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There has been a lot of inane crap posted here but this post tops them all....
Dude... Why does someone feel the need to post a response like this?? if you don't like the subject, or the post's author, then pass it by... Why does one feel the need to think the rest of us need your negative opinion as part of the subject or thread??? I agree with you, several of us said so, so Bart took it to the hunters campfire first in a thread called "Canada" and then in another called "Why do we feed the trolls". Neither of these exactly worked out the way Bart planned, but I got tired of it, let the others carry the ball for a while and put him on ignore.
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There has been a lot of inane crap posted here but this post tops them all....
Dude... Why does someone feel the need to post a response like this?? if you don't like the subject, or the post's author, then pass it by... Why does one feel the need to think the rest of us need your negative opinion as part of the subject or thread??? The same reason you posted....There are some stupid people here... Martin....You are the reason I have a low opinion of Canyucks....
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There has been a lot of inane crap posted here but this post tops them all....
Dude... Why does someone feel the need to post a response like this?? if you don't like the subject, or the post's author, then pass it by... Why does one feel the need to think the rest of us need your negative opinion as part of the subject or thread??? I agree with you, several of us said so, so Bart took it to the hunters campfire first in a thread called "Canada" and then in another called "Why do we feed the trolls". Neither of these exactly worked out the way Bart planned, but I got tired of it, let the others carry the ball for a while and put him on ignore. Puzzy....
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+1 to what martinbns says. Smart man!
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I don't necessarily agree that the manuals are conservative. A lot of the data now has pressure listed beside the loads. Unless for some reason the manufacturers list a pressure and then arbitrarily reduce the load beside it, can't see how that is conservative. From comparing data with pressure numbers beside it to those that don't have pressure data listed, the powder charges & velocities are normally pretty close. I do see some variety for velocity listed with a given charge/pressure. For example one source may show a .270 load of 60 gr of H4831 barely giving 3000 fps at 52000 CUP (SAAMI limit) and another may show >3100 fps with same components & barrel length. My belief is just like our rifles, some pressure barrels can be slightly faster/slower than others and in effect make some load data look more conservative than others.
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I'll leave Jeff and Martin to fluff each other....
I'm going to go and kill [bleep].....
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Well Bart.. lets hope no one pisses in your cornflakes when you start your day tomorrow.. maybe you can show up and be less condescending to others...
And if you think other people are 'stupid'...
can I ask who set you up as the benchmark for intelligent??
or was it kind of a self appointed situation?
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I'll leave Jeff and Martin to fluff each other....
I'm going to go and kill [bleep]..... What'd you kill last time? 2 fifths, and a bird dog, wasn't it? Smitty of the North
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.....458 FlameThrower..... "Now 'dat right there is funny. If you don't think that's funny you better git on outta here."
By the way, in case you missed it, Jeremiah was a bullfrog.
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The older I get, the more "stuff" I've seen, the more conservative a handloader I've become. Exactly. This is why I finally settled on a larger capacity cartridge that will perform within my expectations and long since quit trying to stuff the case for velocity that was never there to start with. There is no substitute for cubic inches.
By the way, in case you missed it, Jeremiah was a bullfrog.
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Martin....
You are a small minded socialist...
You jumped in here for no other reason than to jab at me...
You suck....I hope that you treat your family and friends better than I think that you do... Like a mad man who takes a wild dog by the ears is one who passes by and meddles in strife not belonging to him.
By the way, in case you missed it, Jeremiah was a bullfrog.
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Martin....
You are a small minded socialist...
You jumped in here for no other reason than to jab at me...
You suck....I hope that you treat your family and friends better than I think that you do... Like a mad man who takes a wild dog by the ears is one who passes by and meddles in strife not belonging to him. is that a jab at me or Bart?
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Martin,
Really was not intended to be a jab at you. That verse simply came to mind when I read this thread. It reminded me how one can't seem to win when trying to be the good guy for the underdog. I have found over the years that it is hard to try to talk sensible with such individuals. Mainly because, the Scripture goes on to say: ...the fool either rages or laughs and there is no rest. I applaud your attempt to allay Bart's offense but the fools delight is not in understanding but only in expressing his own mind. All you're gonna accomplish is getting insults for yourself.
I probably will too now that I have written this. Straight up, I have no beef with you. I did think Bart was way outta line. I have always enjoyed your posts and as Lynyrd Skynyrd stated in Gimmee Three Steps: "....don't want no trouble witch'ew."
By the way, in case you missed it, Jeremiah was a bullfrog.
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Martin,
Really was not intended to be a jab at you. That verse simply came to mind when I read this thread. It reminded me how one can't seem to win when trying to be the good guy for the underdog. I have found over the years that it is hard to try to talk sensible with such individuals. Mainly because, the Scripture goes on to say: ...the fool either rages or laughs and there is no rest. I applaud your attempt to allay Bart's offense but the fools delight is not in understanding but only in expressing his own mind. All you're gonna accomplish is getting insults for yourself.
I probably will too now that I have written this. Straight up, I have no beef with you. I did think Bart was way outta line. I have always enjoyed your posts and as Lynyrd Skynyrd stated in Gimmee Three Steps: "....don't want no trouble witch'ew." that's cool I was just curious, I wasn't sure of your meaning. I left the latest two threads that this spawned alone.
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Smart man! :-)
People get grouchy this time of year... I know *I* do.
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Have reloading manuals become more cautious over the years as our society has become more litigious?
In other words, if one were to compare a WWII 30-06 reloading manual with a 21st century 30-06 reloading manual, would we see more conservative loads in the newer manual?
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30-06 is not a good example... many old military rifles were sporterized into 30-06's and reloading manuals have been cautious about them (I think?) forever...
However, interesting question. I've not been around long enough to know other than anecdotally- but weren't most calibers listed hotter in older manuals? I've heard that mentioned anyway. I only have modern-era manuals.
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Got tired of reading this thread pretty early on. One thing to say, Olsen, you're gonna blow your a$$ up....
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Why? As karma for starting this thread or something? I'm a very careful reloader...
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