The hilarious thing about the 308 'Chester is that is generally shoots better than well, despite violating several tenants of precision; it has an "old" shoulder angle, many rifles have lands you can't "chase" and fit the magazine length and has several decades of ammunition, brass and bullet design changes that all rear their heads when trying to make repetitive accuracy. But it still does.
It also eats about every known rifle powder speed without much fuss, and is wide ranging in that regard. It will generally make its nominal speeds with those powders as well.
I've owned more .308 Winchesters than any other chambering except maybe .223. Those rifles included a 760, M1A loaded model, 700 5r milspec, 700 Police, and a semi custom sporter wearing a Douglas barrel.
Each one of those rifles were/are capable of fine accuracy, and were very easy to load for. It's a wonderful cartridge and one I'll be shooting for many years to come.
A 308 has been my favorite centerfire caliber for years, it's accurate, doesn't eat burn out barrels like the over bored cartridges, and has plenty of power for anything I'll ever hunt.
If you can't group 1" regularly with a 308 I don't believe it's the cartridge that's the problem. I didn't use a typewriter to shoot the groups i posted above.
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Have quite a few, and only my Win M100 carbine won't do it. Most have done it with minimal effort.
My 100 does..and with factory ammo
A good principle to guide me through life: “This is all I have come to expect, standard lackluster performance. Trust nothing, believe no one and realize it will only get worse…”
If you can't group 1" regularly with a 308 I don't believe it's the cartridge that's the problem. I didn't use a typewriter to shoot the groups i posted above.
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Have quite a few, and only my Win M100 carbine won't do it. Most have done it with minimal effort.
My 100 does..and with factory ammo
My BAR loves the Norma 150gr ammo. Probably better try it in the M100 too.
I always considered the 308 a carbine cartridge. I finally bought a bull barreled 700 BDL and some match bullets. I don’t consider that 700 as a hunting rifle - paper shooter only. But my 600 Mohawk I do. I have no idea how many 308’s I’ve owned, most were 600 Mohawks or 660’s. But I’ve had 700’s, an AR in 308, a Mauser 98, Winchester 70, a Tikka, and a Ruger 77. The only ones I really liked were the 600’s.
I like the 30-06 much more than the 308 for a hunting rifle.
I never desired a 6.5 man bun. If I were to get a 6.5 it would be either a 264 or 6.5-06 or 6.5-06AI. But if a 6.5x55 in a Remington Classic we’re to come along…
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I prefer classic. Semper Fi I used to run with the hare. Now I'm envious of the tortoise and I do my own stunts but rarely intentionally
~Molɔ̀ːn Labé Skýla~ As Bob Hagel would say"You should not use a rifle that will kill an animal when everything goes right; you should use one that will do the job when everything goes wrong."Good words of wisdom...............
But if a 6.5x55 in a Remington Classic we’re to come along…
About 12 years ago I found one on the used gun rack at the Cabelas in Sidney, NE. I had a buttload of points from their club card and cashed them in on the rifle. Really a sweet shooting thing. I have always wanted one in 7x57 but have not come across one.
You get out of life what you are willing to accept. If you ain't happy, do something about it!
I got some Horn 155 bthp and CFE 223 to try. The CFE with the Horn 150 flat base shot MOA, but nothing spectacular.
My identical Tikka T3 in 6.5 Creed is still besting its bigger brother. I still think the 308 is great as a hunting cartridge but a little overrated in terms of 'inherent' accuracy. The 270 Win has been more accurate in my experience too.
Wonder how many long range hits were made by sniper teams in combat that went between 500-800 meters with a 7.62x51. With today’s super match grade barrel accuracy and bullet technology it’s only gotten better. It’ll never overtake the 6.5 Creedmoor in very long range work, but for larger game (500-1,000+lbs) the 308 Win, IMO, hits harder with more authority and more blood loss from the muzzle out to 400 yards. Having almost 17% more frontal area and easily 40 gr - 60 gr more of bullet weight it provides tremendous power for hunting big animals, more so than the 6.5mm Creedmoor can provide with its lighter bullet weights and pencil size holes. I could care less about what’s happening out at 700 meters, but that’s just me. To each his own.
I got some Horn 155 bthp and CFE 223 to try. The CFE with the Horn 150 flat base shot MOA, but nothing spectacular.
My identical Tikka T3 in 6.5 Creed is still besting its bigger brother. I still think the 308 is great as a hunting cartridge but a little overrated in terms of 'inherent' accuracy. The 270 Win has been more accurate in my experience too.
For the last couple of packaging changes I haven't found these to produce the groups several of my rifles are capable of with other bullets.
Wonder how many long range hits were made by sniper teams in combat that went between 500-800 meters with a 7.62x51. With today’s super match grade barrel accuracy and bullet technology it’s only gotten better. It’ll never overtake the 6.5 Creedmoor in very long range work, but for larger game (500-1,000+lbs) the 308 Win, IMO, hits harder with more authority and more blood loss from the muzzle out to 400 yards. Having almost 17% more frontal area and easily 40 gr - 60 gr more of bullet weight it provides tremendous power for hunting big animals, more so than the 6.5mm Creedmoor can provide with its lighter bullet weights and pencil size holes. I could care less about what’s happening out at 700 meters, but that’s just me. To each his own.
You CLUELESS Drooling Fhuqktards are a hoot...you "lucky" kchunts. Hint. Congratulations?!?
"Frontal area",hits "harder" and "power" are Window Licking staples. Hint.
The boys issued a fhuqking 308,had zero "choices" and 'surprisingly" most of the "vaunted" heritage was Pre-LRF and a fhuqking guess at best. Read that again. Now one more time. Hint.
Physics just "happens" to matter and the Transonic slip of a 308 is fhuqking HILARIOUS,compared to a 264 Kreed. Hint.
You Amazingly STUPID Fhuqks never disappoint,by simply doing your best. Hint.
Fhuqking LAUGHING!..............
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
You CLUELESS Drooling Fhuqktards are a hoot...you "lucky" kchunts. Hint. Congratulations?!?
"Frontal area",hits "harder" and "power" are Window Licking staples. Hint.
The boys issued a fhuqking 308,had zero "choices" and 'surprisingly" most of the "vaunted" heritage was Pre-LRF and a fhuqking guess at best. Read that again. Now one more time. Hint.
Physics just "happens" to matter and the Transonic slip of a 308 is fhuqking HILARIOUS,compared to a 264 Kreed. Hint.
You Amazingly STUPID Fhuqks never disappoint,by simply doing your best. Hint.
Fhuqking LAUGHING!..............
Have you ever killed anything, anything at all at long range?
Ain't it a fascinating CONSTANT,that you've never seen or shot ANY of it...you "lucky" kchunt. Hint. Congratulations?!?
Cheer up...it were yet ANOTHER "slow" day. Hint.
Fhuqking LAUGHING!.................
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
You CLUELESS Drooling Fhuqktards are a hoot...you "lucky" kchunts. Hint. Congratulations?!?
"Frontal area",hits "harder" and "power" are Window Licking staples. Hint.
The boys issued a fhuqking 308,had zero "choices" and 'surprisingly" most of the "vaunted" heritage was Pre-LRF and a fhuqking guess at best. Read that again. Now one more time. Hint.
Physics just "happens" to matter and the Transonic slip of a 308 is fhuqking HILARIOUS,compared to a 264 Kreed. Hint.
You Amazingly STUPID Fhuqks never disappoint,by simply doing your best. Hint.
Fhuqking LAUGHING!..............
Have you ever killed anything, anything at all at long range?
No, but dammit he's ready. Lol. The virtual numbers are all set for the virtual hunting. Have to have high BC, long OAL, and low virtue for that game.