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#1784169 - 11/07/07 .25 CAL. 120 GR. HORNADY HP EXPANSION ON GAME
Ten_Sleep Offline
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This hunting season I used, for the first time, this bullet on game and killed three deer with it. Overall, performance was good, but on the last animal taken (a large mule deer doe) the performance was a bit of a surprise.

I was using this bullet in a .25/06 at a muzzle velocity of 3000 fps, and the deer was hit from broadside just behind the shoulder at about 225 yards. The bullet went in between ribs and showed NO expansion on the inside wall of the rib cage where it entered; however, when it impacted the lungs and liver the expansion was about what you would expect and these organs were demolished. The exit hole was good but not excessive with a diameter of about 1.25".

To me, this performance seemed to be very much like that of the Berger VLD's that Mule Deer has described in his writings.

What do some of you think? Is this a common occurrence with other HP's. Have any of you had a similar experience with this bullet?

Thank you,

M. Bell







Edited by Ten_Sleep (11/07/07)
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#1784382 - 11/07/07 Re: .25 CAL. 120 GR. HP EXPANSION ON GAME [Re: Ten_Sleep]
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If you're refering to the 25 cal Sierra 120gr HPBT, sounds like it performed as advertised! ;\)
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#1784607 - 11/07/07 Re: .25 CAL. 120 GR. HORNADY HP EXPANSION ON GAME [Re: DesertSandman]
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Sandman,

Sorry to be so spaced-out and stupid! Now you know it was not a Sierra. Perhaps you've had some experience with the Hornady.

Thanks for setting me straight,

M. Bell
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#1784799 - 11/07/07 Re: .25 CAL. 120 GR. HORNADY HP EXPANSION ON GAME [Re: Ten_Sleep]
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How do you know the bullet expanded at all if it wasn't recovered?
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#1784915 - 11/07/07 Re: .25 CAL. 120 GR. HORNADY HP EXPANSION ON GAME [Re: Middlefork_Miner]
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Miner,

If the bullet had not expanded, I don't think the extensive damage to lungs and liver would have occurred, and besides the exit hole was at least 1.25" in diameter. Also, the deer was down within 10 yards of where she was standing when shot. Based on these factors, I have to assume the bullet did indeed expand.

Thanks for your query and intrest,

M. Bell
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#1784951 - 11/07/07 Re: .25 CAL. 120 GR. HORNADY HP EXPANSION ON GAME [Re: Ten_Sleep]
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Guess I'm a little confused regarding Sandman's comments. The bullet was the Hornady HP and not the Sierra HPBT, correct? Both bullets are excellent IME, BTW.

If I understand correctly, the bullet entered the chest wall without contacting a rib, so there would not be much resistance there to initiate expansion (skin plus a little muscle tissue?). But there was plenty of damage to the internal organs and the exit wound indicate reasonable expansion. Sounds like good performance to me.

FWIW, I did read on some internet forum that if the hollowpoint on the Hornady is dinged up, the bullet can pencil through. Haven't ever seen that myself, but I do tend to look at the points of the bullets before I load them to go hunting.

Can you describe the performance of the Hornady's on the other deer? thanks

BTW: there must be a good story regarding the source of the name of Ten Sleep, WY???


Edited by southtexas (11/07/07)

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#1784955 - 11/07/07 Re: .25 CAL. 120 GR. HORNADY HP EXPANSION ON GAME [Re: Ten_Sleep]
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Normally I use the Sierra but have used the Hornady in one 25/06 without any problems. As long as they put game down as you describe, I would continue to use the bullet. I seem to remember reading that the bullet was developed so Joyce Hornady could use her 25cal to hunt elk, but that is just from memory and not quoteable.Rick.

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#1785110 - 11/07/07 Re: .25 CAL. 120 GR. HORNADY HP EXPANSION ON GAME [Re: Ten_Sleep]
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Ten_Sleep,
Your not stupid, you just omitted the brand of bullet. ;\)
Sorry I've no personal experience with the Hornady version of 25 cal 120gr hpbt, I use the Sierra.

Hornady followed Sierra's lead by producing these Hollow Point Hunting bullets with a heavier/stouter jacket, much like the HPBT GameKing.

P.S.
Sounds like the hunting has been good for you in the Worland/Ten Sleep area.
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#1785185 - 11/07/07 Re: .25 CAL. 120 GR. HORNADY HP EXPANSION ON GAME [Re: Ten_Sleep]
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re: 120 Gr Hornady. I shot 3 deer total with the bullet in a 25-06 and a full dose of RL 22. None over 110 lbs. First 2, bullet hit chest slightly quartering and expanded immediately on near chest wall, did extensive damage internally and exited with maybe inch, inch and a half hole. Third deer I shouldn't have shot at but did. Had just missed a doe by hitting an unseen limb and a small spike about 80 lbs went trotting thru my shooting lane quartering sharp away about 100 yds. Swung crosshairs thru and it looked so good the trigger got pulled before I realized it. Bullet unfortunately smacked him square in the hip joint. When he finally got up another thru the chest finished it. But the bullet in the hip had an entry hole the size of a silver dollar (blowback I suppose) and neither bullet nor bone penetrated the body cavity. Everything stopped in the ham and I only found parts & pieces of jacket/lead. After that I started loading 100 gr. Barnes and if I load anymore I'm going to the 115 gr. FWIW.
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#1785406 - 11/07/07 Re: .25 CAL. 120 GR. HORNADY HP EXPANSION ON GAME [Re: ricksmith]
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 Originally Posted By: ricksmith
Normally I use the Sierra but have used the Hornady in one 25/06 without any problems. As long as they put game down as you describe, I would continue to use the bullet. I seem to remember reading that the bullet was developed so Joyce Hornady could use her 25cal to hunt elk, but that is just from memory and not quoteable.Rick.


Actually the Hornady 120 Gr HP was developed for the 257 Weatherby for velocitys in the 3300FPS which would make it fine for the 25-06.

My T/C pro hunter 25-06 with 28" barrel shoots it at 3094. \:\)

Actually Joyce Hornady was the founder of Hornady and a "man"
who was accidently killed in a plane crash flying into New Orleans for the 1981 SHOTSHOW. His plane crashed into Lake Ponchatrain (sp.) along with several other Hornady people on board.

Doc



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Edited by Doctor_Encore (11/07/07)

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#1786259 - 11/08/07 Re: .25 CAL. 120 GR. HORNADY HP EXPANSION ON GAME [Re: doctor_Encore]
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I used this bullet a lot in the .257 Weatherby. It is a very good game bullet. There isn't much I would not trust it on in the US.

AGW
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#1786560 - 11/08/07 Re: .25 CAL. 120 GR. HORNADY HP EXPANSION ON GAME [Re: southtexas]
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S. Texas,

Based on what I have picked up on this thread and after re-evaluating my own limited experience with this bullet, I really think the bullet is fine for the way I am using it, but just a bit stouter than I assumed it would be.

As far as the other two deer go, only one is pertinent because the other was a close range neck shot. The one worth noting was hit high in the left shoulder as she stood somewhat facing me at a distance of about 100 yards. The bullet broke this shoulder as well as the spine and exited the right rib cage without leaving an excessive exit hole. Like I said, it is probably a bit tougher than I expected.

Our little town (pop. 311) is located at the confluence of two creeks that, in time past, was used by Indians of various tribes as a temporary camp. This camp was halfway between two more permanent large camps -- one near what is now Casper on the Platt River and the other on the Clark's Fork of the Yellowstone River in what is now south-central Montana. The distance to either of these larger camps from the smaller temporary camping place was referred to by the Indians as "ten sleeps" -- the number of "sleeps" it took to make the journey either way. Probably, it was an eleven day trip that required "ten sleeps." Hope I explained this clearly enough to make it understandable!

Thanks for the interesting response and good insght,

M. Bell
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#1786599 - 11/08/07 Re: .25 CAL. 120 GR. HORNADY HP EXPANSION ON GAME [Re: AussieGunWriter]
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Aussie,

Thanks for the info concerning this bullet being used in the .257 Weatherby. Doctor Encore also pointed this out, and previously I was not aware this was the case. Sounds like it should hold up fine on most anything I will hunt here in Wyoming. It's good to hear from someone who has had a lot of experience with the subject at hand.

Thanks again,

M. Bell
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#1791267 - 11/10/07 Re: .25 CAL. 120 GR. HORNADY HP EXPANSION ON GAME [Re: Ten_Sleep]
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 Originally Posted By: Ten_Sleep
Aussie,

Thanks for the info concerning this bullet being used in the .257 Weatherby. Doctor Encore also pointed this out, and previously I was not aware this was the case. Sounds like it should hold up fine on most anything I will hunt here in Wyoming. It's good to hear from someone who has had a lot of experience with the subject at hand.

Thanks again,

M. Bell


Also tried the 90gn HBBT Sierra and found it to be anything but a varmint bullet and it too, shot and killed well in the Wby case. I know we are premium bullet mad these days, but some of the standards perform very well and offer more shooting for for the money. Practice makes for improvement in bullet placement and rifle control, which is why the cup and cores still have a place.

AGW
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#1793176 - 11/12/07 Re: .25 CAL. 120 GR. HORNADY HP EXPANSION ON GAME [Re: Ten_Sleep]
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TS: Thanks for your reply. Your results are similar to mine. Just took an average (read small) Hill Country doe this morning. Took her quartering toward me at about 90 yards. 257AI, MV at about 3050. Bullet broke her shoulder, chest cavity was liquid, and there was a 2" exit hole behind the ribs. Needless to say, she dropped like an old rag. I think it's a good bullet...premium performance at cup-n-core price.

BTW, thanks for the history lesson on your town's name. Sounds like what I expected. I bet it's a great place to live!!

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#1796826 - 11/13/07 Re: .25 CAL. 120 GR. HORNADY HP EXPANSION ON GAME [Re: southtexas]
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S. Texas,

Thank you! Because of the really pertinent information supplied by you, AGW and the others who posted on this thread, I learned a great deal about a bullet I was trying on game for the first time. You can be sure I will be using it on more game in the future.

Thanks again,

M. Bell
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#1796867 - 11/13/07 Re: .25 CAL. 120 GR. HORNADY HP EXPANSION ON GAME [Re: AussieGunWriter]
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AGW,

I also have found the 90 grain Sierra to be a very tough hollow-point. I have shot it quite a bit in my custom .250 Savage at about 3050 fps. At this velocity, it does not expand quickly enough to be a viable varmint bullet, but it makes a really good load for pronghorns - I have killed several with this bullet loaded in this cartridge.

Thanks again for your very useful information,

M. Bell
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#1796868 - 11/13/07 Re: .25 CAL. 120 GR. HORNADY HP EXPANSION ON GAME [Re: Ten_Sleep]
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In a conversation I had with Hornady customer service guy a few years back, he related to me that the bullet was designed to hold up to elk hunting using the .257 Weatherby and .25-06. Once I get all the other projects out of the way, I am going to shoot these against the Sierra, TSX, and the NP looking for a heavy bullet load for my .25-06. Any one should be good for Wisconsin whitetail, even the 300 pounders we get up nort' and in the corn belt.

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#1797331 - 11/13/07 Re: .25 CAL. 120 GR. HORNADY HP EXPANSION ON GAME [Re: Fast_Ed]
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Excellent! I'll be looking forward to the results of your study. Can you throw the 120gr Speer Hot Core in the mix, as well?

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#1797450 - 11/13/07 Re: .25 CAL. 120 GR. HORNADY HP EXPANSION ON GAME [Re: Fast_Ed]
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Fast Ed,

Thank you for the further insight into usefulness of the 120 grain Hornady HP. I hope, that after you are through with your 25-06 heavy bullet test, you will post the results on this website. I, for one, would be most interested in what you find out.

At the present my "heavy bullet" 25-06 load is the 120 grain Nosler Partition, 51 grains of IMR4831, WLR primer and W-W case; this gives about 3000 fps. in my 23" barrel. I have killed several pronghorns and deer as well as one elk (big cow) with this load with good results and no problems. However, when I consider the present cost of the Partitions, and in light of the fact that when the 120 grain Hornady is substituted for the Nosler in the above load, both loads have the same practical point of impact out to 300 yards, I have no doubt I will use the Hornady a great deal in the future.

Thanks again for the good info,

M. Bell



Edited by Ten_Sleep (11/13/07)
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#1804743 - 11/17/07 Re: .25 CAL. 120 GR. HORNADY HP EXPANSION ON GAME [Re: doctor_Encore]
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Realizing now I refered to Joyce Hornady as a female and not remembering where I got the idea of using the bullet for Elk, I pulled out my volume II of Hornady's loading manual, dates back to the 70's."In 1971 Hornady introduced a new 25 cal 120 grain Hollow Point with the 25/06 principally in mind." page 135. From page 139 "The 1 in 12" twist used in Weatherby Mark V 257's will not stabilize the newest Hornady 25 caliber bullet, the 120gr. Hollow Point.
So Doc, I guess both of us had a foggy memory that day.Rick.

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#1804876 - 11/17/07 Re: .25 CAL. 120 GR. HORNADY HP EXPANSION ON GAME [Re: ricksmith]
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The 257 Weatherby twist was changed to a 1/10 twist and the 120 HP does just fine.

My info came from "Doug Derner" at Hornady but Doug is not old enough to have worked at Hornady in 1971.

Doc

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