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This thread inspired me to give Scenars a try on game this year. I'd never used them. I had Montana Antelope and Mule Deer B tags, used the .308 Win, 155 Scenar at 2808 MV for the deer and the 6.5 CM, 139 Scenar, 2818 MV for the pronghorn. No complaints. 350 yards for the Pronghorn, hit low in the chest, took a step or two and fell. 118 yards for the mulie doe. Facing almost directly at me with her lower chest covered by brush. Centered the spine at the base of the neck. Exit hole in the picture. DRT. I think I will be using these more. Both rifles shoot them sub MOA. Cheers, Rex
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Kicking myself for not grabbing some loaded 155s for my .308. Now all I find are 168-175+ gr weight. Also don’t have loading gear anymore. Good friend had mountains if supplies from years of competing so I loaded at his place and dumped my gear. Moved many states away now. I didn’t mind paying for preloaded either but short supply and sky high prices at Midway or others showing stock.
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My 6.5 Creed adores the Scenar
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Does anyone use the factory loaded Lapua ammunition or is everything hand loaded? I bought two 50-round boxes of factory loaded 308 155s a couple of years ago. They had a great sale price and in my mind provided me with inexpensive Lapua brass. I loaded them into my Bergara Premier Mountain rifle and that particular combination of rifle and ammo is the most accurate I have ever used. I have attempted to duplicate those factory loads, as best I could, using my chronograph. I've come very close and am quite satisfied with my results. I broke my old reliable & faithful 308 out of its decades long storage after reading Pat's Scenar threads and decided to get some Varget, 155 Scenar's & Lapua brass. As Bob in NH always said, "I've got a lifetime supply." Took these components to the range and did something I've never tried. Arbitrarily I loaded charges into the cases without running them thru the sizing die first. Virgin cases, right out of the box, produced one hole groups right off the bat. I was only partially suprised. I bumped the powder charge up to 48.5 gr's & simply push the bullets down until they won't go any deeper. This creates an ever changing seating depth. With everything about this load being outside of normal loading rules it puts round after round into the same ragged hole. This load runs the 155's at 2885 fps. Ultimatley, I think the velocity is unnnecessary for my hunting & will soon back that load down to just over 2800 fps average. Just enough to gain powder space for a repeatable bullet seating depth. I have yet to try any resized Lapua 1X fired in the gun. But, I will. Bottom line for me, this combination defies the norm. But, it works and I don't argue with it until it don't.
By the way, in case you missed it, Jeremiah was a bullfrog.
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This thread inspired me to give Scenars a try on game this year. I'd never used them. I had Montana Antelope and Mule Deer B tags, used the .308 Win, 155 Scenar at 2808 MV for the deer and the 6.5 CM, 139 Scenar, 2818 MV for the pronghorn. No complaints. 350 yards for the Pronghorn, hit low in the chest, took a step or two and fell. 118 yards for the mulie doe. Facing almost directly at me with her lower chest covered by brush. Centered the spine at the base of the neck. Exit hole in the picture. DRT.
I think I will be using these more. Both rifles shoot them sub MOA.
Cheers, Rex Seems way too simple, doesn't it?
Last edited by Reloder28; 11/07/21.
By the way, in case you missed it, Jeremiah was a bullfrog.
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Fantastic, guys! Congrats on this year's harvests. I actually found a load w/ Varget and 155 Scenars that my insanely-picky 30-06 loves, and they're cooking ~2900fps. I have high hopes for that to take something yet this year. To complicate things, I also found a load w/ h1000 and 180gr Scenars in my 7mm Rem at 2925 that I want to try, as well.
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Local shop was closing out "oddball ammo" and I got some loaded 6.5x55mm 139g 50 round 'club match ?' boxes for the usual brass price.
At 2,620 fps it's a little slower than my loads, but as expected it shoots really well.
Now I am thinking about using these this year for whitetails...
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This thread inspired me to give Scenars a try on game this year. I'd never used them. I had Montana Antelope and Mule Deer B tags, used the .308 Win, 155 Scenar at 2808 MV for the deer and the 6.5 CM, 139 Scenar, 2818 MV for the pronghorn. No complaints. 350 yards for the Pronghorn, hit low in the chest, took a step or two and fell. 118 yards for the mulie doe. Facing almost directly at me with her lower chest covered by brush. Centered the spine at the base of the neck. Exit hole in the picture. DRT.
I think I will be using these more. Both rifles shoot them sub MOA.
Cheers, Rex Seems way too simple, doesn't it? Yes, but in fairness neither of my two shots presented any level of challenge to the bullet. I'm interested in keeping on using them to see what else I may learn.
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Found this guy yesterday. 123gr Scenar from a 256 Newton. Shot was 347 yards and I was shooting from the top of the ridge down. Second pic shows the exit hole.
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Nice shot, nice buck, and a heck of a rifle. I just got a 1950's FN Mauser barreled to the .256 Newton and am hoping to use it next year.
How did your buck react to that shot?
Thanks, Rex
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Thank you! The rifle is a first model Newton. The buck “plowed” forward for about 20 yards at the shot but both front shoulders were toast.
I usually use 270 win brass to form the cases. On some brands of brass it was necessary to ream the or turn the necks after necking them down. I’ve shot these 123gr bullets and 140gr partitions and both shoot pretty well. H4831 or IMR 4350 seems to work well.
Good luck with your new rifle. You’ll enjoy it.
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elk, love to see those old Newtons.. The Weatherby of his time.. I would like to see the .30 with some more dead elk.. Hope you have an awesome fall..
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CO OTC bull, 430 yards, 139 Scenar out of my Shaen (Shooter71) built 6.5 PRC. High shoulder=DRT
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Nice Josh. Did the bullet exit?
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Nice Josh. Did the bullet exit? Thanks Brandon... No exit on this one.
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Scenars are the only bullets we have used for the last 6-7 years - mainly 139s in the 6.5, and 150s out of the 7 rem mag. Looking at my notes - me, my family, and friends that have used my rifles, have harvested 26 animals with scenars. (Mule Deer, Elk, Antelope, Black Bear, and 1 cow moose) Only 1 animal needed a second shot and none had to track over 40 yards. Scenars are absolute bone crushers. We have never recovered a bullet cause they usually always exit - even thru bone... Here are a couple more from this year - 150, out of the 7 rem mag at 3150 FPS... Deer was shot at 298 directly going away. Bullet hit the upper 1/3 of the spine near the base of the neck and the deer was dead before his feet hit the ground - this bullet did not exit - drove thru the spine and grenaded. Elk was shot by my son. Distance was 468 yards as she was bedded. Bullet hit the leg shoulder bone, drove tru and exited. Shrapnel pieces exploded the heart. At impact she made it half way up and fell over stone dead. I would not hesitate to use this 7mag/150 scenar combo on anything I will ever hunt.
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Scenars are the only bullets we have used for the last 6-7 years - mainly 139s in the 6.5, and 150s out of the 7 rem mag. Looking at my notes - me, my family, and friends that have used my rifles, have harvested 26 animals with scenars. (Mule Deer, Elk, Antelope, Black Bear, and 1 cow moose) Only 1 animal needed a second shot and none had to track over 40 yards. Scenars are absolute bone crushers. We have never recovered a bullet cause they usually always exit - even thru bone... That right there is a quality testimony...
“Perfection is Achieved Not When There Is Nothing More to Add, But When There Is Nothing Left to Take Away” Antoine de Saint-Exupery
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elk, love to see those old Newtons.. The Weatherby of his time.. I would like to see the .30 with some more dead elk.. Hope you have an awesome fall.. Thank you! I’ve gotten pretty lucky during archery season that last few years and haven’t had to break out the 30. 😎 I did use it to fill my doe tag last year just to see if it still works.
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