7 Mags, but maybe a little heavy for the little 7/08. I think if that was the case I would go with either a 140 or 150 grain, probably in the Nosler Ballistic Tip. But I don't think it makes sense to go lighter than 140 in a 7mm. (Barnes TSX might be an exception though)

I'm thinking that this is a great excuse to build a 280AI to solve the problem for good. (As if I needed another excuse, or another rifle.....).

Never shot a critter, personally, with a 7-08, nor a 'lope. Never claimed to, either.

Whacked stuff with a 7x57, and much other stuff, though. BT/DT with pards who have sluiced critters via the 7-08.

Pic can and will prove as necessary.

Simply stated, I hunt, I kill schit, I can prove it. You don't, won't, or can't.

Your choice as to the latter options.

Put up; shut up.

That's about where it stands.

southtexas: The comprehension problem is that you are not an engineer or a physicist.

Nimrod: Since you didn't put up, will you please shut up?

At the risk of stirring up painful memories for TSX worshippers, see the suggestion in my original post about also trying the 154-gr SST at expected hunting ranges and wind.

yes, I am.

It is curious that you persist in making declarative statements when you have no data. This tendency results in your often being incorrect and losing even more credibility.

So, what kind of physicist or engineer are you, that you cannot discuss basic concepts of ballistics, scalars, and vectors?

the kind that knows that speed is not a dimension.

Wrong, southtexas. The answer is you are not qualified to critique engineering calculations.

What the hell makes you qualified to say southtexas ain't quailified?

And upon exactly what data are you basing your opinion that I am not qualified?

dude...

Just a couple dead critters, that I've smoked:



More dead critters as I get some old pics scanned in. Or, I can have a couple fellas here that I've hunted with chime in.

Your turn.....

Comprende', compadre'?

I'll see your two dead chucks (although mine are both headless!)... and raise you a coyote with a big a$$ bullet hole (yeah buddy... that's the entrance!)

Did you snag one of those LS Fireballs VA?