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I will be looking at a 2008 Lund 1825 tiller / 90 Yamaha. Does anyone have one , or close to it for comments? It seems very clean on the pictures and asking $16,750 with tax. Does that seem ok??? Seems good to me, especially for a Lund. Salesman sais it looks almost new ( salesmen for ya) . If I dont like it, I think I could get all my money back in a few years..? Is there anyone out there with a Yamaha 90 or 75 ( same block).. Any info is nice.


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That by chance isn’t a Lund Alaskan with a tiller 90 Yamaha and a trailer is it? A neighbor up in Green Bay had that one for sale for 6K or best offer!


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No, it is up in NW Wisconsin. However, I am very interested in your neighbors boat , especially for $6,000. This one I am looking at is a Proguide. It is a little deeper and wider.


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Ihookem, that was in his driveway last year and it lasted exactly one day with that give away price on it. I’ve got all the boats I need, but I was the first guy that saw that one and stopped and he didn’t realize what he had for a high demand open boat. I called my boat buddies too on it, but they were into bigger lake boats or smaller fishing boat.


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People love their Lunds.... around here people always question a riveted boat and welded is preferred. I've only had welded hulls but have had buddies with riveted boats that leaked or at least wept a little.

Side note.... my family used to have cattle trucks..... on the aluminum trailers, rivets were HIGHLY preferred over welding.... the rivets allowed the trailer to flex a little and avoid cracking.... welded aluminum was so ridged that when empty the bouncing caused weld cracking. Long story short, I've always thought this was the reason welded boats have issues with the transom cracking, etc. It seems like if someone knew what they were doing, a combination of rivets in areas prone to flexing/stress and welds in areas prone to leaks would be the best of both worlds.

Anyways, Lunds are the Toyota tacomas of aluminum boats.... great resale and people love em.... I say buy it 🤘🏻

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That is a good observation about the wagons. I have a 32 yr. old Alumacraft V16. It is riveted and I have 1 that leaks about an ounce of water in about 5 minutes but only if I am on plane. I fixed it and lasted 5 yrs. with some caulk. I would go rivet cause I can fix them. A weld is a big price tag to fix.


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At 16k plus that seems a little hi? At the crazy time not long ago it was that. I’m seeing prices coming back a bit to reasonable.
If it’s super clean etc, go for it. How many hours on the motor? Will they warranty the motor for at least a year?

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Osky , those are good question. I also noticed prices coming down a bit and they are not selling so fast, so I am going to ask off $1,000, cause we are very likely going into a recession. The old man lived on the same lake as the marina. He died and it's in the estate. Likely, the money is just going to be split up among a million dollars , so , ,, A thousand off is reasonable for them to just get rid of it. They dont know the hrs, cause they are no ta Yamaha dealer. It is very clean, seems hardly used and likely wasnt if the owner died. The wife is going into a nursing home. The trailer is all but new , cause it was just used a few times a year. Has a tiller with steer assist a Hummingbird that was about $2200 , but is 12 yrs old. There is one hold back , it is a tiller , but I fish very good out of a tiller. The price does not seem to be reflecting that it is a tiller, they dont sell nearly as fast and perhaps I could knock them down $1,000 to go to the next repair, and there will be some cause it is 15 yrs. old.


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The pro guide is one of the nicer tiller boats out there. Really stable ride. The 90 should push it pretty well. My only concern would be how it was stored. If the decks got wet and stayed wet, you could have some bad wood or waterlogged foam. I would also tap on the transom to see if you hear any signs of transom rot. Brunswick had to redesign their transoms after 2016. The price seems right, given the market. Id ask to take it to a yamaha service center and get a diagnostic/compression check. Also, if the electronics are old, I’d do a complete re-rig with an i-pilot in at least 24v if not 36v, and a couple new graphs. I’ve grown to really like having one on the bow.

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Good idea on checking to see of the floors are solid. It was stored inside a canopy by the way it sounds and stored in a shed in winter,,, and winter in NW WIsc. is about 8 months for a person with a lake cabin.


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Biggest thing to worry about on that rig will the transom, trim the motor all the way up and grab the lower unit and yank up , watch for excessive flex when it drops.

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To the OP…
Remember as well you are looking at a boat that falls in the years Lund had transom issues. Those issues aren’t totally time on the water related. Expensive fix.
Secondly you mention the accessories. They are older and outdated, those don’t register much to me as far as sale valu.
Engine hours can be gotten from the motor with equipment the dealership should have on hand..
I bought a really nice Shorelander trailer this past fall for up to 19’ boats for just under 500.00. Used of course but that should give you an idea of valu on that part of the deal.
Anytime dealing with a dealership it’s likely higher priced than a private sale. They have to support the showroom and all else. I’d be thinking of a 10% decrease in what is being asked.
Just my personal thoughts. If you really want to check valu call your bank, give them the specifics, and ask them what they would loan you. It’s there business to be very close to right on as far as valu.

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Ya know Osky, those are good ideas. I didnt know Lunds had transom issues and glad you told me. I think 10% off the price is a good idea too.


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Originally Posted by ihookem
Ya know Osky, those are good ideas. I didnt know Lunds had transom issues and glad you told me. I think 10% off the price is a good idea too.

It’s where I would start anytime when dealing with a dealer. As said, I’d tell them they could remove those out dated accessories and sell them themselves, discounting that as well.
It may not work but it shows them your thinking forward and not distracted by the supposed shiney things. You can always go up, doesn’t work trying to go down after the fact.

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I suppose it depends on how north and west that NW WI. is? Anything north of Highway 8 is a pretty depressed area. Mid February with a snow storm coming might be a good time to offer a discounted price to get a bigger boat out of their inventory. With an estate sale, that boat might be on consignment to a dealer and the heirs might be interested in a fast sale.


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Windfall, the boat got sold yesterday. I thought I had till the weekend . It only had 125 hrs. on the outboard. I'm bummed about it. I do however, have my eye on an Alumacraft Competitor 18' 90 horse tiller. Sad part is, they want $26,000 for it, but only has 109 hrs on it. Its a 2015.


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I would look at tuffy's as well. Being locally made I would think you might find a deal or two, great boats. I've run my present 1 from the gulf to ft. Peck with 0 issues and the one before that was just as good.

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Yes, I see a Tuffy once in a while and actually want one.


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Originally Posted by ihookem
I will be looking at a 2008 Lund 1825 tiller / 90 Yamaha. Does anyone have one , or close to it for comments? It seems very clean on the pictures and asking $16,750 with tax. Does that seem ok??? Seems good to me, especially for a Lund. Salesman sais it looks almost new ( salesmen for ya) . If I dont like it, I think I could get all my money back in a few years..? Is there anyone out there with a Yamaha 90 or 75 ( same block).. Any info is nice.


Missed this until now, I have the 2008 1725 tiller with a 75 Yamaha. Love the boat and the motor, no problems. Watching prices I would not sell mine for less than 17,000

Always stored inside unless its on the water, so no transom issues, so far.

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Thanks Chris, I have also been considering 17' . Not sure I need 18 footer , but almost everyone sais a bigger boat would have been nice. It is so hard to find a decent boat now days that I have been considering settling for a 16' too. My1990 Alumacraft V16 / 1997 25 Merc has been flawless . Only one rivet leaks a little bit. The 4 bench seats however, are very hard to fish out of. Ya need to jump over benches just to get to the front to anchor, and I need to twist my back to handle the tiller . At 60 this spring, it is hard on my back . I have had the boat since new and just time to get something a little better for Green Bay, and a Lake called Lake Winnebago.


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Thanks Chris, I have also been considering 17' . Not sure I need 18 footer , but almost everyone sais a bigger boat would have been nice. It is so hard to find a decent boat now days that I have been considering settling for a 16' too. My1990 Alumacraft V16 / 1997 25 Merc has been flawless . Only one rivet leaks a little bit. The 4 bench seats however, are very hard to fish out of. Ya need to jump over benches just to get to the front to anchor, and I need to twist my back to handle the tiller . At 60 this spring, it is hard on my back . I have had the boat since new and just time to get something a little better for Green Bay, and a Lake called Lake Winnebago.

I have had all 3 of the local manufactured boats, Alumacraft competitor 170 60 mariner motor, Crestliner 1850 fish hawk 150 Suzuki (wife and kids had to have a wheel) then the lund 1725. All those boats had no issues. I would have run the alumacraft longer but wifey and kids wanted a steering wheel for tubing. They never did drive that boat either. After kids no long tubed I wanted back into a tiller, and a little smaller and lighter boat. I have plenty room to fish 3 guys and rod storage for all of us. 67 now and this is the last boat I will buy unless someone runs into it on the road. Not worried about the transom as I get the lifetime warranty.

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Originally Posted by Gooch_McGrundle
Also, if the electronics are old, I’d do a complete re-rig with an i-pilot in at least 24v if not 36v, and a couple new graphs. I’ve grown to really like having one on the bow.

I have a 24V motor guide trolling motor and a friend has a 12V, we were able to retro fit the I pilot $400 for mine and $500 for his. Had to switch out a panel on his because of the voltage. I pilot is great, when we are jigging walleyes in Canada and fish on and can just hit anchor lock to hold the boat. I have taken the wifey out for sunnies (her favorite) and had held the boat for 3 hours in the same spot. A slight wind helps, no wind and it may move you around some. If I had to buy a trolling motor it would have I pilot.

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No doubt, I'd love to have spot lock !!!!


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Paul, you seem to do pretty well without a Spot Lock. I think that for all the fish you catch that they should make you buy two licenses. I only get to come up there and play with your fish a week at a time and you get to live there.


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There are a few other boats for sale One, a 2015 ALumacraft 185 Competitor tiller / 90 Yamaha. There is only 150 hrs on it but they want $28,000 . Also a 2022 Alumacraft 185 competitor / 90 Yamaha for sale . They were working on it and one of the employees put a big old scratch in it so the Marina gave a real good deal for a new boat. They want $34,999 for it , plus tax so we are looking at $36,000. That was a lot more that the boat in the original post , but they are much bigger boats. They are about 4" wider, 2 " longer, about 7" deeper and another 300 lbs. It will likely be a better boat for Lake MIchigan. These 2 boats also have a 25" transom instead of 20" . I always felt that meant a deeper , heavier and sturdier boat.

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Originally Posted by ihookem
There are a few other boats for sale One, a 2015 ALumacraft 185 Competitor tiller / 90 Yamaha. There is only 150 hrs on it but they want $28,000 . Also a 2022 Alumacraft 185 competitor / 90 Yamaha for sale . They were working on it and one of the employees put a big old scratch in it so the Marina gave a real good deal for a new boat. They want $34,999 for it , plus tax so we are looking at $36,000. That was a lot more that the boat in the original post , but they are much bigger boats. They are about 4" wider, 2 " longer, about 7" deeper and another 300 lbs. It will likely be a better boat for Lake MIchigan. These 2 boats also have a 25" transom instead of 20" . I always felt that meant a deeper , heavier and sturdier boat.

Sound thinking. Does the new Alumacraft have the brand new hull design they recently introduced?
Price wise I can say this. I recently called Lund for a price on an 18’ pro tiller, boat only, no options no trailer no motors. I would come get it and rig it. 26k. Plus 11k for the motor, add a trailer, some electronics, no trolling motor and it’s well north of 40k. I’m looking used.
I still have two brand new motors on hand I would have liked to utilize one for sure but I’ll probably end up selling them outright and picking up a complete package when I find it.

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Lund and Yamaha are a match made in heaven, for freshwater fishing!

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Osky , i am not sure if its the new transom or not.


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Osky , i am not sure if its the new transom or not.

It’s more than just transom change on those, it’s much of the hull, angles, etc. they are really pumping it. A couple years ago I signed for a 20’ contender but they couldn’t deliver so I was let out of the deal. That salesman is always checking in to see if I’m buying.
That one would have been the previous hull style.

I’m not really a “hull” guy if it sounds that way. I’m too old to run 3/4 throttle or better on a 300 plus horse motor over heavy waters. That’s for younger tournament guys who’s competitive status requires it. If I need to get somewhere that bad I’ll leave a day earlier, drive easier, and arrive happier.

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Another question, I am going to look at a boat with a 2008 90 horse Merc Optimax . It is on a Crestliner 1850 Fish hawk / tiller . Does anyone have this outboard, and if so , how do you like it? I hear a lot fo good and a lot fo bad about them. Thanks.


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A side thought for you if you continue looking. My next go around replacing motors in a few years I’m thinking Suzuki. I know guys with them and have ridden with them. Really solid.
The drawback would be making sure you have a very good service center nearby if issues arise. I’ve heard far more about poor service centers than Suzuki motor problems.

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Originally Posted by Windfall
Paul, you seem to do pretty well without a Spot Lock. I think that for all the fish you catch that they should make you buy two licenses. I only get to come up there and play with your fish a week at a time and you get to live there.

Ha, ha, thanks !!

I think !

Just saw this, now, as it popped back to the top !


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Hard pass for me on the Optimax


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OSKY, I have heard Suzuki is really good too. My BIL loves his. Many think they re the best. 358 Normafan. Why would you give it a hard pass?


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I thought I read somewhere above you may spend time on Lake Michigan? Can’t have a big enough boat for that water.
Used boat prices are hi because of what’s happened to new boat costs. No different than the auto market these days.
Be patient.

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Well, the time finally came. I bought a boat . it is a 2008 1850 Crestliner Fish Hawk with a 90 horse tiller. I payed $14500 for it . It has 335 hours on the engine. I drove 450 miles one way to Brainerd Minn. On the way home , I blew a trailer tire after only 60 miles. Thinking no big deal, I went to change the tire and I could not get the star into the lug cause there was not enough room. I was so mad and livid that they would make a rim that needed a 13/16" spark plug socket that is thin enough to get to the lug. I limped it 3 miles down the interstate . There was air in it , only cause the tire tread flew off and the next exit had nothing but a flower shop. Asking a young woman if by chanche she knew where there was an auto parts store. She looked surprised and said there is a car tool shop or something just down the road. Thanking her several times, about a mile later a Napa store . The had one in the back shop and that was it. They ask for 5 bucks , I give them 7 bucks and happy a can be. Problem was, the spare had a crack almost all the way around the by the rim. Thankfully , a tire shop is down the road. They are ready to close ,, but sold the last trailer tire. They said there is a Walmart 13 miles , and happens to be the same way I am going . The tire shop was open, but didnt have the right size. They had one that was one size smaller, a 205 instead of a 215. They reluctantly put it on. I go tluck on that one. I was 2 hours behind and no way I could go 400 more miles and decide to head to NW Wis. and spend the night at my cabin. It was 82 in there but my generator and a good fan cooled it right off , since it was 67 outside. I got home and worked on it a bit and took it for a ride in the white caps on the big lake. It rides great , the Optimax , that was hesitant to buy seems to run very well and plenty of power , and seems to use very little gas . SO far, just a few fish have come over the gunwale , but more to come. Thanks for all the info and comments. I will keep the thread going if there is bad or good news. It has a few quirks . The old owner was 76 and went with a pontoon. Later , Ihookem.


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I found out that at idle it burns oil at 100/1 and full throttle it burns 50/1. It hardly uses any gas at all. Been out 5 times and the gas tank guage is still on full.


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The Murcury Optimax is a real good runner. It smokes a little bit but it is not bad. I looked to trade it for a new 90 horse but will only get about $2,500 for it so I woild have to dish out about $8,000 for a new one. Then I decided the smell isn't so bad after all. I've been fishing a lot . Even went to Green Bay and it took the waves just fine.


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The Murcury Optimax is a real good runner. It smokes a little bit but it is not bad. I looked to trade it for a new 90 horse but will only get about $2,500 for it so I woild have to dish out about $8,000 for a new one. Then I decided the smell isn't so bad after all. I've been fishing a lot . Even went to Green Bay and it took the waves just fine.


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I like it more every time I use it. Takes waves very well . A bit hard on the diesel bill though when I pull it.


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Glad it worked out for you Hook….
I just last weekend dropped my restored Lund Alaskan that size in the water for the first time. I wanted to break in the new Mercury 50hp tiller model. Last of the two mercs I bought last year. I wanted to go thru it to check for any issues warranty would cover.

Fun stuff, todays 4 strokes are really something.

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Osky, I was thinking of asking you what you think of 8 horse and 9.9 kicker motors. I am looking at 8 and 9.9 Mercs , but they have carbs . Suzuki doesn't make an 8 horse but their 9.9 is EFI. Do you think there is that much difference between a carb and an EFI?


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If you don't buy one that matches the big motor you will probably regret it. They look a lot better when they match.


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Originally Posted by ihookem
Osky, I was thinking of asking you what you think of 8 horse and 9.9 kicker motors. I am looking at 8 and 9.9 Mercs , but they have carbs . Suzuki doesn't make an 8 horse but their 9.9 is EFI. Do you think there is that much difference between a carb and an EFI?

New Mercs are efi. Personally, I wouldn’t bother with a kicker if I had a decent 80+ fp bow mount. I guess unless you like to back troll.

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And that is why I like my kicker. I fish a lake a lot where I back troll really slow over rock piles with half a crawler . it is amazing how well back trolling works . it is kind of an old mans walleye method but boy does it work in the weeds. Then i see others with all kinds of those boards out there . Sure they get walleyes , but I just cant imagine them not catching weeds every 100'. I bet I catch twice as many walleye as they do. I back troll for half a mile sometimes in one direction from one rock pile to the next and then back again. Cheap too, just a half a crawler , 1/4 oz. sinker and a #4 Eagle claw with my St Croix rod. I also do that to locate schools of perch. Everyone else is jumping around , pulling up anchor every 15 minutes till they get lucky. SO many times I find a school of perch and then some big boat blasts past me 40 mph , trying his darndest to look cool with his shiny boat. It knocks me off 20 ' but I keep fishing, but you know, 20' most times means I dont get nearly as many fish . Back trolling lets me get on them, just feel a bunch of hits real fast and they are likely perch. If I get a small walleye right there while back trolling , I press mark and sit there cause I know a small walleye is more agressive in the school of perch . It works almost all the time. Back trolling gets me right on the fish inside of a few feet and then I can see them on the graph so I know for sure . I have not perch fished like this this year however, cause I am slamming the walleyes, and with my new boat , I can be out there in much more wind.


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