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7-08 - 180 ELD's #18398940 05/05/23
Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 17,400 Likes: 17 Durham, CA Higginez OP Campfire Ranger
OP Higginez Campfire Ranger Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 17,400 Likes: 17 Durham, CA	Shaen is just about finished up with a 20" 7-08 I had him do for me. Planning 180's from the start but will shift gears to 162's if no joy. I've got just enough R-17 to get started but a big pile of R-16. Thinking 17 will be THE one for this but I'll shake down the 16 as well. Anybody running the heavies? 2,500 fps ish? Screw you! I'm voting for Trump again! Ecc 10:2 The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but that of a fool to the 24HCF.

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Re: 7-08 - 180 ELD's Higginez #18399130 05/05/23
Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 23,678 Likes: 4 MontanaMan Campfire Ranger
MontanaMan Campfire Ranger Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 23,678 Likes: 4	Other than you can, why? MM

Re: 7-08 - 180 ELD's Higginez #18399178 05/05/23
Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 17,400 Likes: 17 Durham, CA Higginez OP Campfire Ranger
OP Higginez Campfire Ranger Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 17,400 Likes: 17 Durham, CA	I wanna try some 180's to see if I can get them to speeds that will trump the 162's. I'm looking for data. Do you have any? Screw you! I'm voting for Trump again! Ecc 10:2 The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but that of a fool to the 24HCF.

Re: 7-08 - 180 ELD's Higginez #18399848 05/05/23
Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 15,376 Likes: 13 Northeast USA B beretzs Campfire Ranger
beretzs Campfire Ranger B Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 15,376 Likes: 13 Northeast USA	Hig, I wonder is SB6.5 won’t work decent as well. At least pretty close to 17. I’ve never loaded that combo but if you’ve got the mag space and twist I’d think you’d be able to loft them along at 2500-2600. I’ll look on QL just for a couple guesses as well if you want. Semper Fi

Re: 7-08 - 180 ELD's Higginez #18399896 05/05/23
Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 15,376 Likes: 13 Northeast USA B beretzs Campfire Ranger
beretzs Campfire Ranger B Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 15,376 Likes: 13 Northeast USA	Cartridge : 7 mm-08 Rem. Bullet : .284, 180, Hornady ELD-M 28503 Useable Case Capaci: 44.251 grain H2O = 2.873 cm³ Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.850 inch = 72.39 mm Barrel Length : 20.0 inch = 508.0 mm Powder : Hodgdon LVR Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge, incremented in steps of 1.19% of nominal charge. CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads ! Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time % % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms -11.9 91 37.00 2221 1972 42760 9299 96.7 1.318 -10.7 92 37.50 2250 2024 44467 9421 97.2 1.294 -09.5 93 38.00 2280 2077 46244 9538 97.6 1.271 -08.3 94 38.50 2309 2131 48096 9651 97.9 1.249 -07.1 96 39.00 2338 2185 50024 9759 98.3 1.226 -06.0 97 39.50 2367 2240 52023 9862 98.6 1.205 -04.8 98 40.00 2397 2296 54095 9959 98.9 1.184 -03.6 99 40.50 2426 2352 56248 10051 99.1 1.163 ! Near Maximum ! -02.4 101 41.00 2455 2408 58489 10137 99.4 1.143 ! Near Maximum ! -01.2 102 41.50 2483 2465 60824 10217 99.5 1.123 ! Near Maximum ! +00.0 103 42.00 2512 2523 63257 10292 99.7 1.104 ! Near Maximum ! +01.2 104 42.50 2541 2581 65793 10360 99.8 1.085 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE! +02.4 105 43.00 2570 2639 68437 10421 99.9 1.066 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE! +03.6 107 43.50 2598 2698 71195 10477 100.0 1.048 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE! +04.8 108 44.00 2627 2758 74074 10525 100.0 1.030 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE! +06.0 109 44.50 2655 2818 77079 10569 100.0 1.013 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE! Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value: +Ba 103 42.00 2610 2723 75787 9878 100.0 1.027 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE! Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value: -Ba 103 42.00 2370 2246 51153 10272 95.6 1.205 Cartridge : 7 mm-08 Rem. Bullet : .284, 180, Hornady ELD-M 28503 Useable Case Capaci: 44.251 grain H2O = 2.873 cm³ Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.850 inch = 72.39 mm Barrel Length : 20.0 inch = 508.0 mm Powder : Alliant Reloder-17 T Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge, incremented in steps of 1.163% of nominal charge. CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads ! Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time % % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms -11.6 89 38.00 2258 2038 41562 9773 98.9 1.319 -10.5 90 38.50 2287 2091 43193 9877 99.2 1.295 -09.3 91 39.00 2317 2145 44890 9973 99.4 1.272 -08.1 92 39.50 2346 2200 46660 10062 99.6 1.249 -07.0 93 40.00 2376 2255 48503 10144 99.8 1.227 -05.8 95 40.50 2405 2311 50424 10219 99.9 1.205 -04.7 96 41.00 2434 2367 52428 10286 100.0 1.184 -03.5 97 41.50 2463 2424 54517 10346 100.0 1.163 -02.3 98 42.00 2491 2481 56700 10400 100.0 1.143 ! Near Maximum ! -01.2 99 42.50 2520 2538 58977 10452 100.0 1.123 ! Near Maximum ! +00.0 101 43.00 2548 2596 61353 10504 100.0 1.103 ! Near Maximum ! +01.2 102 43.50 2577 2654 63838 10554 100.0 1.084 ! Near Maximum ! +02.3 103 44.00 2605 2712 66439 10603 100.0 1.065 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE! +03.5 104 44.50 2633 2771 69153 10651 100.0 1.047 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE! +04.7 105 45.00 2661 2830 71998 10698 100.0 1.029 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE! +05.8 106 45.50 2689 2890 74976 10743 100.0 1.011 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE! Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value: +Ba 101 43.00 2644 2794 75040 10065 100.0 1.023 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE! Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value: -Ba 101 43.00 2402 2305 49552 10823 98.0 1.209 Cartridge : 7 mm-08 Rem. Bullet : .284, 180, Hornady ELD-M 28503 Useable Case Capaci: 44.251 grain H2O = 2.873 cm³ Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.850 inch = 72.39 mm Barrel Length : 20.0 inch = 508.0 mm Powder : Alliant Reloder-16 C T Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge, incremented in steps of 1.19% of nominal charge. CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads ! Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time % % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms -11.9 93 37.00 2244 2013 42098 9585 97.7 1.310 -10.7 94 37.50 2274 2067 43733 9704 98.1 1.287 -09.5 96 38.00 2304 2121 45434 9817 98.4 1.264 -08.3 97 38.50 2333 2176 47202 9924 98.8 1.242 -07.1 98 39.00 2363 2232 49042 10024 99.0 1.220 -06.0 99 39.50 2392 2288 50957 10118 99.3 1.198 -04.8 101 40.00 2422 2344 52951 10206 99.5 1.178 -03.6 102 40.50 2451 2401 55027 10286 99.7 1.157 -02.4 103 41.00 2480 2459 57188 10360 99.8 1.137 ! Near Maximum ! -01.2 104 41.50 2509 2517 59445 10426 99.9 1.117 ! Near Maximum ! +00.0 106 42.00 2538 2575 61795 10485 100.0 1.098 ! Near Maximum ! +01.2 107 42.50 2567 2634 64245 10536 100.0 1.080 ! Near Maximum ! +02.4 108 43.00 2596 2693 66804 10583 100.0 1.061 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE! +03.6 109 43.50 2624 2753 69473 10629 100.0 1.043 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE! +04.8 111 44.00 2653 2812 72264 10673 100.0 1.025 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE! +06.0 112 44.50 2681 2873 75177 10716 100.0 1.008 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE! Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value: +Ba 106 42.00 2636 2777 74353 10012 100.0 1.022 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE! Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value: -Ba 106 42.00 2392 2287 50624 10605 96.6 1.199 Cartridge : 7 mm-08 Rem. Bullet : .284, 180, Hornady ELD-M 28503 Useable Case Capaci: 44.251 grain H2O = 2.873 cm³ Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.850 inch = 72.39 mm Barrel Length : 20.0 inch = 508.0 mm Powder : Winchester 6,5 StaBall TC Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge, incremented in steps of 1.064% of nominal charge. CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads ! Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time % % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms -10.6 96 42.00 2223 1975 44351 9003 98.4 1.288 -09.6 97 42.50 2250 2024 46041 9094 98.7 1.266 -08.5 98 43.00 2277 2073 47801 9180 99.0 1.244 -07.4 99 43.50 2304 2123 49635 9260 99.2 1.223 -06.4 100 44.00 2332 2173 51551 9335 99.4 1.202 -05.3 101 44.50 2359 2224 53549 9405 99.6 1.181 -04.3 103 45.00 2386 2275 55637 9469 99.8 1.161 ! Near Maximum ! -03.2 104 45.50 2413 2327 57814 9527 99.9 1.141 ! Near Maximum ! -02.1 105 46.00 2440 2379 60102 9579 100.0 1.122 ! Near Maximum ! -01.1 106 46.50 2467 2432 62489 9624 100.0 1.103 ! Near Maximum ! +00.0 107 47.00 2494 2485 64988 9664 100.0 1.084 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE! +01.1 108 47.50 2520 2539 67606 9701 100.0 1.066 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE! +02.1 109 48.00 2547 2593 70352 9738 100.0 1.048 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE! +03.2 110 48.50 2574 2648 73231 9772 100.0 1.030 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE! +04.3 112 49.00 2601 2703 76256 9806 100.0 1.013 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE! +05.3 113 49.50 2628 2759 79433 9838 100.0 0.996 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE! Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value: +Ba 107 47.00 2586 2672 78092 9278 100.0 1.011 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE! Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value: -Ba 107 47.00 2355 2217 53290 9818 97.3 1.181 Cartridge : 7 mm-08 Rem. Bullet : .284, 180, Hornady ELD-M 28503 Useable Case Capaci: 44.251 grain H2O = 2.873 cm³ Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.850 inch = 72.39 mm Barrel Length : 20.0 inch = 508.0 mm Powder : Vihtavuori N550 C*T Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge, incremented in steps of 1.163% of nominal charge. CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads ! Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time % % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms -11.6 91 38.00 2244 2013 43784 9559 97.4 1.315 -10.5 92 38.50 2273 2065 45490 9677 97.8 1.291 -09.3 94 39.00 2302 2118 47263 9790 98.2 1.269 -08.1 95 39.50 2331 2172 49106 9899 98.5 1.246 -07.0 96 40.00 2360 2226 51021 10003 98.8 1.224 -05.8 97 40.50 2388 2280 53012 10101 99.1 1.203 -04.7 98 41.00 2417 2335 55083 10194 99.3 1.182 -03.5 100 41.50 2446 2391 57237 10281 99.5 1.162 ! Near Maximum ! -02.3 101 42.00 2474 2447 59479 10363 99.7 1.142 ! Near Maximum ! -01.2 102 42.50 2503 2504 61812 10439 99.8 1.122 ! Near Maximum ! +00.0 103 43.00 2531 2561 64241 10509 99.9 1.103 ! Near Maximum ! +01.2 104 43.50 2559 2618 66771 10573 100.0 1.084 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE! +02.3 106 44.00 2588 2676 69408 10630 100.0 1.066 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE! +03.5 107 44.50 2616 2734 72157 10682 100.0 1.048 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE! +04.7 108 45.00 2644 2793 75023 10731 100.0 1.030 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE! +05.8 109 45.50 2672 2853 78015 10778 100.0 1.013 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE! Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value: +Ba 103 43.00 2628 2760 77041 10096 100.0 1.026 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE! Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value: -Ba 103 43.00 2389 2281 51785 10547 96.4 1.207 Semper Fi

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Re: 7-08 - 180 ELD's beretzs #18400147 05/05/23
Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 17,400 Likes: 17 Durham, CA Higginez OP Campfire Ranger
OP Higginez Campfire Ranger Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 17,400 Likes: 17 Durham, CA	Originally Posted by beretzs Hig, I wonder is SB6.5 won’t work decent as well. At least pretty close to 17. I’ve never loaded that combo but if you’ve got the mag space and twist I’d think you’d be able to loft them along at 2500-2600. I’ll look on QL just for a couple guesses as well if you want. Thanks man! Can you run one with 180's and 26 as well as 162's with 16, 17 and 26 please? Screw you! I'm voting for Trump again! Ecc 10:2 The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but that of a fool to the 24HCF.

Re: 7-08 - 180 ELD's Higginez #18400826 05/05/23
Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 15,376 Likes: 13 Northeast USA B beretzs Campfire Ranger
beretzs Campfire Ranger B Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 15,376 Likes: 13 Northeast USA	Cartridge : 7 mm-08 Rem. Bullet : .284, 180, Hornady ELD-M 28503 Useable Case Capaci: 43.439 grain H2O = 2.820 cm³ Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.800 inch = 71.12 mm Barrel Length : 20.0 inch = 508.0 mm Powder : Alliant Reloder-26 *C Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge, incremented in steps of 1.056% of nominal charge. CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads ! Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time % % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms -10.6 98 42.34 2224 1978 37685 10549 94.8 1.375 -09.5 100 42.84 2257 2035 39204 10694 95.5 1.350 -08.4 101 43.34 2289 2094 40797 10833 96.1 1.324 -07.4 102 43.84 2322 2155 42467 10963 96.7 1.298 -06.3 103 44.34 2354 2216 44219 11086 97.2 1.273 -05.3 104 44.84 2387 2278 46058 11201 97.7 1.249 -04.2 105 45.34 2420 2341 47989 11308 98.2 1.225 -03.2 107 45.84 2453 2405 50021 11405 98.6 1.201 -02.1 108 46.34 2486 2470 52156 11493 98.9 1.178 ! Near Maximum ! -01.1 109 46.84 2519 2535 54391 11572 99.2 1.155 ! Near Maximum ! +00.0 110 47.34 2552 2602 56775 11641 99.5 1.133 ! Near Maximum ! +01.1 111 47.84 2585 2670 59273 11700 99.7 1.111 ! Near Maximum ! +02.1 112 48.34 2617 2738 61909 11748 99.8 1.089 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE! +03.2 113 48.84 2650 2808 64694 11785 99.9 1.068 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE! +04.2 115 49.34 2683 2878 67639 11811 100.0 1.047 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE! +05.3 116 49.84 2716 2949 70757 11828 100.0 1.026 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE! Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value: +Ba 110 47.34 2698 2909 71819 11041 100.0 1.031 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE! Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value: -Ba 110 47.34 2336 2181 44670 11367 92.5 1.266 Semper Fi

Re: 7-08 - 180 ELD's Higginez #18400839 05/05/23
Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 15,376 Likes: 13 Northeast USA B beretzs Campfire Ranger
beretzs Campfire Ranger B Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 15,376 Likes: 13 Northeast USA	Cartridge : 7 mm-08 Rem. Bullet : .284, 162, Hornady ELD-M 28403 Useable Case Capaci: 45.376 grain H2O = 2.946 cm³ Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.800 inch = 71.12 mm Barrel Length : 20.0 inch = 508.0 mm Powder : Alliant Reloder-26 C Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge, incremented in steps of 1.011% of nominal charge. CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads ! Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time % % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms -10.1 99 44.46 2313 1924 36514 10802 92.5 1.331 -09.1 100 44.96 2346 1980 37919 10964 93.2 1.307 -08.1 101 45.46 2380 2037 39390 11121 94.0 1.283 -07.1 102 45.96 2413 2094 40929 11270 94.7 1.259 -06.1 103 46.46 2447 2153 42538 11413 95.3 1.236 -05.1 104 46.96 2480 2213 44227 11549 95.9 1.213 -04.0 106 47.46 2514 2274 45998 11678 96.5 1.190 -03.0 107 47.96 2548 2336 47854 11798 97.1 1.168 -02.0 108 48.46 2582 2399 49803 11911 97.5 1.146 -01.0 109 48.96 2617 2463 51851 12014 98.0 1.125 ! Near Maximum ! +00.0 110 49.46 2651 2528 54004 12109 98.4 1.104 ! Near Maximum ! +01.0 111 49.96 2685 2594 56267 12195 98.8 1.083 ! Near Maximum ! +02.0 112 50.46 2720 2661 58653 12271 99.1 1.062 ! Near Maximum ! +03.0 113 50.96 2754 2729 61163 12337 99.4 1.042 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE! +04.0 114 51.46 2789 2797 63815 12392 99.6 1.022 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE! +05.1 116 51.96 2823 2867 66612 12437 99.8 1.003 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE! Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value: +Ba 110 49.46 2822 2865 68020 11636 100.0 1.002 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE! Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value: -Ba 110 49.46 2410 2090 42650 11485 89.5 1.236 Cartridge : 7 mm-08 Rem. Bullet : .284, 162, Hornady ELD-M 28403 Useable Case Capaci: 45.376 grain H2O = 2.946 cm³ Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.800 inch = 71.12 mm Barrel Length : 20.0 inch = 508.0 mm Powder : Alliant Reloder-16 C T Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge, incremented in steps of 1.149% of nominal charge. CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads ! Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time % % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms -11.5 95 38.50 2349 1984 41256 9814 96.1 1.259 -10.3 96 39.00 2380 2037 42814 9945 96.6 1.237 -09.2 97 39.50 2411 2090 44432 10071 97.1 1.216 -08.0 98 40.00 2441 2144 46114 10191 97.5 1.195 -06.9 99 40.50 2472 2199 47863 10306 97.9 1.174 -05.7 101 41.00 2503 2254 49679 10414 98.3 1.154 -04.6 102 41.50 2534 2310 51574 10517 98.6 1.134 -03.4 103 42.00 2565 2366 53546 10613 98.9 1.114 -02.3 104 42.50 2595 2423 55597 10703 99.2 1.095 ! Near Maximum ! -01.1 106 43.00 2626 2480 57734 10786 99.4 1.077 ! Near Maximum ! +00.0 107 43.50 2656 2538 59960 10862 99.6 1.059 ! Near Maximum ! +01.1 108 44.00 2687 2597 62280 10931 99.8 1.041 ! Near Maximum ! +02.3 109 44.50 2717 2656 64700 10993 99.9 1.023 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE! +03.4 110 45.00 2747 2715 67224 11048 99.9 1.006 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE! +04.6 112 45.50 2778 2775 69858 11095 100.0 0.989 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE! +05.7 113 46.00 2808 2835 72612 11135 100.0 0.973 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE! Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value: +Ba 107 43.50 2771 2762 72075 10399 100.0 0.982 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE! Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value: -Ba 107 43.50 2490 2231 49171 10758 94.7 1.158 Cartridge : 7 mm-08 Rem. Bullet : .284, 162, Hornady ELD-M 28403 Useable Case Capaci: 45.376 grain H2O = 2.946 cm³ Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.800 inch = 71.12 mm Barrel Length : 20.0 inch = 508.0 mm Powder : Alliant Reloder-17 T Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge, incremented in steps of 1.111% of nominal charge. CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads ! Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time % % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms -11.1 91 40.00 2391 2056 42055 10156 98.1 1.248 -10.0 92 40.50 2422 2109 43662 10268 98.4 1.226 -08.9 93 41.00 2452 2163 45333 10375 98.8 1.204 -07.8 95 41.50 2483 2218 47073 10474 99.1 1.183 -06.7 96 42.00 2514 2273 48887 10567 99.3 1.163 -05.6 97 42.50 2544 2329 50776 10652 99.5 1.143 -04.4 98 43.00 2575 2385 52747 10731 99.7 1.123 -03.3 99 43.50 2605 2441 54800 10802 99.8 1.103 -02.2 100 44.00 2636 2499 56943 10865 99.9 1.084 ! Near Maximum ! -01.1 101 44.50 2666 2556 59175 10921 100.0 1.066 ! Near Maximum ! +00.0 103 45.00 2696 2614 61515 10969 100.0 1.047 ! Near Maximum ! +01.1 104 45.50 2726 2673 63953 11013 100.0 1.029 ! Near Maximum ! +02.2 105 46.00 2756 2731 66503 11056 100.0 1.012 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE! +03.3 106 46.50 2785 2791 69168 11098 100.0 0.995 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE! +04.4 107 47.00 2815 2850 71958 11139 100.0 0.978 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE! +05.6 108 47.50 2845 2910 74878 11178 100.0 0.961 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE! Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value: +Ba 103 45.00 2806 2832 75180 10483 100.0 0.969 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE! Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value: -Ba 103 45.00 2529 2300 49733 11132 96.8 1.150 Semper Fi

Re: 7-08 - 180 ELD's Higginez #18400840 05/05/23
Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 15,376 Likes: 13 Northeast USA B beretzs Campfire Ranger
beretzs Campfire Ranger B Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 15,376 Likes: 13 Northeast USA	Let know you wanna see anything else. Semper Fi

Re: 7-08 - 180 ELD's Higginez #18400894 05/05/23
Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 58,794 Likes: 63 Paradise,Alaska Big Stick Campfire Kahuna
Big Stick Campfire Kahuna Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 58,794 Likes: 63 Paradise,Alaska	The .796 BC Hornie 180 at 2600fps in a 21" 7-08,is simply fhuqking SINISTER. Starting velocity,ain't impact velocity and that fhuqks with pointy heads. Slipping atmospherics,is simply fhuqking AMAZING and it's gotta be seen,to be fully processed. Hint. 2.950" COAL is a realistic COAL and binderless AICS mags,happily digest same(along with Fieldcrafts and Winny S/A's minus mag blocks). Hint. I've not shot same,since a coupla hours ago. Hint. Fhuqking LAUGHING!............. Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."

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Re: 7-08 - 180 ELD's Higginez #18401254 05/05/23
Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 13,271 Likes: 7 Willamette Valley, Oregon P Pharmseller Campfire Outfitter
Pharmseller Campfire Outfitter P Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 13,271 Likes: 7 Willamette Valley, Oregon	150 eldx with BG at 2790 fps carries the mail pretty well, too. P Obey lawful commands. Video interactions. Hold bad cops accountable. Problem solved. ~Molɔ̀ːn Labé Skýla~ Member #547 Join date 3/09/2001

Re: 7-08 - 180 ELD's Higginez #18401774 05/06/23
Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 58,794 Likes: 63 Paradise,Alaska Big Stick Campfire Kahuna
Big Stick Campfire Kahuna Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 58,794 Likes: 63 Paradise,Alaska	PhartSmeller, A 150gr .284" wearing a .574 BC is funnier than fhuqk and gals who "know" and "do" as "much" as you,will ALWAYS be best suited by asking questions...rather than giving "answers". Hint. Fhuqking LAUGHING!............. Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."

Re: 7-08 - 180 ELD's Pharmseller #18402116 05/06/23
Joined: Aug 2010 Posts: 48,424 Likes: 55 Battle Born B bsa1917hunter Campfire 'Bwana
bsa1917hunter Campfire 'Bwana B Joined: Aug 2010 Posts: 48,424 Likes: 55 Battle Born	Originally Posted by Pharmseller 150 eldx with BG at 2790 fps carries the mail pretty well, too. P Hey, if you can't get a 180 to 2800 fps or a 162 to 3,000, no one can... Originally Posted by raybass I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. Originally Posted by Pharmseller You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA

Re: 7-08 - 180 ELD's beretzs #18402212 05/06/23
Joined: Apr 2004 Posts: 42,950 Likes: 16 Southern Oregon USA S Seafire Campfire 'Bwana
Seafire Campfire 'Bwana S Joined: Apr 2004 Posts: 42,950 Likes: 16 Southern Oregon USA	Seems like 41.50 grain load would be "good enough"... MV of 2450 ish, is close enough to 2500 fps... two clicks on the elevation knob, and point of impact could be compensated for the loss of 50 fps... Sectional density of a 180 grain bullet ought to plow thru quite a bit of game animal.. kinda similar to a 160 grainer in a 260 Remington....if not on a hot day, I've gotten some real quick velocity using this load with a stiff charge of H 380...with a lot of accuracy thrown in... "Minus the killings, Washington has one of the lowest crime rates in the Country" Marion Barry, Mayor of Wash DC “Owning guns is not a right. If it were a right, it would be in the Constitution.” ~Alexandria Ocasio Cortez

Re: 7-08 - 180 ELD's Seafire #18402242 05/06/23
Joined: Aug 2010 Posts: 48,424 Likes: 55 Battle Born B bsa1917hunter Campfire 'Bwana
bsa1917hunter Campfire 'Bwana B Joined: Aug 2010 Posts: 48,424 Likes: 55 Battle Born	Originally Posted by Seafire Seems like 41.50 grain load would be "good enough"... MV of 2450 ish, is close enough to 2500 fps... two clicks on the elevation knob, and point of impact could be compensated for the loss of 50 fps... Sectional density of a 180 grain bullet ought to plow thru quite a bit of game animal.. kinda similar to a 160 grainer in a 260 Remington....if not on a hot day, I've gotten some real quick velocity using this load with a stiff charge of H 380...with a lot of accuracy thrown in... I'm usually on the heavy for cartridge band wagon, but a 180 in an 08 is just too heavy. The OP may have his reasons, but I'm in agreement with Pharm about the 150 ELDX and also the 140 TTSX, if wanting to go heavy for cartridge mono metal. 180 or even 162? Nah... Originally Posted by raybass I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. Originally Posted by Pharmseller You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA

Re: 7-08 - 180 ELD's Higginez #18402263 05/06/23
Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 17,400 Likes: 17 Durham, CA Higginez OP Campfire Ranger
OP Higginez Campfire Ranger Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 17,400 Likes: 17 Durham, CA	162's have kicked my ass from a 7-08 out to a mile more than once. Haven't seen how the 180's do, but I'm fixing to find out. Screw you! I'm voting for Trump again! Ecc 10:2 The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but that of a fool to the 24HCF.

Re: 7-08 - 180 ELD's Higginez #18402264 05/06/23
Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 58,794 Likes: 63 Paradise,Alaska Big Stick Campfire Kahuna
Big Stick Campfire Kahuna Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 58,794 Likes: 63 Paradise,Alaska	Hilariously,Do NOTHING Fhuqktards tend to flock together,in their Dumbfhuqkery...and are STILL trying to seat 108's in their 6x45 uppers. Hint. LAUGHING! The 180 is without peer in a 7-08 and pardon my simply shooting it all. Hint. Fhuqking LAUGHING!.................. Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."

Re: 7-08 - 180 ELD's Higginez #18402545 05/06/23
Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 17,400 Likes: 17 Durham, CA Higginez OP Campfire Ranger
OP Higginez Campfire Ranger Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 17,400 Likes: 17 Durham, CA	Might be fun. Screw you! I'm voting for Trump again! Ecc 10:2 The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but that of a fool to the 24HCF.

Re: 7-08 - 180 ELD's Higginez #18403065 05/06/23
Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 5,473 Likes: 2 jennings lodge, oregon Oregonmuley Campfire Tracker
Oregonmuley Campfire Tracker Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 5,473 Likes: 2 jennings lodge, oregon	What barrel/twist/contour did Shaen spin up for you?? I'm in the early stages of collecting parts for the next one and he thought a Krieger might work?? "Rather hunt Mule deer than anything else" "Team 7MM-08"

Re: 7-08 - 180 ELD's Higginez #18403080 05/06/23
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steveredd1 Campfire Regular S Joined: Dec 2021 Posts: 1,892 WV	I use RL19 in my 20" Hart barrel 708 with the 180

Re: 7-08 - 180 ELD's Oregonmuley #18403102 05/06/23
Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 17,400 Likes: 17 Durham, CA Higginez OP Campfire Ranger
OP Higginez Campfire Ranger Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 17,400 Likes: 17 Durham, CA	Originally Posted by Oregonmuley What barrel/twist/contour did Shaen spin up for you?? I'm in the early stages of collecting parts for the next one and he thought a Krieger might work?? This is a Bart 1-8” Sendero Screw you! I'm voting for Trump again! Ecc 10:2 The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but that of a fool to the 24HCF.

Re: 7-08 - 180 ELD's Higginez #18403144 05/06/23
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beretzs Campfire Ranger B Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 15,376 Likes: 13 Northeast USA	I think it’s a worthy try myself. People rave over 308’s and 30-06’s with 200’s and 220’s loafing along at similar speeds. How can a 7mm bullet that runs about the same speed with a pile of BC suck. Plus, at those speed impacts should be very predictable and excellent bullet performance. Cool rifle Hig. I’m betting it’s going to be a blast. Semper Fi

Re: 7-08 - 180 ELD's Higginez #18403197 05/06/23
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MontanaMan Campfire Ranger Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 23,678 Likes: 4	Originally Posted by Higginez Might be fun. That's a great looking gun, but I think it would be a lot more absolutely fhuqking SINISTER with 180's in a 280 Rem chambering at the small penalty of 1/2" in action length & slightly more recoil. MM

Re: 7-08 - 180 ELD's Higginez #18403305 05/06/23
Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 5,473 Likes: 2 jennings lodge, oregon Oregonmuley Campfire Tracker
Oregonmuley Campfire Tracker Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 5,473 Likes: 2 jennings lodge, oregon	Originally Posted by Higginez Originally Posted by Oregonmuley What barrel/twist/contour did Shaen spin up for you?? I'm in the early stages of collecting parts for the next one and he thought a Krieger might work?? This is a Bart 1-8” Sendero Nice rifle - Shaen sure knows how to build em - and thanks for the info much obliged! "Rather hunt Mule deer than anything else" "Team 7MM-08"

Re: 7-08 - 180 ELD's bsa1917hunter #18404428 05/06/23
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Pharmseller Campfire Outfitter P Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 13,271 Likes: 7 Willamette Valley, Oregon	Originally Posted by bsa1917hunter Originally Posted by Pharmseller 150 eldx with BG at 2790 fps carries the mail pretty well, too. P Hey, if you can't get a 180 to 2800 fps or a 162 to 3,000, no one can... Hold my beer… P Obey lawful commands. Video interactions. Hold bad cops accountable. Problem solved. ~Molɔ̀ːn Labé Skýla~ Member #547 Join date 3/09/2001

Re: 7-08 - 180 ELD's Higginez #18404498 05/06/23
Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 16,512 Louisiana 65BR Campfire Ranger
65BR Campfire Ranger Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 16,512 Louisiana	Having burnt many 708 rounds, alot thru a 21", I will be interested to hear how all this works out. That said, I was not satisfied personally, using 162 BTSP long ago, in a 20" M70 Syn/Carbine - with powders available then. Personally....no flames, just stating my .02, based on my experience.......if I were loading a 7/08 today, for my use, I would use 4 bullets for a majority of my use: 140 NAB for all around 150 NBT or NAB if I wanted a bit more - think Elk......(assuming equally accurate, to me the 150 is preferred vs 140) - Layne Simpson IIRC had high praise for the 150PT in the 7/08. 120 TTSX if I needed a mono or just some lighter recoiling deer/hog rounds, though yes, larger game at ranges that the speeds impact enough for expansion. Lastly 120 Vmax or BTs, for varmints.......on that note I shot several 3-shot groups, at 200 yds, with 100 Hornady HP/Varget/RP brass, from a 700V - chopped to 21" in a VLS stock that was floated, factory trigger lightened....1/2" - yes, 1/2" at 200 yds, and a few groups....so not a one off. Lower BC would make me grab 120s vs 100s on varmints if using at any distance...... I can see a use for 162 Amax if one can get the speeds in their rifle/load combo. Heavier bullets? I'd lean on the 280 and 7RM, just me. To me, the 180 class 7s go with long action rounds best, just like a 156/160 goes best in a Swede - not a Creedmoor. Just me. I do lean on short actions, but COL/mag box and throats just seem less restrictive in long actions, when using the heavies. Safe shooting - have fun folks. Last edited by 65BR; 05/06/23.

Re: 7-08 - 180 ELD's beretzs #18405202 05/07/23
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Jordan Smith Campfire Outfitter Joined: Mar 2006 Posts: 14,592 Likes: 12 Calgary, AB, Canada	Originally Posted by beretzs I think it’s a worthy try myself. People rave over 308’s and 30-06’s with 200’s and 220’s loafing along at similar speeds. How can a 7mm bullet that runs about the same speed with a pile of BC suck. Plus, at those speed impacts should be very predictable and excellent bullet performance. Cool rifle Hig. I’m betting it’s going to be a blast. This. I’ve been shooting 162s in my 7-08s for a long while, and will go 180s on my next 7-08 barrel, which will have an 8” twist.

Re: 7-08 - 180 ELD's Jordan Smith #18405281 05/07/23
Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 17,400 Likes: 17 Durham, CA Higginez OP Campfire Ranger
OP Higginez Campfire Ranger Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 17,400 Likes: 17 Durham, CA	Originally Posted by Jordan Smith Originally Posted by beretzs I think it’s a worthy try myself. People rave over 308’s and 30-06’s with 200’s and 220’s loafing along at similar speeds. How can a 7mm bullet that runs about the same speed with a pile of BC suck. Plus, at those speed impacts should be very predictable and excellent bullet performance. Cool rifle Hig. I’m betting it’s going to be a blast. This. I’ve been shooting 162s in my 7-08s for a long while, and will go 180s on my next 7-08 barrel, which will have an 8” twist. I don’t think it will suck either. Thanks fellas. Screw you! I'm voting for Trump again! Ecc 10:2 The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but that of a fool to the 24HCF.

Re: 7-08 - 180 ELD's bsa1917hunter #18405664 05/07/23
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Seafire Campfire 'Bwana S Joined: Apr 2004 Posts: 42,950 Likes: 16 Southern Oregon USA	Originally Posted by bsa1917hunter Originally Posted by Seafire Seems like 41.50 grain load would be "good enough"... MV of 2450 ish, is close enough to 2500 fps... two clicks on the elevation knob, and point of impact could be compensated for the loss of 50 fps... Sectional density of a 180 grain bullet ought to plow thru quite a bit of game animal.. kinda similar to a 160 grainer in a 260 Remington....if not on a hot day, I've gotten some real quick velocity using this load with a stiff charge of H 380...with a lot of accuracy thrown in... I'm usually on the heavy for cartridge band wagon, but a 180 in an 08 is just too heavy. The OP may have his reasons, but I'm in agreement with Pharm about the 150 ELDX and also the 140 TTSX, if wanting to go heavy for cartridge mono metal. 180 or even 162? Nah... Oh I don't know Lawrence...depends on how far ya wanna shoot it...keeping the distance of PBR to say 250 or less, I think it would be a decent round... a 7/08 with a 180 grainer is certainly more flat shooting and harder hitting, than say a 170 FN in a 30/30... and plenty of deer drop every fall to that combo back east and in the upper midwest... the sectional density, will have it plow thru a lot, as long as the shooter puts it in the right spot... people shooting deer at 300 plus yds is more an anomoly than standard procedure among deer hunters... probably one out of every 100 deer hunters can hit something consistently at 300 yds or further... "Minus the killings, Washington has one of the lowest crime rates in the Country" Marion Barry, Mayor of Wash DC “Owning guns is not a right. If it were a right, it would be in the Constitution.” ~Alexandria Ocasio Cortez

Re: 7-08 - 180 ELD's Higginez #18409261 05/08/23
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drano 25 Campfire Regular D Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 1,372 Likes: 1	Originally Posted by Higginez Shaen is just about finished up with a 20" 7-08 I had him do for me. Planning 180's from the start but will shift gears to 162's if no joy. I've got just enough R-17 to get started but a big pile of R-16. Thinking 17 will be THE one for this but I'll shake down the 16 as well. Anybody running the heavies? 2,500 fps ish? I get stupid good velocities with 6.5 Staball and 162 ELDM in my 22” 7-08 that Shaen built. I’d sure give it a chance with the 180 as well. Don't speculate when you don't know, and don't second guess when you do.

Re: 7-08 - 180 ELD's Higginez #18411363 05/09/23
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65BR Campfire Ranger Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 16,512 Louisiana	D25 - curious about the throating on that rifle, does the 162 touch lands when run thru magazine? What about 120-140/150 class? Curious to hear the specifics of the 'stupid good velocity' with the 162s.

Re: 7-08 - 180 ELD's 65BR #18411749 05/09/23
Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 17,400 Likes: 17 Durham, CA Higginez OP Campfire Ranger
OP Higginez Campfire Ranger Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 17,400 Likes: 17 Durham, CA	Hodgdon data shows 7-08 with a 162 at 2,821 fps with a max charge of StaBall and 24" of tube. That's 60 fps slower than the fastest 280AI data they show for a 162, save for the StaBall load that tops out at 2,957 fps Drano's not kidding. Last edited by Higginez; 05/09/23. Screw you! I'm voting for Trump again! Ecc 10:2 The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but that of a fool to the 24HCF.

Re: 7-08 - 180 ELD's Higginez #18411773 05/09/23
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79S Campfire Ranger 7 Joined: Jul 2005 Posts: 23,537 Likes: 2 Alaska valley trash	I wonder why the F class open goons aren’t shooting the 7-08 with these 180’s???? The big shift in F class is to the 7prc/prcw/fcp..yeah I know this is the big game rifles. But always good to see what the f class guys are cooking up for lr shooting. Originally Posted by Bricktop Then STFU. The rest of your statement is superflous bullshit with no real bearing on this discussion other than to massage your own ego. Suckin' on my titties like you wanted me.

Re: 7-08 - 180 ELD's 65BR #18411966 05/09/23
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drano 25 Campfire Regular D Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 1,372 Likes: 1	Originally Posted by 65BR D25 - curious about the throating on that rifle, does the 162 touch lands when run thru magazine? What about 120-140/150 class? Curious to hear the specifics of the 'stupid good velocity' with the 162s. 162 ELDM, 2785 fps with 47.8 grains of 6.5 Staball. 22” barrel. Chamber is 2.300” to the lands. I’m running a Wyatt’s box, 2.995”. It’s full but no issues observed feeding them. Haven’t tried Staball with anything but the 162. Big Game does well with 120’s and 140’s. Last edited by drano 25; 05/09/23. Don't speculate when you don't know, and don't second guess when you do.

Re: 7-08 - 180 ELD's Higginez #18411999 05/09/23
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drano 25 Campfire Regular D Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 1,372 Likes: 1	Originally Posted by Higginez Hodgdon data shows 7-08 with a 162 at 2,821 fps with a max charge of StaBall and 24" of tube. That's 60 fps slower than the fastest 280AI data they show for a 162, save for the StaBall load that tops out at 2,957 fps Drano's not kidding. I think you noted somewhere that 180’s might kick a bit. My Shaen 08 is 7 lbs 10oz scoped. When pushing 162’s toward 2800 fps, recoil is noticeable, but noticeably less than full house 280AI loads in rifle that weighs a full pound more. Don't speculate when you don't know, and don't second guess when you do.

Re: 7-08 - 180 ELD's 65BR #18412040 05/09/23
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drano 25 Campfire Regular D Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 1,372 Likes: 1	65BR, below is the pic I sent Shaen when discussing chamber/throat length with him. Thanks to BSA, I was able to get these measurements BEFORE getting chamber cut. I was struggling to find some 162’s in stock and he kindly shared some with me for some dummy rounds. Don't speculate when you don't know, and don't second guess when you do.

Re: 7-08 - 180 ELD's drano 25 #18412337 05/10/23
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beretzs Campfire Ranger B Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 15,376 Likes: 13 Northeast USA	Originally Posted by drano 25 Originally Posted by 65BR D25 - curious about the throating on that rifle, does the 162 touch lands when run thru magazine? What about 120-140/150 class? Curious to hear the specifics of the 'stupid good velocity' with the 162s. 162 ELDM, 2785 fps with 47.8 grains of 6.5 Staball. 22” barrel. Chamber is 2.300” to the lands. I’m running a Wyatt’s box, 2.995”. It’s full but no issues observed feeding them. Haven’t tried Staball with anything but the 162. Big Game does well with 120’s and 140’s. Thanks for that. I know where I'll be starting in my Montana. Semper Fi

Re: 7-08 - 180 ELD's drano 25 #18417016 05/11/23
Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 16,512 Louisiana 65BR Campfire Ranger
65BR Campfire Ranger Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 16,512 Louisiana	Originally Posted by drano 25 Originally Posted by 65BR D25 - curious about the throating on that rifle, does the 162 touch lands when run thru magazine? What about 120-140/150 class? Curious to hear the specifics of the 'stupid good velocity' with the 162s. 162 ELDM, 2785 fps with 47.8 grains of 6.5 Staball. 22” barrel. Chamber is 2.300” to the lands. I’m running a Wyatt’s box, 2.995”. It’s full but no issues observed feeding them. Haven’t tried Staball with anything but the 162. Big Game does well with 120’s and 140’s. Nice speeds, what barrel and twist are you running? BTW, I ran a 7RM long ago, Hornady 162 BTSP, backed down to 2,860.

Re: 7-08 - 180 ELD's 65BR #18417132 05/11/23
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drano 25 Campfire Regular D Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 1,372 Likes: 1	Rock Creek, 1:9” Don't speculate when you don't know, and don't second guess when you do.

Re: 7-08 - 180 ELD's Higginez #18420035 05/13/23
Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 16,512 Louisiana 65BR Campfire Ranger
65BR Campfire Ranger Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 16,512 Louisiana	I am sure it stacks 'em, nice.

Re: 7-08 - 180 ELD's 79S #18421951 05/13/23
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WEL Campfire Member W Joined: Aug 2013 Posts: 205	Originally Posted by 79S I wonder why the F class open goons aren’t shooting the 7-08 with these 180’s???? The big shift in F class is to the 7prc/prcw/fcp..yeah I know this is the big game rifles. But always good to see what the f class guys are cooking up for lr shooting. Because you cant push the heavies fast enough with the 7/08.

Re: 7-08 - 180 ELD's Higginez #18422322 05/14/23
Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 58,794 Likes: 63 Paradise,Alaska Big Stick Campfire Kahuna
Big Stick Campfire Kahuna Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 58,794 Likes: 63 Paradise,Alaska	180's will easily make 2600fps and the .796 BC carries rather well. Hint................ Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."

Re: 7-08 - 180 ELD's Higginez #18422854 05/14/23
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robertham1 Campfire Regular R Joined: Dec 2013 Posts: 2,477 Likes: 5 California	Any stabilization issues with Hornady 180’s in a factory 1:9 7-08 Montana? Last edited by robertham1; 05/14/23.

Re: 7-08 - 180 ELD's Higginez #18422863 05/14/23
Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 58,794 Likes: 63 Paradise,Alaska Big Stick Campfire Kahuna
Big Stick Campfire Kahuna Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 58,794 Likes: 63 Paradise,Alaska	"Stability" isn't the issue...mag constraints are. A true 9" will stabilize 180's. Hint................ Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."

Re: 7-08 - 180 ELD's Higginez #18423472 05/14/23
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robertham1 Campfire Regular R Joined: Dec 2013 Posts: 2,477 Likes: 5 California	I don’t have the Montana in hand yet to take measurements, as mail is taking it’s time- Will 180’s fit in a 7-08 Montanas mag? Not sure if I should be going 162’s or 180’s.

Re: 7-08 - 180 ELD's Higginez #18423607 05/14/23
Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 58,794 Likes: 63 Paradise,Alaska Big Stick Campfire Kahuna
Big Stick Campfire Kahuna Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 58,794 Likes: 63 Paradise,Alaska	84M and 84L mag confines are Itty Bitty and Schityy. Hint. 162's plug the fhuqking landing in a 2.815" 'box. Hint................. Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."

Re: 7-08 - 180 ELD's Higginez #18423640 05/14/23
Joined: Dec 2013 Posts: 2,477 Likes: 5 California R robertham1 Campfire Regular
robertham1 Campfire Regular R Joined: Dec 2013 Posts: 2,477 Likes: 5 California	Thanks

Re: 7-08 - 180 ELD's Higginez #18423738 05/14/23
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christian1 Campfire Greenhorn C Joined: Feb 2023 Posts: 26 SE WI	Originally Posted by Higginez I wanna try some 180's to see if I can get them to speeds that will trump the 162's. I'm looking for data. Do you have any? this

Re: 7-08 - 180 ELD's Higginez #18628971 07/31/23
Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 17,400 Likes: 17 Durham, CA Higginez OP Campfire Ranger
OP Higginez Campfire Ranger Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 17,400 Likes: 17 Durham, CA	I have the 180 ELD's scootin 2,550 fps with 43 gr of RL-16. It's a bit compressed which sucks, but it's what I got for now. Screw you! I'm voting for Trump again! Ecc 10:2 The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but that of a fool to the 24HCF.

Re: 7-08 - 180 ELD's Higginez #18629209 07/31/23
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elkaddict Campfire Regular E Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 866	I can’t speak to the 180s, but I’m pleased with what I’m seeing with 160 SGKs and RL26. Out of 22”T3x, they are shooting over 2800. For my hunting purposes where ranges average 300 or so, I’m thinking they have potential. I’m using Mountain Tactical GEN2 mags which permit 3.00 COAL. What these do at ranges beyond 450yds are of no concern to me as I would use something else for longer range.

Re: 7-08 - 180 ELD's Higginez #18632556 08/01/23
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RinB Campfire Tracker R Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 3,518 Likes: 1	EVERYONE Please describe the terminal on game performance of the 180 Match bullet which all of you are discussing. Actual data…no conjecture. If your experience is confined to punching targets, please so state. Last edited by RinB; 08/01/23. “Perfection is achieved not when there is nothing more to add, but when there is nothing left to take away”. Antoine de Saint-Exupery. Posted by Brad.

Re: 7-08 - 180 ELD's RinB #18632751 08/01/23
Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 17,400 Likes: 17 Durham, CA Higginez OP Campfire Ranger
OP Higginez Campfire Ranger Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 17,400 Likes: 17 Durham, CA	Originally Posted by RinB EVERYONE Please describe the terminal on game performance of the 180 Match bullet which all of you are discussing. Actual data…no conjecture. If your experience is confined to punching targets, please so state. I have a better idea. Start your own thread or try a search. Screw you! I'm voting for Trump again! Ecc 10:2 The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but that of a fool to the 24HCF.

Re: 7-08 - 180 ELD's Higginez #18633233 08/01/23
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drano 25 Campfire Regular D Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 1,372 Likes: 1	Originally Posted by Higginez I have the 180 ELD's scootin 2,550 fps with 43 gr of RL-16. It's a bit compressed which sucks, but it's what I got for now. I’ve run out of space before I ran into pressure with RL16 before. In a 6.5 Creedmoor if I recall correctly. Don't speculate when you don't know, and don't second guess when you do.

Re: 7-08 - 180 ELD's drano 25 #18633248 08/01/23
Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 17,400 Likes: 17 Durham, CA Higginez OP Campfire Ranger
OP Higginez Campfire Ranger Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 17,400 Likes: 17 Durham, CA	Originally Posted by drano 25 Originally Posted by Higginez I have the 180 ELD's scootin 2,550 fps with 43 gr of RL-16. It's a bit compressed which sucks, but it's what I got for now. I’ve run out of space before I ran into pressure with RL16 before. In a 6.5 Creedmoor if I recall correctly. Same here on .22br. Shot amazing though! Screw you! I'm voting for Trump again! Ecc 10:2 The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but that of a fool to the 24HCF.

Re: 7-08 - 180 ELD's Higginez #18638049 08/03/23
Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 17,400 Likes: 17 Durham, CA Higginez OP Campfire Ranger
OP Higginez Campfire Ranger Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 17,400 Likes: 17 Durham, CA	Well what do you know? Stick was right about that RL17! LOL Screw you! I'm voting for Trump again! Ecc 10:2 The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but that of a fool to the 24HCF.

Re: 7-08 - 180 ELD's Higginez #18638069 08/03/23
Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 58,794 Likes: 63 Paradise,Alaska Big Stick Campfire Kahuna
Big Stick Campfire Kahuna Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 58,794 Likes: 63 Paradise,Alaska	I've found it a rather nice place to be for Accuracy,Precision,ES,SD,fending atmospherics,shootability and terminal effects. Hint................ Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."

Re: 7-08 - 180 ELD's Higginez #18638090 08/03/23
Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 17,400 Likes: 17 Durham, CA Higginez OP Campfire Ranger
OP Higginez Campfire Ranger Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 17,400 Likes: 17 Durham, CA	16 was showing low and I mean LOW spreads. The compressed loads compromising seating depths is not a great place to be. Need to find some 17. 43 gr went 2,666 and I shut things down. Screw you! I'm voting for Trump again! Ecc 10:2 The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but that of a fool to the 24HCF.

Re: 7-08 - 180 ELD's Higginez #18638099 08/03/23
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OP Higginez Campfire Ranger Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 17,400 Likes: 17 Durham, CA	Didn’t seem to mind the Magneto hanging off the bbl as much either. Screw you! I'm voting for Trump again! Ecc 10:2 The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but that of a fool to the 24HCF.

Re: 7-08 - 180 ELD's Higginez #18638126 08/03/23
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Big Stick Campfire Kahuna Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 58,794 Likes: 63 Paradise,Alaska	I don't even shoot through any of my (3) chronographs any more. Ballistics AE and erectors of repute,retired 'em all. Hint. Kiss,find pressure and rock on. Gun a zero,then shoot generated DOPE,to near the Transonic Slip. Bullet flight can't paint a picture,which ain't a simplistic fact. Hint. Had the newest 270 out this morning,chasing a rooted ceiling,doing just that to 1250yds. Hint. The 7-08/180 ELD melding,is BIG Medicine and tough not to love. You'll be doing a Hurricane Dance,just to keep schit resembling an inkling of "fairness". It fhuqks with heads. Hint...................(grin) Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."

Re: 7-08 - 180 ELD's Higginez #18644184 08/05/23
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Dixie_Rebel Campfire Tracker D Joined: Jan 2009 Posts: 3,447 Florida	I would never try heavy 180 grain bullets out of a 7mm-08. They are far too heavy for the case capacity and turtle speed velocities they would get, but this is my guess only as I have never tried bowling balls out of my 7mm-08 rifles. YMMV. Liberalism is a cancer Support Christian Family values

Re: 7-08 - 180 ELD's Higginez #18644261 08/05/23
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Jason280 Campfire Tracker J Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 4,687 Georgia	Interesting discussion. I have two rifles built in 7mm-08, both primarily for paper and/or steel. The first is a 22" Bartlein on a 700 short action (standard box magazine), the other is a 26" Bartlein on a Defiance action with AICS mags. I picked up a decent amount of Hornady 162s, Sierra 168s, and Nosler CC 175s, but haven't had much time lately to really see what they will do. I'd originally planned on using them with StaBall 6.5, it seems to give the best numbers, but also want to try with H100v and some sort of Norma 204 equivalent I snagged last week.

Re: 7-08 - 180 ELD's Dixie_Rebel #18644345 08/05/23
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drano 25 Campfire Regular D Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 1,372 Likes: 1	Originally Posted by Dixie_Rebel I would never try heavy 180 grain bullets out of a 7mm-08. They are far too heavy for the case capacity and turtle speed velocities they would get, but this is my guess only as I have never tried bowling balls out of my 7mm-08 rifles. YMMV. A 120 - 140 grain bullet in 7mm diameter is gonna have shape and flight characteristics much more akin to a bowling ball than a 180 ELDM. Don't speculate when you don't know, and don't second guess when you do.

Re: 7-08 - 180 ELD's Higginez #18644493 08/05/23
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Big Stick Campfire Kahuna Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 58,794 Likes: 63 Paradise,Alaska	As plainly cited,the 180 ELD ala 7-08 fhuqks with heads,especially pointy ones. Hint. Starting velocity,ain't impact velocity and that too,escapes most. Hint................. Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."

Re: 7-08 - 180 ELD's Higginez #18648843 08/07/23
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rickt300 Campfire Outfitter R Joined: Oct 2002 Posts: 13,535 Likes: 4 Texas	Originally Posted by Higginez Well what do you know? Stick was right about that RL17! LOL Yep the worst thing about stick is not the part about him being right occasionally. Dog I rescued in January

Re: 7-08 - 180 ELD's Big Stick #18648848 08/07/23
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rickt300 Campfire Outfitter R Joined: Oct 2002 Posts: 13,535 Likes: 4 Texas	Originally Posted by Big Stick I don't even shoot through any of my (3) chronographs any more. Ballistics AE and erectors of repute,retired 'em all. Hint. Kiss,find pressure and rock on. Gun a zero,then shoot generated DOPE,to near the Transonic Slip. Bullet flight can't paint a picture,which ain't a simplistic fact. Hint. Had the newest 270 out this morning,chasing a rooted ceiling,doing just that to 1250yds. Hint. The 7-08/180 ELD melding,is BIG Medicine and tough not to love. You'll be doing a Hurricane Dance,just to keep schit resembling an inkling of "fairness". It fhuqks with heads. Hint...................(grin) You left out the dead fish......... Dog I rescued in January

Re: 7-08 - 180 ELD's Higginez #18648854 08/07/23
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Big Stick Campfire Kahuna Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 58,794 Likes: 63 Paradise,Alaska	Rickity, My connect percentage is without peer,simply because I'm afforded the luxuries of not being forced to guess. That as opposed to say a Texan,who's ONLY "move" is to guess. Pardon my simply shooting it all,as you grasp for straws,with trembling fingers. Hint. That besides being a Lying Piece Of Fhuqking Schit. Hint. Fhuqking LAUGHING!................. Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."

Re: 7-08 - 180 ELD's Higginez #18648860 08/07/23
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rickt300 Campfire Outfitter R Joined: Oct 2002 Posts: 13,535 Likes: 4 Texas	About that dead fish........ Dog I rescued in January

Re: 7-08 - 180 ELD's Big Stick #18648868 08/07/23
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rickt300 Campfire Outfitter R Joined: Oct 2002 Posts: 13,535 Likes: 4 Texas	Originally Posted by Big Stick Rickity, My connect percentage is without peer,simply because I'm afforded the luxuries of not being forced to guess. That as opposed to say a Texan,who's ONLY "move" is to guess. Pardon my simply shooting it all,as you grasp for straws,with trembling fingers. Hint. That besides being a Lying Piece Of Fhuqking Schit. Hint. Fhuqking LAUGHING!................. That Spruce sawdust is some serious schit, that isn't and was never an avatar. Your avatar is up there under your screen name. About that dead fish......... Dog I rescued in January

Re: 7-08 - 180 ELD's Higginez #18648871 08/07/23
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Big Stick Campfire Kahuna Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 58,794 Likes: 63 Paradise,Alaska	Rickety, You be SURE to "justify" your being a CLUELESS Lying Piece Of Fhuqking Schit,in the manner which soothes you most. Steal a couple more pics along the way,beings it's your only "move". Hint. Fhuqking LAUGHING!.............. Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."

Re: 7-08 - 180 ELD's Higginez #18648959 08/07/23
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rickt300 Campfire Outfitter R Joined: Oct 2002 Posts: 13,535 Likes: 4 Texas	Still no dead fish? Dog I rescued in January

Re: 7-08 - 180 ELD's Higginez #18649030 08/07/23
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Big Stick Campfire Kahuna Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 58,794 Likes: 63 Paradise,Alaska	Rickety, Keep "living" vicariously,like a baby bird with her neck craned and mouth agape...you "lucky" kchunt. Hint. Congratulations?!? Be sure to start a Thread on The BIG Day,when you see your first 180 ELD,or go Outdoors. Hint. Bless your Whining Brokedick Lying Heart. Hint. Fhuqking LAUGHING!............ Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."

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rickt300 Campfire Outfitter R Joined: Oct 2002 Posts: 13,535 Likes: 4 Texas	Ha ha ha too funny. This one isn't dead though. Dog I rescued in January

Re: 7-08 - 180 ELD's Higginez #18649067 08/07/23
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Big Stick Campfire Kahuna Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 58,794 Likes: 63 Paradise,Alaska	This one isn't either. Hint. How come the water is so steep? Is it to drain all of your Whining Insecurity Tears...you "lucky" kchunt. Hint. Congratulations?!? Bless your Whining Brokedick Lying Heart. Hint. Fhuqking LAUGHING!............ Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."

Re: 7-08 - 180 ELD's Higginez #18649292 08/07/23
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OP Higginez Campfire Ranger Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 17,400 Likes: 17 Durham, CA	.795 G1 is an eye opener and thinking the nay sayers would be eating their words with one pull of the trigger. This rifle was intended to be a 7 Saum from the start and mechanics made me change direction. Glad I did as the 250 fps is just not that necessary imho. Screw you! I'm voting for Trump again! Ecc 10:2 The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but that of a fool to the 24HCF.

Re: 7-08 - 180 ELD's Higginez #18649361 08/07/23
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Potsy Campfire Regular P Joined: Sep 2013 Posts: 1,560 Likes: 2 Middle TN	Y’all are killing me. I’ve got a #1A 7x57 with a 2-7 Monarch (a rig Stick is SURE to love!🤣) and you’ve got ME wanting to try the damn things. I do know that a 175 Game Kings and 175 Hornady RN’s at 2500 will trash everything between the ribs on a big (for Tennessee) whitetail. Operating under the assumption that Ruger’s 1:8.75” twist will spin them. Where I’m at now, I might even have to shoot a deer all the way to 150 yards!😂

Re: 7-08 - 180 ELD's Higginez #18649723 08/07/23
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Big Stick Campfire Kahuna Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 58,794 Likes: 63 Paradise,Alaska	I've long been content,to align mechanical dots and let the bullet do the work. As mentioned several times,the 7-08/180 ELD melding,straight fhuqks with heads and nobody can believe it. Hint. With that being said,I've been on the hunt for 84L Donor and when noone was looking,I'd turn it into a duped/shorten shanked 22" 1-8" RPM Seven Times Fifty-Seven Mouser,for 180's expressly. Lapooey Virgins,Skookum dies and lotsa 180's lay patiently in wait. Hint. You are on solid ground,if a TRUE 8.75". Hint............ Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."

Re: 7-08 - 180 ELD's Big Stick #18649735 08/07/23
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beretzs Campfire Ranger B Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 15,376 Likes: 13 Northeast USA	Originally Posted by Big Stick I've long been content,to align mechanical dots and let the bullet do the work. As mentioned several times,the 7-08/180 ELD melding,straight fhuqks with heads and nobody can believe it. Hint. With that being said,I've been on the hunt for 84L Donor and when noone was looking,I'd turn it into a duped/shorten shanked 22" 1-8" RPM Seven Times Fifty-Seven Mouser,for 180's expressly. Lapooey Virgins,Skookum dies and lotsa 180's lay patiently in wait. Hint. You are on solid ground,if a TRUE 8.75". Hint............ I am looking for the same one.. I think it'd be a hummer. Semper Fi

Re: 7-08 - 180 ELD's Higginez #18651654 08/08/23
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rickt300 Campfire Outfitter R Joined: Oct 2002 Posts: 13,535 Likes: 4 Texas	Seems it might be a bit better out of a 280 or 280AI. You could get the same fps and be easy on your brass or get more fps and gain what that might give you. Dog I rescued in January

Re: 7-08 - 180 ELD's Higginez #18651688 08/08/23
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Big Stick Campfire Kahuna Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 58,794 Likes: 63 Paradise,Alaska	Rickety, You are guessing again/still. Mechanics matter,whether you "understand" or not...you "lucky" kchunt. Hint. Congratulations?!? Bless your poor poor(literally) heart,for trying though. This is a GREAT time(like always),for you to simply shut the fhuqk up,take notes and apply same. HINT. Fhuqking LAUGHING!................ Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."

Re: 7-08 - 180 ELD's Big Stick #18651705 08/08/23
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rickt300 Campfire Outfitter R Joined: Oct 2002 Posts: 13,535 Likes: 4 Texas	Originally Posted by Big Stick Rickety, You are guessing again/still. Mechanics matter,whether you "understand" or not...you "lucky" kchunt. Hint. Congratulations?!? Bless your poor poor(literally) heart,for trying though. This is a GREAT time(like always),for you to simply shut the fhuqk up,take notes and apply same. HINT. Fhuqking LAUGHING!................ A few more feet per second never hurts, what happened to that heavy 280 you built on a Ruger action? That was supposed to be your special long range gun. Or was that some delusion on your part? Dog I rescued in January

Re: 7-08 - 180 ELD's Higginez #18651772 08/08/23
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Big Stick Campfire Kahuna Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 58,794 Likes: 63 Paradise,Alaska	Rickety, Your Imagination and Pretend are again taking you to places that don't exist...you "lucky" kchunt. Hint. Congratulations?!? I get how rewarding it is for someone like you,to try and rub shoulders with me,but you are a Fhuqking CLUELESS Idiot and sucking the wrong ass. Hint. As plainly cited,mechanics matter and you really should shut the fhuqk up,take notes and apply same. You couldn't connect the first fhuqking dot,to the second,less someone holding your trembling hand. I of course have multiple Heavy 280's,but a Ruger isn't even fhuqking viable,just like you. That again due mechanics. Hint. Keep "living" vicariously,you sappy Brokedick Whining CLUELESS Fhuqk. Hint. Fhuqking LAUGHING!................ Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."

Re: 7-08 - 180 ELD's Higginez #18651885 08/08/23
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rickt300 Campfire Outfitter R Joined: Oct 2002 Posts: 13,535 Likes: 4 Texas	Well then why are you so hot on the 7-08 as opposed to a fast twist 280? And if the 7-08 is superior why build the 280's? Why the funny looking bolt knob? Why argue against a 280 pushing the bullet of interest? Dog I rescued in January

Re: 7-08 - 180 ELD's Higginez #18651971 08/08/23
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Big Stick Campfire Kahuna Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 58,794 Likes: 63 Paradise,Alaska	Rickety, You be sure to keep Pretending and espousing your GoogleFu aloud(though it's your only "move")...you "lucky" kchunt. Hint. Congratulations?!? Mechanics matter. Read that again. Now one more time. Hint. Bullets matter more than headstamps. Hint. A chambering can be no better than it's projectile. Hint. The 7-08's best pitch,is the 180 ELD. I shoot a "few". Hint. The 7-08AI's best pitch,is the 180 ELD. I shoot that too. Hint. The 84L's COAL confines are wayyyyyyyyyy too trite for a 280 and a 180,or anything else worth a fhuqk. Thus the Seven Times Fifty-Seven nudge,as that transition essentialy lengthens COAL .300". Hint. Ruger's are wayyyyyyyyyyy too short too. Hint. If/when you wish to schlep a L/A .284",you need the RPM,COAL and throat geometry to jive. That means 700 and I shoot a "few". Big Green 280's and 7mm RemMags will stabilize,Smooch and feed 180's in issued guise. Hint. You CLUELESS Drooling Retards are a fhuqking HOOT! Hint. Keep "living" vicariously,you sappy Brokedick Whining CLUELESS Fhuqk. Hint. Fhuqking LAUGHING!................ Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."

Re: 7-08 - 180 ELD's Higginez #18652945 08/08/23
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OP Higginez Campfire Ranger Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 17,400 Likes: 17 Durham, CA	6 Arc - 108 gr @ 2,600 fps .224 Valkyrie - 90 gr @ 2,600 fps .308 Win - 168 gr @ 2,600 fps Yeah, a 7-08 with a 180 @ 2,600 fps and a .796 G1 makes no sense to the 24HCF! Sheesh! Screw you! I'm voting for Trump again! Ecc 10:2 The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but that of a fool to the 24HCF.

Re: 7-08 - 180 ELD's Higginez #18653027 08/08/23
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beretzs Campfire Ranger B Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 15,376 Likes: 13 Northeast USA	Originally Posted by Higginez 6 Arc - 108 gr @ 2,600 fps .224 Valkyrie - 90 gr @ 2,600 fps .308 Win - 168 gr @ 2,600 fps Yeah, a 7-08 with a 180 @ 2,600 fps and a .796 G1 makes no sense to the 24HCF! Sheesh! To add to that the 200 grain bullet from an 06 is just about tripped over by folks think it’s so perfect but anything else falls out of the sky at 2600… Semper Fi

Re: 7-08 - 180 ELD's Higginez #18654721 08/09/23
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rickt300 Campfire Outfitter R Joined: Oct 2002 Posts: 13,535 Likes: 4 Texas	Originally Posted by Higginez 6 Arc - 108 gr @ 2,600 fps .224 Valkyrie - 90 gr @ 2,600 fps .308 Win - 168 gr @ 2,600 fps Yeah, a 7-08 with a 180 @ 2,600 fps and a .796 G1 makes no sense to the 24HCF! Sheesh! I like the concept but why use a bullet that can only be magazine fed in a short action if so deeply seated. Why not run it in a long action with just a bit more powder room? And if you have a long action there are cases out there offering that powder capacity. Dog I rescued in January

Re: 7-08 - 180 ELD's Big Stick #18654729 08/09/23
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rickt300 Campfire Outfitter R Joined: Oct 2002 Posts: 13,535 Likes: 4 Texas	Originally Posted by Big Stick Rickety, You be sure to keep Pretending and espousing your GoogleFu aloud(though it's your only "move")...you "lucky" kchunt. Hint. Congratulations?!? Mechanics matter. Read that again. Now one more time. Hint. Bullets matter more than headstamps. Hint. A chambering can be no better than it's projectile. Hint. The 7-08's best pitch,is the 180 ELD. I shoot a "few". Hint. The 7-08AI's best pitch,is the 180 ELD. I shoot that too. Hint. The 84L's COAL confines are wayyyyyyyyyy too trite for a 280 and a 180,or anything else worth a fhuqk. Thus the Seven Times Fifty-Seven nudge,as that transition essentialy lengthens COAL .300". Hint. Ruger's are wayyyyyyyyyyy too short too. Hint. If/when you wish to schlep a L/A .284",you need the RPM,COAL and throat geometry to jive. That means 700 and I shoot a "few". Big Green 280's and 7mm RemMags will stabilize,Smooch and feed 180's in issued guise. Hint. You CLUELESS Drooling Retards are a fhuqking HOOT! Hint. Keep "living" vicariously,you sappy Brokedick Whining CLUELESS Fhuqk. Hint. Fhuqking LAUGHING!................ So if you are so smart why did you fool with the Ruger action? Sure if all I did was shoot from the bench single feeding rounds would be fine. Dog I rescued in January

Re: 7-08 - 180 ELD's rickt300 #18654738 08/09/23
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mathman Campfire 'Bwana M Joined: Jun 2004 Posts: 44,939 Likes: 24	Originally Posted by rickt300 I like the concept but why use a bullet that can only be magazine fed in a short action if so deeply seated. Why not run it in a long action with just a bit more powder room? And if you have a long action there are cases out there offering that powder capacity. Maybe what more powder room may provide isn't what's wanted. I have a Rem 700 in 30-06, but it doesn't keep me from enjoying what I do with my Rem 700 in 300 Savage.

Re: 7-08 - 180 ELD's mathman #18666914 08/13/23
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rickt300 Campfire Outfitter R Joined: Oct 2002 Posts: 13,535 Likes: 4 Texas	Originally Posted by mathman Originally Posted by rickt300 I like the concept but why use a bullet that can only be magazine fed in a short action if so deeply seated. Why not run it in a long action with just a bit more powder room? And if you have a long action there are cases out there offering that powder capacity. Maybe what more powder room may provide isn't what's wanted. I have a Rem 700 in 30-06, but it doesn't keep me from enjoying what I do with my Rem 700 in 300 Savage. True but you are not trying to shoot super high BC bullets out of your 300 Savage either. As long as you get proper case fill you can make up some 7-08 velocity loads in a 280 that are very accurate. I don't shoot past 600 yards so I can get by with shorter bullets. How much bullet has to be down past the shoulder to equate to the "minor ballistic crime" alluded to by Jack O'Connor? Last edited by rickt300; 08/13/23. Dog I rescued in January

Re: 7-08 - 180 ELD's rickt300 #18666972 08/13/23
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mathman Campfire 'Bwana M Joined: Jun 2004 Posts: 44,939 Likes: 24	Originally Posted by rickt300 Originally Posted by mathman Originally Posted by rickt300 I like the concept but why use a bullet that can only be magazine fed in a short action if so deeply seated. Why not run it in a long action with just a bit more powder room? And if you have a long action there are cases out there offering that powder capacity. Maybe what more powder room may provide isn't what's wanted. I have a Rem 700 in 30-06, but it doesn't keep me from enjoying what I do with my Rem 700 in 300 Savage. True but you are not trying to shoot super high BC bullets out of your 300 Savage either. As long as you get proper case fill you can make up some 7-08 velocity loads in a 280 that are very accurate. I don't shoot past 600 yards so I can get by with shorter bullets. How much bullet has to be down past the shoulder to equate to the "minor ballistic crime" alluded to by Jack O'Connor? Is that so? Half of those certainly aren't Power Points. Last edited by mathman; 08/13/23.

Re: 7-08 - 180 ELD's Higginez #18667004 08/13/23
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beretzs Campfire Ranger B Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 15,376 Likes: 13 Northeast USA	What bullet MM? That makes the 300 Savage look cooler yet! Semper Fi

Re: 7-08 - 180 ELD's beretzs #18667039 08/13/23
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mathman Campfire 'Bwana M Joined: Jun 2004 Posts: 44,939 Likes: 24	Berger VLD

Re: 7-08 - 180 ELD's mathman #18667050 08/13/23
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beretzs Campfire Ranger B Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 15,376 Likes: 13 Northeast USA	Originally Posted by mathman Berger VLD Very cool. Looks plenty modern for its age with those big VLDs hanging out front. Semper Fi

Re: 7-08 - 180 ELD's mathman #18667069 08/13/23
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rickt300 Campfire Outfitter R Joined: Oct 2002 Posts: 13,535 Likes: 4 Texas	Originally Posted by mathman Originally Posted by rickt300 Originally Posted by mathman Originally Posted by rickt300 I like the concept but why use a bullet that can only be magazine fed in a short action if so deeply seated. Why not run it in a long action with just a bit more powder room? And if you have a long action there are cases out there offering that powder capacity. Maybe what more powder room may provide isn't what's wanted. I have a Rem 700 in 30-06, but it doesn't keep me from enjoying what I do with my Rem 700 in 300 Savage. True but you are not trying to shoot super high BC bullets out of your 300 Savage either. As long as you get proper case fill you can make up some 7-08 velocity loads in a 280 that are very accurate. I don't shoot past 600 yards so I can get by with shorter bullets. How much bullet has to be down past the shoulder to equate to the "minor ballistic crime" alluded to by Jack O'Connor? Is that so? Half of those certainly aren't Power Points. Nope but I bet they are not .796 BC either. Dog I rescued in January

Re: 7-08 - 180 ELD's beretzs #18667075 08/13/23
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rickt300 Campfire Outfitter R Joined: Oct 2002 Posts: 13,535 Likes: 4 Texas	Originally Posted by beretzs Originally Posted by mathman Berger VLD Very cool. Looks plenty modern for its age with those big VLDs hanging out front. The 300 Savage and the 250 Savage were our first modern short action cartridges. Especially the 300, short with a sharp shoulder. Dog I rescued in January

Re: 7-08 - 180 ELD's rickt300 #18667130 08/13/23
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mathman Campfire 'Bwana M Joined: Jun 2004 Posts: 44,939 Likes: 24	No, but same concept. I'm interested in extracting a certain level of performance for a modest amount of powder and recoil. If all I was interested in was max velocity downrange I'd load another cartridge.

Re: 7-08 - 180 ELD's rickt300 #18667272 08/13/23
Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 58,794 Likes: 63 Paradise,Alaska Big Stick Campfire Kahuna
Big Stick Campfire Kahuna Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 58,794 Likes: 63 Paradise,Alaska	Originally Posted by rickt300 Originally Posted by Big Stick Rickety, You be sure to keep Pretending and espousing your GoogleFu aloud(though it's your only "move")...you "lucky" kchunt. Hint. Congratulations?!? Mechanics matter. Read that again. Now one more time. Hint. Bullets matter more than headstamps. Hint. A chambering can be no better than it's projectile. Hint. The 7-08's best pitch,is the 180 ELD. I shoot a "few". Hint. The 7-08AI's best pitch,is the 180 ELD. I shoot that too. Hint. The 84L's COAL confines are wayyyyyyyyyy too trite for a 280 and a 180,or anything else worth a fhuqk. Thus the Seven Times Fifty-Seven nudge,as that transition essentialy lengthens COAL .300". Hint. Ruger's are wayyyyyyyyyyy too short too. Hint. If/when you wish to schlep a L/A .284",you need the RPM,COAL and throat geometry to jive. That means 700 and I shoot a "few". Big Green 280's and 7mm RemMags will stabilize,Smooch and feed 180's in issued guise. Hint. You CLUELESS Drooling Retards are a fhuqking HOOT! Hint. Keep "living" vicariously,you sappy Brokedick Whining CLUELESS Fhuqk. Hint. Fhuqking LAUGHING!................ So if you are so smart why did you fool with the Ruger action? Sure if all I did was shoot from the bench single feeding rounds would be fine. Rickety, The Ruger Fascinations are your's and your Imagination and Pretend are taking you places,which don't exist...you "lucky" kchunt. Hint. Congratulations?!? If you shot at all,you simply wouldn't say ANY of the AMAZINGLY Fhuqking Stupid Schit you do. You'd do well,to simply take notes,apply same and connect the first dot of your "life". Read that again. Now one more time. Hint. Bless your poor poor(literally) heart,for your Brokedick Day Dreaming Delusions. Hint. Fhuqking LAUGHING!......................... Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."

Re: 7-08 - 180 ELD's Higginez #18667698 08/13/23
Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 17,400 Likes: 17 Durham, CA Higginez OP Campfire Ranger
OP Higginez Campfire Ranger Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 17,400 Likes: 17 Durham, CA	Stick, The 180's at 2,600 fps are indeed "like cheating." It's gonna take a few more rounds not to instinctively hold too much wind. LOL The good old days eh? Big grin. Screw you! I'm voting for Trump again! Ecc 10:2 The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but that of a fool to the 24HCF.

Re: 7-08 - 180 ELD's Higginez #18668139 08/14/23
Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 58,794 Likes: 63 Paradise,Alaska Big Stick Campfire Kahuna
Big Stick Campfire Kahuna Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 58,794 Likes: 63 Paradise,Alaska	Toss a dozen or so different rifles/chamberings in the fray,on a less than perfect day and it'll rise to the top by default. Hint......................... Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."

Re: 7-08 - 180 ELD's Higginez #18669183 08/14/23
Joined: Sep 2004 Posts: 17,478 Likes: 4 D David_Walter Campfire Ranger
David_Walter Campfire Ranger D Joined: Sep 2004 Posts: 17,478 Likes: 4	What twists will stabilize the one 180s in a 7–08? Will a 9 1/4 do “Live free or die. Death is not the worst of evils.” - General John Stark.

Re: 7-08 - 180 ELD's David_Walter #18669218 08/14/23
Joined: Jun 2004 Posts: 44,939 Likes: 24 M mathman Campfire 'Bwana
mathman Campfire 'Bwana M Joined: Jun 2004 Posts: 44,939 Likes: 24	Hornady says 1 in 8" or tighter.

Re: 7-08 - 180 ELD's Big Stick #18669825 08/14/23
Joined: Oct 2002 Posts: 13,535 Likes: 4 Texas R rickt300 Campfire Outfitter
rickt300 Campfire Outfitter R Joined: Oct 2002 Posts: 13,535 Likes: 4 Texas	Originally Posted by Big Stick Originally Posted by rickt300 Originally Posted by Big Stick Rickety, You be sure to keep Pretending and espousing your GoogleFu aloud(though it's your only "move")...you "lucky" kchunt. Hint. Congratulations?!? Mechanics matter. Read that again. Now one more time. Hint. Bullets matter more than headstamps. Hint. A chambering can be no better than it's projectile. Hint. The 7-08's best pitch,is the 180 ELD. I shoot a "few". Hint. The 7-08AI's best pitch,is the 180 ELD. I shoot that too. Hint. The 84L's COAL confines are wayyyyyyyyyy too trite for a 280 and a 180,or anything else worth a fhuqk. Thus the Seven Times Fifty-Seven nudge,as that transition essentialy lengthens COAL .300". Hint. Ruger's are wayyyyyyyyyyy too short too. Hint. If/when you wish to schlep a L/A .284",you need the RPM,COAL and throat geometry to jive. That means 700 and I shoot a "few". Big Green 280's and 7mm RemMags will stabilize,Smooch and feed 180's in issued guise. Hint. You CLUELESS Drooling Retards are a fhuqking HOOT! Hint. Keep "living" vicariously,you sappy Brokedick Whining CLUELESS Fhuqk. Hint. Fhuqking LAUGHING!................ So if you are so smart why did you fool with the Ruger action? Sure if all I did was shoot from the bench single feeding rounds would be fine. Rickety, The Ruger Fascinations are your's and your Imagination and Pretend are taking you places,which don't exist...you "lucky" kchunt. Hint. Congratulations?!? If you shot at all,you simply wouldn't say ANY of the AMAZINGLY Fhuqking Stupid Schit you do. You'd do well,to simply take notes,apply same and connect the first dot of your "life". Read that again. Now one more time. Hint. Bless your poor poor(literally) heart,for your Brokedick Day Dreaming Delusions. Hint. Fhuqking LAUGHING!......................... You are losing it Stick. Dog I rescued in January

Re: 7-08 - 180 ELD's Higginez #18671160 08/15/23
Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 58,794 Likes: 63 Paradise,Alaska Big Stick Campfire Kahuna
Big Stick Campfire Kahuna Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 58,794 Likes: 63 Paradise,Alaska	Rickety, I reckon it plum flattering,that your Brokedicktitude can't even begin to fathom the magnitude...you "lucky" kchunt. Hint. Congratulations?!? Feel free to wax eloquent,on the Sweet Satisfactions that are your's,in "living" vicariously. I'll happily fuel your very WELL founded Insecurities,with wares that simply exist. KungFu Northern Lite Ruger here,in 300 Whizzum. Hint. Keep your Drooling Day Dream Delusions rolling,despite it being your only fhuqking "move". Hint. Bless your poor poor(literally) heart for Crying,Trying,Whining and Lying. Hint. P.S. and by the way,I've not bought a 7-08,since 10 minutes ago. 'Nother Montucky. Hint. Fhuqking LAUGHING!.................... Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."

Re: 7-08 - 180 ELD's rickt300 #18671251 08/15/23
Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 8,091 Likes: 11 Michigan K KenMi Campfire Outfitter
KenMi Campfire Outfitter K Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 8,091 Likes: 11 Michigan	Originally Posted by rickt300 Originally Posted by Big Stick Originally Posted by rickt300 Originally Posted by Big Stick Rickety, You be sure to keep Pretending and espousing your GoogleFu aloud(though it's your only "move")...you "lucky" kchunt. Hint. Congratulations?!? Mechanics matter. Read that again. Now one more time. Hint. Bullets matter more than headstamps. Hint. A chambering can be no better than it's projectile. Hint. The 7-08's best pitch,is the 180 ELD. I shoot a "few". Hint. The 7-08AI's best pitch,is the 180 ELD. I shoot that too. Hint. The 84L's COAL confines are wayyyyyyyyyy too trite for a 280 and a 180,or anything else worth a fhuqk. Thus the Seven Times Fifty-Seven nudge,as that transition essentialy lengthens COAL .300". Hint. Ruger's are wayyyyyyyyyyy too short too. Hint. If/when you wish to schlep a L/A .284",you need the RPM,COAL and throat geometry to jive. That means 700 and I shoot a "few". Big Green 280's and 7mm RemMags will stabilize,Smooch and feed 180's in issued guise. Hint. You CLUELESS Drooling Retards are a fhuqking HOOT! Hint. Keep "living" vicariously,you sappy Brokedick Whining CLUELESS Fhuqk. Hint. Fhuqking LAUGHING!................ So if you are so smart why did you fool with the Ruger action? Sure if all I did was shoot from the bench single feeding rounds would be fine. Rickety, The Ruger Fascinations are your's and your Imagination and Pretend are taking you places,which don't exist...you "lucky" kchunt. Hint. Congratulations?!? If you shot at all,you simply wouldn't say ANY of the AMAZINGLY Fhuqking Stupid Schit you do. You'd do well,to simply take notes,apply same and connect the first dot of your "life". Read that again. Now one more time. Hint. Bless your poor poor(literally) heart,for your Brokedick Day Dreaming Delusions. Hint. Fhuqking LAUGHING!......................... You are losing it Stick. Lol. Brokestick never had it in the first place. Just pretended, lied, and BS'd a few. Few is the key word.

Re: 7-08 - 180 ELD's Higginez #18671575 08/15/23
Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 58,794 Likes: 63 Paradise,Alaska Big Stick Campfire Kahuna
Big Stick Campfire Kahuna Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 58,794 Likes: 63 Paradise,Alaska	It is fascinatingly HILARIOUS,that which is unfathomable for The Melting Snowflake Whining Brokedick Crowd,is simply blasse' for me...the "lucky" kchunts. Hint. Congratulations?!? Yet another Skookum Custom 280 180 ELD Launcher here.bottomost left. Hint. Fortunately for The Paper Hat Brigade,Imagination and Pretend are free,so even they can "afford" to "contribute" too. Hint. Fhuqking LAUGHING!......................... Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."

Re: 7-08 - 180 ELD's Higginez #18671771 08/15/23
Joined: Jul 2005 Posts: 23,537 Likes: 2 Alaska valley trash 7 79S Campfire Ranger
79S Campfire Ranger 7 Joined: Jul 2005 Posts: 23,537 Likes: 2 Alaska valley trash	Originally Posted by Higginez 6 Arc - 108 gr @ 2,600 fps .224 Valkyrie - 90 gr @ 2,600 fps .308 Win - 168 gr @ 2,600 fps Yeah, a 7-08 with a 180 @ 2,600 fps and a .796 G1 makes no sense to the 24HCF! Sheesh! Bryan Litz tested that bullet and the true bc is .703. Switch to bergers 180 hybrids and you will be happier.. no f class shooters I’m aware of are using Hornady’s. Originally Posted by Bricktop Then STFU. The rest of your statement is superflous bullshit with no real bearing on this discussion other than to massage your own ego. Suckin' on my titties like you wanted me.

Re: 7-08 - 180 ELD's Higginez #18671789 08/15/23
Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 58,794 Likes: 63 Paradise,Alaska Big Stick Campfire Kahuna
Big Stick Campfire Kahuna Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 58,794 Likes: 63 Paradise,Alaska	I've shot over 5000 of 'em,in over 20 rifles total and have never seen anything that soft,no matter the erector. Hint. Typical AE Dope on a new rifle,is within .1 Mil at 1K. Hint. Boogers can't even begin to hang. Hint. Fhuqking LAUGHING!.................. Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."

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