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Originally Posted by Ramblin_Razorback
What is the mariner's license mentioned? Is that a Coast Guard license for vessels above a certain size/rating, or is that required in Alaska to operate any boat with an engine?

A license is required for commercial activity (guiding), just as Paul describes, a six pack is the minimum.

Key word is 'navigable waters', on inland lakes and rivers no coast guard licensing is required.

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Originally Posted by WMR
That seems like a reasonable sentence in this type of case. Somebody could have got killed, but nobody did. The court says she was in the the wrong, fines her 10k, yanks her license and puts her on probation. Saves the expense of a trial; the outcome of which is never certain. Being on probation gives her incentive to stay out of trouble going forward. I’d call that justice.

Suspect she can afford it and its just a slap on the wrist, maybe it will deter her from acting out, but its doubtful. If the flight operator received no fine / penalty then likely he will continue, if a actual covenant had any meaning then he would at least get scolded... maybe he has?

What will she do next time? Stay tuned....!


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A trial would have brought out the details, like what was going on before video started rolling, any past history between the pilot and captain, etc.


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The Judge should have included a year of weekly Anger Management classes, would've sent her the msg, at least a little bit...... that is one mean old Liberal byatch


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Originally Posted by JeffA
Key word is 'navigable waters', on inland lakes and rivers no coast guard licensing is required.
The Kenai River guides still need a CG license to take people fishing on the river. There is a Western Rivers endorsement for this. I'm not sure if a CG license is required for non-power vessels (drift boats), but it's definitely required for power boats.

The Coast Guard requires a special endorsement for the Great Lakes, as well. My Near Coastal license is no good for the Great Lakes. I would need a certain number of documented days (and maybe another exam?) on the Great Lakes to earn the endorsement.


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NAVIGABLE WATERS OF THE UNITED STATES BY DEFINITION UNDER 33 CFR 2.36(A)(1) OR (2):
These waters include the territorial seas of the United States and all internal waters of the United States that are subject to tidal influence......

.......and/or are presently used, or have been used in the past, or may be susceptible for use to transport interstate or foreign commerce.


When guiding in the Tikchik Lakes region of Southwest Alaska, all guides that worked the Nushagak River were required to have a current license (6-Pack).

We all took a two day course in Anchorage and were issued our license but were told it wasn't necessary for those strictly working inland waters..

As the description states.

Everything I read other than the description for 'navigable waters' is contrary to what we were told.

https://www.alaskawatersconsulting.net/

It'd be interesting for me to hear others opinions on the matter.

It's confusing at best.

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Originally Posted by JeffA
NAVIGABLE WATERS OF THE UNITED STATES BY DEFINITION UNDER 33 CFR 2.36(A)(1) OR (2):
These waters include the territorial seas of the United States and all internal waters of the United States that are subject to tidal influence......

.......and/or are presently used, or have been used in the past, or may be susceptible for use to transport interstate or foreign commerce.


When guiding in the Tikchik Lakes region of Southwest Alaska, all guides that worked the Nushagak River were required to have a current license (6-Pack).

We all took a two day course in Anchorage and were issued our license but were told it wasn't necessary for those strictly working inland waters..

As the description states.

Everything I read other than the description for 'navigable waters' is contrary to what we were told.

https://www.alaskawatersconsulting.net/

It'd be interesting for me to hear others opinions on the matter.

It's confusing at best.

This was a big deal in 1980 when the ANILCA act was established. The state rivers were researched to determine if they were navigated at some point by the natives.

Mostly a bunch of horse schit, but the natives decided the ground under the rivers had no value and did not claim it, worked out good for us white boys as it allowed access to mean high water. I think they could claim X amount of acres and saw no value in the underlaying land, might I see greed was the driver.


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my bet is its not over tell she is handcuffed and put in jail .


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Losing her USCG license might be the biggest blow to her out of all of this.

The Danny J is not operated under a 'six-pack' license. She must take a couple dozen passengers or more.

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Originally Posted by AKislander
Losing her USCG license might be the biggest blow to her out of all of this.

The Danny J is not operated under a 'six-pack' license. She must take a couple dozen passengers or more.
Right.
That’s what I’m saying if she was part of running the water taxi. Not in the incident, but that may have been the license she had. I don’t know.


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Originally Posted by AKislander
Losing her USCG license might be the biggest blow to her out of all of this.

The Danny J is not operated under a 'six-pack' license. She must take a couple dozen passengers or more.
Right.
That’s what I’m saying if she was part of running the water taxi. Not in the incident, but that may have been the license she had. I don’t know.

She is an owner of the water taxi company and the vessel Danny J. I know she used to run the ferry, but don't know if she had scaled back (she's about 70 yo). Given the size of the vessel, I suspect she has a 50 or 100 ton Master's license.

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