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I have a Remington Classic Model 700 in 35 Whelen. I've got a load that pushes a 225-grain bullet nearly 2,700 fps but I'm looking for one that will push a 200-grain Hornady RN to about 35 Remington speeds for small deer within 100 yards. Available powders include Reloader 17, Reloader 19, IMR 4198, H4895, IMR 4320, IMR 4064, and Ramshot TAC.

Thoughts?

Thanks,


Okie John

Load a slow burning powder like H4350 I wouldn't think that it would make high velocity

I would start with 4895 since you can use reduced loads with safety.


https://www.handloadermagazine.com/reduced-rifle-loads

If you have a Lyman handbook you can look at the 4198 loads for 200 grain class cast bullets.

I use 4198 to push 200's at 2100. GD

Yep!!! This is the "ONLY" powder on the list I would use to do a reduced load! Reducing loads to much with the wrong powders is extremely dangerous and can cause an "unstable" problem essentially building a bomb



Trystan

This is a bad idea.

I'd be comfortable with the reduced-load option on H4895 or working off the cast load data with a 4198 powder. I've done both with 308-sized cases. If you aren't shooting past 175yds or so very often, a 200gr/2100fps load is plenty potent on a whitetail. Zero it about 1.5" high at 100yds and get after it, same as a .35Rem levergun.

The pig in my avatar fell to a reduced load in a .35 Whelen (225gr with RL10x book load). I wouldn't mind trying to drop it down another notch on the power factor. Should be more fun to shoot and plenty deadly.

H4895 is your huckleberry. I have also used Accurate 5744 and Trail Boss.

Have used it many times for reduced loads in 22-250, 270 WCF, and 338-06. Probably some I have forgot.

I know you want to duplicate 35 R ballistics, but do not overlook just using starting powder charges. Velocity may be a little higher than you want, but starting loads can be very pleasant to shoot and accurate too..

FYI, 4198 is well known as a powder suitable for reduced loads.

Why?

Just knock down book loads by 10%. Why do this in the first place?

I loaded H4350 from 57 grains to 60 in one grain increments. 2444 FPS with 57 grains, 58 2452 FPS, 59 grains 2533 FPS and 60 grains 2531 FPS
All from 28" barrel

H4350 is already too slow a powder for the .35 Whelen, IMO.
The slowest powder Hodgdon recommends is Varget and the starting load is still getting 2508fps. No where near the OP's quest for a .35 Rem.
Unless I'm all washed up, for reduced loads, you generally want faster burn rates. Am I wrong?

Several reasons.

First, because I'll be hunting very small deer at relatively short range and I don't need the fire-breathing loads that I've already developed for elk and bear.

Second, because I really enjoy how this this particular rifle has come together and I want to shoot it more but with less recoil. This matters because the shots on this hunt are all offhand and very quick, so I need to shoot a lot to get ready. Yes, I'll dry-fire but I want a lighter load for live-fire training.

Third, because components are scarce and I want to conserve the more broadly-applicable powders that I have on hand and that work best for other cartridges that I like.

Finally, because I just want to.


Okie John

H4350 is too slow fir top velocity

A slow powder that fills the case will also slow velocity.. look at my post above with H4350 and 200 grain Hornaday

Your lowest load is 400fps over what a .35 Rem would be doing with a 200. I don't think he'll loose that going from you're 28" barrel to the classics 22".
Besides, H4350 wasn't one of the powders he said was on hand.
I still think a dose of fast rate powder is better for reduced loads, but then again, I'm not a gunwriter.

I'm also thinking about running a pistol bullet over a shotgun powder like Unique or 2400. Initial tests got a 150-grain bullet going 1,450-ish with good groups, but POI was over a foot low at 100.


Okie John

I like the idea of a nice whelen downloaded to 35 remington speeds for hunting in the timber for deer. Gives some more flexibility to take a nice whelen hunting more and I like the bigger hole without ruining a lot of meat.