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Just curious . I was just brainstorming (dangerous <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />) and I've always entertained the notion of a 44Mag carbine since I have a couple 44 revolvers. Then it hit me that the 444 Marlin is essentially a longer .44Mag case.
If any of you 444 shooters have tried it, I would be curious to hear your results as far as feeding, accuracy went.
MM
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Why not just get a Marlin 1894 Carbine or 1894P in 44Mag- why reinvent the wheel???
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Although the rim diameter is the same on the 444 as the 44 Mag the head diameter and rim thickness are not. It is also too far (.94") for the bullet to travel essentially not fully supported which could cause the bullet to engage the rifling at an angle causing undue wear to the chamber throat. So it is not a good idea. If done a lot it will damage the gun. Could be considered in a pinch, where necessity outweighs the potential damage.
44 Magnum
.060" rim thickness
.457" head diameter
.514" rim diameter
444 Marlin
.063" rim thickness
.471" head diameter
.514" rim diameter
Last edited by jackfish; 07/18/03.
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A bit of purely anecdotal information:
I am told by some of the regulars that a couple of young savants showed up at our range one day with a .444 Marlin rifle of some description, and proceeded to fire a few rounds. The shots produced tremendous fireballs, earsplitting reports, and difficult extraction. Cases were bulged, and accuracy was non-existent. Turns out they didn't seem to know the difference between ".44 Magnum" and ".444 Marlin" -- thought they were pretty much one and the same. Since "the bullets went in the gun ok", they went ahead and touched her off. Not great results.
If something large and angry were offering to rearrange my body parts, and I had an empty .444 and a broken .44 Mag -- I would likely give this combination a close-range, last-ditch effort. Otherwise, it doesn't seem to be a very good idea.
"The more you run over a dead cat, the flatter it gets."
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Thanks for the info guys, Doesn't sound like a good venture.
MM
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No you can not! It is not safe. If you handload and want 44 mag equivelant loads consult the Lyman 47 edition Handloading manual and use reduced loads with pistol powders (Unique, red dot etc.) My loads for my 444 were 200 gr at 1200 fps. Accurate and fun!
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